William Ashley Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) This is not a complaint 1. term limits for senators (constitutional issue parliament should not mess with the senate it is a constitutional issue not a federal one alone.) 2. abolishing pardons for serious crimes (if they don't deserve a pardon don't give one not every serious crime is a life disease or even intentional - or actually commited.) What other bills may die? What bills will make it through tomorrow? Edited March 25, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
ToadBrother Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 This is not a complaint 1. term limits for senators (constitutional issue parliament should not mess with the senate it is a constitutional issue not a federal one alone.) This one was unconstitutional anyways. Altering the Senate requires the consent of the Provinces. That bill was just for show. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Just remember majorities are up to 5 years long (with no budget votes, no elections due to scandal)... with no opposition, no bargaining... - the senate is non elected but majority Conservative as such all bills will pass if whiping is held... meaning the full agenda will be able to be pushed with no resistance. The courts will be taken over, all federal agencies etc.. and they are HIGHLY partisan. I hope Canadians understand what this means.. Canadians deserve what they get. If they can vote with peace of mind knowing that a totally corrupt force will reign unchecked for atleast five years (and whatever is left of Canada after that..) well that is their vote. I geuss Canadians never really liked the Old Canada right just a bunch of people who were fakes to an idea of a free democratic Canada that valued individuals and rights of individuals against state overlordship? No need to buy votes or support after this. The election is badly needed, the only prospect of a Tory Majority is one where Canada has died. This after the first case of contempt in Canadian History (for the government itself). Edited March 25, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
ToadBrother Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Just remember majorities are up to 5 years long (with no budget votes, no elections due to scandal)... with no opposition, no bargaining... - the senate is non elected but majority Conservative as such all bills will pass if whiping is held... meaning the full agenda will be able to be pushed with no resistance. The courts will be taken over, all federal agencies etc.. and they are HIGHLY partisan. I hope Canadians understand what this means.. Canadians deserve what they get. If they can vote with peace of mind knowing that a totally corrupt force will reign unchecked for atleast five years (and whatever is left of Canada after that..) well that is their vote. I geuss Canadians never really liked the Old Canada right just a bunch of people who were fakes to an idea of a free democratic Canada that valued individuals and rights of individuals against state overlordship? No need to buy votes or support after this. In other words, back to our regularly scheduled programming. Quote
Bryan Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Just remember majorities are up to 5 years long (with no budget votes, no elections due to scandal)... with no opposition, no bargaining... - the senate is non elected but majority Conservative as such all bills will pass if whiping is held... meaning the full agenda will be able to be pushed with no resistance. The courts will be taken over, all federal agencies etc. I hope you're right. All the more reason to vote Conservative. Quote
Battletoads Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) The Con-DMCA will die (Harper's anti-consumer copy right bill) Edited March 25, 2011 by Battletoads Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
RNG Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 I'm not that happy with the CPC but that contempt charge comes from such a biased source that it is a joke. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 I'm not that happy with the CPC but that contempt charge comes from such a biased source that it is a joke. Speaker Milliken is a biased source??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
RNG Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Speaker Milliken is a biased source??? From the CBC website: http://www.bbcshop.com/bin/venda?ex=co_disp-view&bsref=bbc&stry=dvdregionalcoding "Conservative MPs on the opposition-dominated committee did not support the contempt finding and issued a dissenting report." Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 From the CBC website: http://www.bbcshop.com/bin/venda?ex=co_disp-view&bsref=bbc&stry=dvdregionalcoding "Conservative MPs on the opposition-dominated committee did not support the contempt finding and issued a dissenting report." Of course they did'nt support it because it would be an admission of guilt. Frankly,it does'nt matter because the contempt charge is'nt up for debate. The speaker found there to be a prima facie case for contempt.. In other words,basically irrefutable evidence of contempt... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
RNG Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Of course they did'nt support it because it would be an admission of guilt. Frankly,it does'nt matter because the contempt charge is'nt up for debate. The speaker found there to be a prima facie case for contempt.. In other words,basically irrefutable evidence of contempt... What part of "opposition dominated committee" don't you understand? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 What part of "opposition dominated committee" don't you understand? I understand it all fine...That's the nature of a minority parliament. Are you suggesting The Speaker was wrong in his decision?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
