Next Liberal leader

[Keepitsimple]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/canada/rogue-liberal-readies-leadership-bid-62194.html

That would be interesting....Boris is part of the Liberal Pro-Life clique - the one the media never talks about.

[Wild Bill]

That's a bit racist. As well if the party wants to remain in existence they'll likely move past the idea of only allowing a "frenchie" to be their next leader, especially seeing they don't have many to pick from.

I think you might be just a bit off the mark. No one is saying that the Liberals are racist and only pick French leaders. It only seems so because so often even their English leaders have come from Quebec. Even this is not fair evidence of bias, since for decades now the bulk of Liberal support has come first from Quebec and then from Ontario and the rest of English Canada. It would have made little sense to try to pick a suitable leader from the western half of the country when they had so few members from which to choose! The Liberals were really an Eastern only party for decades and not all of the east either! Central Canada with Ontario and Quebec is more like it. This despite their perennial claims to be a national party, implying the Tories and then Reform/Alliance were not!

The fact is that they have a long standing policy of alternating between French and English (or more properly, non-French) leaders. After Ignatieff it's the turn of someone from Quebec - as simple as that!

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I think you might be just a bit off the mark. No one is saying that the Liberals are racist and only pick French leaders. It only seems so because so often even their English leaders have come from Quebec. Even this is not fair evidence of bias, since for decades now the bulk of Liberal support has come first from Quebec and then from Ontario and the rest of English Canada. It would have made little sense to try to pick a suitable leader from the western half of the country when they had so few members from which to choose! The Liberals were really an Eastern only party for decades and not all of the east either! Central Canada with Ontario and Quebec is more like it. This despite their perennial claims to be a national party, implying the Tories and then Reform/Alliance were not!

The fact is that they have a long standing policy of alternating between French and English (or more properly, non-French) leaders. After Ignatieff it's the turn of someone from Quebec - as simple as that!

Trudeau, period.

[Newfoundlander]

I think you might be just a bit off the mark. No one is saying that the Liberals are racist and only pick French leaders. It only seems so because so often even their English leaders have come from Quebec. Even this is not fair evidence of bias, since for decades now the bulk of Liberal support has come first from Quebec and then from Ontario and the rest of English Canada. It would have made little sense to try to pick a suitable leader from the western half of the country when they had so few members from which to choose! The Liberals were really an Eastern only party for decades and not all of the east either! Central Canada with Ontario and Quebec is more like it. This despite their perennial claims to be a national party, implying the Tories and then Reform/Alliance were not!

The fact is that they have a long standing policy of alternating between French and English (or more properly, non-French) leaders. After Ignatieff it's the turn of someone from Quebec - as simple as that!

Look where that long standing "policy" has left the party. If they're going to keep up with stupid traditions like alternating between French and English leaders then the party is likely screwed.

[Wild Bill]

Look where that long standing "policy" has left the party. If they're going to keep up with stupid traditions like alternating between French and English leaders then the party is likely screwed.

We can only hope!

[William Ashley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto_Faculty_of_Lawhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto_Faculty_of_Law

somebody from uoft law born part francophone -has ties to the west mpntreal and atlantic canada

any contenders?

first nations blood even more a of a boon

any contenders or is that passe

here we go

Douglas Elliott is a founding partner in Roy Elliott Kim O'Connor LLP. He is certified as a Specialist in civil litigation. Douglas' practice is increasingly focused on class actions and claims against government. He has been involved in some of Canada's most significant class actions, as well as leading constitutional and health law issues.

From 1993 to 1997 Douglas represented the Canadian AIDS Society (CAS) before the Commission of Inquiry on the Blood System in Canada (the Krever Inquiry). He made the first of his many appearances in the Supreme Court representing CAS in its support of the Krever Inquiry in Canada v Canada (Krever Inquiry).

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Douglas was a member of the Ontario Consent and Capacity Board for 10 years. He also served as a director of the AIDS Committee of Toronto, a member of the Ontario Public Education Panel on AIDS, and a member on the National Task Force on AIDS and Injection Drug Use (representing the Canadian Bar Association). Douglas is a former member of the Science Advisory Board to Health Canada. He was founding co chair of the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Conference (SOGIC) of the Ontario Bar Association and Canadian Bar Association, and founding president of the International Lesbian and Gay Law Association. (ILGLaw) Currently, Douglas is on the board of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health Foundation and the Council of the Toronto Medico-Legal Society.

