scouterjim Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 No, the politically correct thing to do is to OVER REACT and act like this is the end of the Canadian Military and that now we will be having tea parties with our enemies. Camomile or earl gray? If the NDP ever has its way, the Canadian military WILL vanish because soldiers are evil. After all, if somebody wants to attack Canada, that is their right. Who are we to deny them that right? Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Molly Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Paul Martin sure appreciated it in 2005 when Milliken became the only speaker in Canadian history to save a government from a confidence vote. No bias. Riiiiigggghhht. Speaker votes to maintain the status quo. He didn't get to choose his own vote. Cripes! Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
fellowtraveller Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 I geuss Canadians never really liked the Old Canada right just a bunch of people who were fakes to an idea of a free democratic Canada that valued individuals and rights of individuals against state overlordship? By Old Canada, did you mean 13 years of Chretien goosestepping through the Commons? Quote The government should do something.
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 By Old Canada, did you mean 13 years of Chretien goosestepping through the Commons? Goodwin's Law... A little over the top,chief... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
no1ninja Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) If the NDP ever has its way, the Canadian military WILL vanish because soldiers are evil. After all, if somebody wants to attack Canada, that is their right. Who are we to deny them that right? LOL, you really have been spending a lot of time on the carousel. Don't let the spin make you post extremist remarks. I have never heard anyone in the NDP call our soldiers evil, I see you doing it. Are you the NDP spokesman? Just because certain pitch men who are close to the Harper government will not get greased, does not mean opposition does not care about the military. For one, is this the best way to spend our money? Is this F35 going to make life better for the recruit on the ground? How much better over an F18? Maybe we should spend that money directly on the soldier rather, than pork to please our neighbours downs south? How much of this is political pork? Edited March 25, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
scouterjim Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 LOL, you really have been spending a lot of time on the carousel. Don't let the spin make you post extremist remarks. I have never heard anyone in the NDP call our soldiers evil, I see you doing it. Are you the NDP spokesman? Just because certain pitch men who are close to the Harper government will not get greased, does not mean opposition does not care about the military. For one, is this the best way to spend our money? Is this F35 going to make life better for the recruit on the ground? How much better over an F18? Maybe we should spend that money directly on the soldier rather, than pork to please our neighbours downs south? How much of this is political pork? The F-18's are getting old. they are starting to show their age. If the NDP have their way, we will keep them until they get like Sea King helicopters, and just keep patching them up even though they are garbage. Gotta spend that money on welfare, ya know. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 From the CBC website: http://www.bbcshop.com/bin/venda?ex=co_disp-view&bsref=bbc&stry=dvdregionalcoding "Conservative MPs on the opposition-dominated committee did not support the contempt finding and issued a dissenting report." Well of course they didn't. If they did, they would have been thrown out of the Tory caucus. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 The Speaker. You mean Liberal MP Peter Milliken? Are you suggesting that he's not biased? And here we have more demonstration of Tory contempt for Parliament. The office of the Speaker of the House has a long tradition for remaining unbiased. Milliken's rulings, if you have ever read them (which I doubt you have, I've noticed a profound lack of curiosity among the politicos around these parts, almost as if they don't want to know) cite considerable precedent. If you have issue with the specifics of any of the Speaker's rulings, by all means let's debate them. But blanket slander, why, that's just dishonesty and partisanship at its worst. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 There is no defense and no story whatsoever other than political bias, because there's nothing to the accusation, let alone the finding. Interesting. So you're argument is that our constitution contains some notion of executive privilege? That would bring you into direct contradiction with the Parliamentary Law Clerk, who told the committee not even cabinet confidences can be kept from Parliament if it demands them. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 The Con-DMCA will die (Harper's anti-consumer copy right bill) Variants on this bill have been around since the Martin minority, and, in fact, while I still find the Tory bill an awful warping of the intentions of copyright in favor of big media companies, even the likes of Dr. Michael Geist (the guy a National Post columnist once called a Trotskyite) said that it's better than any of the iterations. Quote