RNG Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 I understand it all fine...That's the nature of a minority parliament. Are you suggesting The Speaker was wrong in his decision?? The speaker was correct in accepting the majority decision of a parliamentary committee. Despite the fact the parliamentary committee was a bunch of partisan hacks. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Jack Weber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 The speaker was correct in accepting the majority decision of a parliamentary committee. Despite the fact the parliamentary committee was a bunch of partisan hacks. You don't understand... The Speaker found evidence of a prima facie case of contempt BEFORE it went to committee... Are suggesting he was wrong?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
SF/PF Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 The speaker was correct in accepting the majority decision of a parliamentary committee. Despite the fact the parliamentary committee was a bunch of partisan hacks. Are the Conservative MP's that released the dissenting opinion a bunch of partisan hacks too, or are they noble defenders of the truth? Quote Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
Bryan Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 You don't understand... The Speaker found evidence of a prima facie case of contempt BEFORE it went to committee... Are suggesting he was wrong?? The Speaker. You mean Liberal MP Peter Milliken? Are you suggesting that he's not biased? Quote
SF/PF Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 The Speaker. You mean Liberal MP Peter Milliken? Are you suggesting that he's not biased? So lets hear a compelling defense against the contempt charge that isn't based on political bias. It should be pretty easy, seeing as this is all the result of party hacks and a Liberal speaker.. Quote Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
Bryan Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 So lets hear a compelling defense against the contempt charge that isn't based on political bias. It should be pretty easy, seeing as this is all the result of party hacks and a Liberal speaker.. There is no defense and no story whatsoever other than political bias, because there's nothing to the accusation, let alone the finding. Quote
Molly Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) And those of us who turned away from the Conservatives in utter disgust at that contempt, years before anyone asked the speaker about it or pointed out specific acts of contempt with respect to finances ands information-sharing ... we were just secretly biased sleepers working undercover as conservatives for all those years? Right. Edited March 25, 2011 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Shakeyhands Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 The Speaker. You mean Liberal MP Peter Milliken? Are you suggesting that he's not biased? Yes. Milliken has done an extraordinary job as Speaker and has never shown an iota of bias. For you to accuse him of bias is gutter scraping. But again, gutter scraping is what the CPC does best. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
SF/PF Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 There is no defense and no story whatsoever other than political bias, because there's nothing to the accusation, let alone the finding. So in your view, government does not answer to parliament? Quote Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
scouterjim Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 This is not a complaint 1. term limits for senators (constitutional issue parliament should not mess with the senate it is a constitutional issue not a federal one alone.) 2. abolishing pardons for serious crimes (if they don't deserve a pardon don't give one not every serious crime is a life disease or even intentional - or actually commited.) What other bills may die? What bills will make it through tomorrow? Not a bill, but the purchase of the new jets (and ANY improvement for the military) will vanish under a Liberal/NDP coalition. After all, we should show our enemies that we love them, and invite them to tea. That is the politically correct thing to do. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Bryan Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Yes. Milliken has done an extraordinary job as Speaker and has never shown an iota of bias. For you to accuse him of bias is gutter scraping. Paul Martin sure appreciated it in 2005 when Milliken became the only speaker in Canadian history to save a government from a confidence vote. No bias. Riiiiigggghhht. Quote
no1ninja Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Not a bill, but the purchase of the new jets (and ANY improvement for the military) will vanish under a Liberal/NDP coalition. After all, we should show our enemies that we love them, and invite them to tea. That is the politically correct thing to do. No, the politically correct thing to do is to OVER REACT and act like this is the end of the Canadian Military and that now we will be having tea parties with our enemies. Camomile or earl gray? Edited March 25, 2011 by no1ninja Quote
RNG Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Are the Conservative MP's that released the dissenting opinion a bunch of partisan hacks too, or are they noble defenders of the truth? They're partisan hacks too, just there were way fewer of them. It appears that we are moving closer and closer to the US model where partisanship overwhelms good governance and logic. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
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