Douglas has received numerous awards of his legal work, including the Lawyer of the Year Award, presented by Advocacy Resource Centre for the Handicapped, the Community Service Award of the Metropolitan Community Church of Toronto, the Founders Award of the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, the SOGIC Hero Award of the Canadian Bar Association, the Distinguished Service Award of the Association of Lesbian and Gay Psychiatrists and the Leadership Award of the Canadian AIDS Society.

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A partner in the Toronto litigation boutique Roy Elliott O’Connor LLP, he received his BA from the University of Western Ontario in 1979 and his LLB from the University of Toronto in 1982. Mr. Elliott was called to the Bar in 1984, and certified as a Specialist in Civil Litigation in 2003. Mr. Elliott has been counsel in several significant class actions, including the hepatitis C cases Parsons v. Canada and McCarthy v. Canada, and the CPP same-sex survivor’s pensions case of Hislop v. Canada. Mr. Elliott represented the Canadian AIDS Society (CAS) at the Krever Inquiry into the blood system in Canada. He has appeared in a number of important constitutional cases in the Supreme Court of Canada, including Vriend v. Alberta, Latimer v. The Queen, Little Sisters Bookstore v. Canada, M. v. H., Charkaoui v. The Queen and the Same-Sex Marriage Reference. The Law Society awarded Mr. Elliott its highest honour, the Law Society Medal, in 2010.

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I think he is the guy on the left

http://www.reolaw.ca/lawyersElliott.html

Edited October 3, 2011 by William Ashley

[Newfoundlander]

David McGuinty may stand a better chance now that Dalton has been reelected in Ontario.

[Newfoundlander]

Well Trudeau is out.

[cybercoma]

Trudeau doesn't need to put himself out there like that yet. His time will come, but much, much later. I would say at least 15 years from now.

[Newfoundlander]

Trudeau doesn't need to put himself out there like that yet. His time will come, but much, much later. I would say at least 15 years from now.

Trudeau is far from leadership material yet anyways.

[Newfoundlander]

Does anyone know much about Massimo Pacetti?

[Newfoundlander]

Does anyone know much about Massimo Pacetti?

[Newfoundlander]

Double post.

[guyser]

Does anyone know much about Massimo Pacetti?

Mr and Mrs Pacetti know plenty.

[Newfoundlander]

Mr and Mrs Pacetti know plenty.

Wow you're a funny guy.

[Newfoundlander]

So Marc Garneau, David McGuinty, Martin Cauchon, Mark Holland and Gerard Kennedy have all indicated interest in the leadership of the party. The way Liberals have been getting off over Bob Rae's defense of his term as the NDP premier of Ontario I don't know what chance any of these people have of beating Rae.

[cybercoma]

The rules will be changed and Rae will be leader. He has been quite effective at holding the Conservatives accountable and keeping his name in the media, unlike Nycole Turmel. I'm not sure if this is part and parcel to the media ignoring the NDP out of habit or not though.

[Newfoundlander]

There are no rules banning Rae from running for the leadership, he'd just have to go back on his word that he'd not run.

Edited January 16, 2012 by Newfoundlander

[capricorn]

The way Liberals have been getting off over Bob Rae's defense of his term as the NDP premier of Ontario I don't know what chance any of these people have of beating Rae.

Rae would have had an easier time in influencing the rules for the leadership race to be adopted by the party brass if Copps had become Lib president. She lost narrowly to Mike Crawley.

Rae, who was in 2006 the champion of the Chretien wing, could surely have expected kinder treatment from Copps than Crawley, but when they counted the votes on Sunday, after three recounts, the (unofficial) results were: Crawley 1,096, Copps 1,070, Ron Hartling 510, Alexandra Mendes 247.

As a result, Crawley will choose the date of Rae’s departure, likely sooner rather than later, and the party will need a new interim leader while Rae and somebody else fight for the beanbag.

So far, Marc Garneau and David McGuinty have expressed interest.

Garneau is a great Canadian but Liberals don’t think he has the political chops for the job.

McGuinty could benefit from his brother Dalton’s powerful, well-financed machine.