Bryan Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Interesting. So you're argument is that our constitution contains some notion of executive privilege? Do you ever make an argument that isn't a strawman? Quote
Molly Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) No point Edited March 26, 2011 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Smallc Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Do you ever make an argument that isn't a strawman? I notice that you didn't address Molly's point in relation to the fact that the Speaker of the House always votes to continue debate. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 If they can vote with peace of mind knowing that a totally corrupt force will reign unchecked for atleast five years (and whatever is left of Canada after that..) well that is their vote. It is... a de-mockracy Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Do you ever make an argument that isn't a strawman? No, my argument is that you can't have it both ways. If you feel there was no contempt, then you accept that the government has the right to withhold documents from Parliament. Quote
no1ninja Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 The F-18's are getting old. they are starting to show their age. If the NDP have their way, we will keep them until they get like Sea King helicopters, and just keep patching them up even though they are garbage. Gotta spend that money on welfare, ya know. Honestly, piloted planes are a thing of the past. The US is building up their capabilities with unmanned craft and that is where the technology is headed. No one dogfights anymore, Top Gun are days of the past. That tech gets knocked down with cpu's faster than a pilot can respond. Quote
scouterjim Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Honestly, piloted planes are a thing of the past. The US is building up their capabilities with unmanned craft and that is where the technology is headed. No one dogfights anymore, Top Gun are days of the past. That tech gets knocked down with cpu's faster than a pilot can respond. Until our nation achieves that standing, new aircraft are needed. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Battletoads Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Variants on this bill have been around since the Martin minority, and, in fact, while I still find the Tory bill an awful warping of the intentions of copyright in favor of big media companies, even the likes of Dr. Michael Geist (the guy a National Post columnist once called a Trotskyite) said that it's better than any of the iterations. But still much worse than the current laws. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
TimG Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Honestly, piloted planes are a thing of the past. The US is building up their capabilities with unmanned craft and that is where the technology is headed. No one dogfights anymore, Top Gun are days of the past. That tech gets knocked down with cpu's faster than a pilot can respond. Does that mean you are ok with the government spending $35 billion on drones? Because if you think drones are cheap you are deluding yourself. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 27, 2011 Report Posted March 27, 2011 Does that mean you are ok with the government spending $35 billion on drones? Because if you think drones are cheap you are deluding yourself. And if he thinks they're a replacement for a fighter jet, he's living in la-la land. Quote
scouterjim Posted March 27, 2011 Report Posted March 27, 2011 And if he thinks they're a replacement for a fighter jet, he's living in la-la land. But...but... but...look at all the money for welfare if the military is done away with. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Jack Weber Posted March 27, 2011 Report Posted March 27, 2011 But...but... but...look at all the money for welfare if the military is done away with. The last I looked welfare is aprovincial responsibility... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
no1ninja Posted March 27, 2011 Report Posted March 27, 2011 And if he thinks they're a replacement for a fighter jet, he's living in la-la land. They will be. The human body is a limiting factor. It is where everything is heading. Quote
no1ninja Posted March 27, 2011 Report Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) But...but... but...look at all the money for welfare if the military is done away with. What is with you and the drama? All your points are such extremes, its almost like you are too scared to add anything of substance. Never taken welfare in my life, even when I was down and out, I was too proud to. I have no problem with others doing it if they need it. ...and yes, if we don't buy this guinea pig technology, we will have that money to spend on other things, like maybe our debt or even the navy which we need far more than these silly jets. Edited March 27, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
William Ashley Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Posted March 28, 2011 The speaker was correct in accepting the majority decision of a parliamentary committee. Despite the fact the parliamentary committee was a bunch of partisan hacks. The Conservatives lied to the public, they lied to parliament, they misled them - that is contempt of the institution, in Justice it is called obstruction, in regular life it is called compulsive disorder. They were wrong, don't try to defend them because you just make yourself look like a moron in the process. Quote I was here.
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