Some doubt that McGuinty really wants the job, and suspect he spontaneously announced his interest this weekend because it was starting to look too easy for Rae. If that’s true, he’s a placeholder until the Toronto machine finds a candidate we can call Anybody But Rae.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Maher%2BLiberal%2Bparty%2Bstarting%2Bresemble/5999517/story.html

Interesting to note that Crawley built up and sold a company invested in windmills in Ontario. How much money did Crawley's firm receive in green energy grants and subsidies from the Ontario Liberal government for this venture? Also interesting is that Crawley was head of the Ontario wing of the federal Liberals. Smacks of Liberals helping Liberals.

Crawley's day job as chief of International Power Canada poses a significant risk to the Liberal Party and makes his calls for grassroots inclusion ring hollow. The "start-up renewable power company" Crawley boosts of having built up and sold to a foreign multi-national has had a devastating impact on Ontario residents who are forced to live in the shadow of Crawley's work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/john-laforet/liberal-convention_b_1203438.html

The convention decided to form a new category of Liberals termed "supporters" and they will be allowed to vote for the permanent leader. With Rae's name on the ballot, name recognition alone would assure his victory. So I would conclude, Rae is the Liberal party and the Liberal party is Rae. And there's not a darn thing Crawley can do about it, except create a few extra loops that Rae has to jump through before the finish line.

[capricorn]

The rules will be changed and Rae will be leader.

Of course. All that is required is to rule that Rae has to step down as interim leader once he announces his candidacy. Rae can then announce his intention at the very last minute prior to the leadership vote and step down from the interim role.

[capricorn]

There are no rules banning Rae from running for the leadership, he'd just have to go back on his word that he'd not run.

For the good of the party.

[cybercoma]

There are no rules banning Rae from running for the leadership, he'd just have to go back on his word that he'd not run.

I can't remember where I read it, but someone was saying his words were slippery on this one. If they ask him to be leader, he won't deny it... allegedly.

[Newfoundlander]

Of course. All that is required is to rule that Rae has to step down as interim leader once he announces his candidacy. Rae can then announce his intention at the very last minute prior to the leadership vote and step down from the interim role.

Not really, the former president has already said that he would, or should, have to step down 6 months prior to the vote and it is thought he will be under pressure to step down in the very near future if he plans to run. It will be up to the executive when he steps down, they may decide he needs to step down a year or 9 months in advance of the vote. It won't matter when he publicly announces his decision if the party already has rules stating that the interim leader must step down by such a date to be eligible.

[Newfoundlander]

There are more calls for Justin Trudeau to reconsider his earlier decision to not run for the leadership. One poll conducted late last month showed that if he ran against Harper and Brian Topp in election there'd be almost a three way split in the vote with the Harper Conservatives a few points ahead of the Trudeau Liberals and the Topp NDP a few points behind the Liberals. Trudeau is likely the only person at this moment who could defeat Rae, I don't know who'd be scarier.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/16/john-ivison-justin-needs-more-than-a-moustache-to-qualify-as-a-leader/

[capricorn]

It will be up to the executive when he steps down, they may decide he needs to step down a year or 9 months in advance of the vote.

Their stated intent is to hold the vote sometime between March and June 2013. That's 14 to 17 months away. I don't see the executive removing Rae too quickly out of the interim job. There's no disputing he's doing a good job holding the Conservatives to account. I am doubtful another interim leader would be as effective in that respect because the best of the Liberal front bench would be declared candidates.

Let's not forget that the new pres Mike Crawley has the task of crafting the rules for the leadership race, to be approved by the executive. Crawley's approach depends somewhat on whether he wants to give advantage to any other candidate. If so, the sooner Rae is punted from the interim job the better chance some other candidate has to raise his/her own profile for the job through campaigning for the leadership.

It won't matter when he publicly announces his decision if the party already has rules stating that the interim leader must step down by such a date to be eligible.

In a way, when he makes his decision public does matter.

The longer Rae remains interim leader, the more he solidifies his grip on the leadership, if he wants it. IOW, actually being in the job is akin to campaigning. He gets to do both simultaneously. Rae can't declare his intentions yet. If he says he's running, he must relinquish the interimship immediately. If he says he's not running and changes his mind later he'll be called a liar and two-faced. He's in a catch 22 and the media will continue to hound him for an answer. All he can do is coast and waffle until the rules are formulated and announced.