Saipan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 No one's going to blow you up. No need to live in shivering terror of evil foreigners all the time. But Allan Rock and Wendy Cukier believe duck hunters could Quote
bloodyminded Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 But Allan Rock and Wendy Cukier believe duck hunters could Then you three can go live in unreasoning fear, and the rest of us won't worry so much. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 BS That is the perfect post on why this country is so fucked up.''we may not agree with another cultures practices but we still have to respect their beliefs regardless how abhorrent'' that line right there, just shows how fucked the so called sophisticated masse are. We don't need to do nothing but these people need to show us canadians respect when they enter our country, not the other way around. Just burns my butt when idiots in this country just bend over and take it and never say a word to the almighty immigrant., Come one come all and change this great country into a 3rd world country and us taxpayers will just put up with it and even pay for it. Lowell green's book mayday mayday should be read by every canadian ,if you are not afraid of the truth and see what is really going on in canada. So I take it you have no problem with honour killings, genital mutilation , forced marriages. Because it is going on big time in this country. Did you know that in BC chinese can not find out what their child is till after 21 weeks , so if it is a girl they can't abort it. How ugly is that ,that they had to make a law to protect them. God I wish people would take off the blinders and find out what uis really going on. ...thanks for demonstrating my point...the uneducated need to stay out of politics...maybe you spend some time down at the legion with Mr Canada... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
guyser Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 BS That is the perfect post on why this country is so fucked up.''we may not agree with another cultures practices but we still have to respect their beliefs regardless how abhorrent'' that line right there, just shows how fucked the so called sophisticated masse are. A couple of things. Respect for ones cultural practices and/or beliefs is not the same as saying you like them. One can respect that they exist , but dont like them at all. I bet you respect the sacrilige of a cow in India , yet you dont (in India ta least) yell out how F'in stupid it is when people are starving. And really...this country is fucked up? I just can t understand hyperbole. We arent F'd up, and in fact it s a fine country. We don't need to do nothing but these people need to show us canadians respect when they enter our country, not the other way around. You want them to wash your windshield at stop lights or something? I think they need to show Canada respect , Canadians be damned since plenty of them think rather poor thoughts of them. Just burns my butt when idiots in this country just bend over and take it and never say a word to the almighty immigrant., Butt , bend over and take it.....I dont know, is there something we need to know? You just said 50 words to the almighty immigrant.....has the world caved in? Come one come all and change this great country into a 3rd world country and us taxpayers will just put up with it and even pay for it. Lowell green's book mayday mayday should be read by every canadian ,if you are not afraid of the truth and see what is really going on in canada. So I take it you have no problem with honour killings, genital mutilation , forced marriages. Because it is going on big time in this country. Did you know that in BC chinese can not find out what their child is till after 21 weeks , so if it is a girl they can't abort it. How ugly is that ,that they had to make a law to protect them. God I wish people would take off the blinders and find out what uis really going on. First off, it aint a third world country and we are in no way shape or form moving nearer that. Secondly, the truth in Canada is that honour killings, genital mutilation, forced marriages are on the extreme low end bordering on non-existent in this country. But not to worry Kemosabe, the Criminal COde still works all for except those pesky forced marriages. Which when one thinks about it, theres probably more born and bred 4th generation Canucks in forced marriages than there are immigrants. So much for that line of thought. Quote
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 WHY? So they have easier time to blow us up? your beliefs are completely abhorrent to most canadians are you going to blow us up?... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 So eveybody can have a culture but english canadians? I dunno, do English Canadians have a culture? If they do, they can... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Trudeau as much as it's disturbs the unsophisticated masses was correct...we need to be culturally sensitive, we may not agree with another cultures practices but we still have to respect their beliefs regardless how abhorrent they are to us. No, actually, we don't. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 “My problem with the use of the word barbaric is that it was chosen to reassure Canadians rather than actually change unacceptable behaviours,” he said. “I suggested 'totally unacceptable' off the top of my head. Clear, strong, and objective, without being 'us civilized, you not.'“ As I said before, I totally agree with Trudeau, and think that he's right on the mark, culture is culture, killing is killing, why mix up the two? My company says accessing or emailing pornography is totally unacceptable. I think murdering little girls ought to be several dozen orders of magnitude above that. It is barbaric to kill anyone under any circumstance,Like, so, if some ignorant yokel from some backward religious culture is trying to murder you it's barbaric to kill him? You need to rethink that. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 My company says accessing or emailing pornography is totally unacceptable. I think murdering little girls ought to be several dozen orders of magnitude above that. , Like, so, if some ignorant yokel from some backward religious culture is trying to murder you it's barbaric to kill him? You need to rethink that. Nope, don't need to rethink a thing... I deal with "problems" as I come across them so I'll worry about the "yokel" you describe if I ever come across one... Why don't you go out and arrest every Jew you can find with a "citizens arrest", after all they mutilate all their male baby's genitals don't they? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) A couple of things. Respect for ones cultural practices and/or beliefs is not the same as saying you like them. One can respect that they exist , but dont like them at all. I'm not sure why you think we ought to, or in some way ought to feel ourselves required to respect something we might find abhorrent, disgusting or depraved. I don't feel myself bound in any way to respect cultural practices I consider backward, violent and barbaric. Hell, I don't feel myself bound to respect practices I simply consider dumb! And in this case we're talking about murder as a 'cultural practice'. The belief we ought to somehow respect that is simply something I don't understand. Can I say "I respect your belief, my friend" and then put a bullet in their face for trying to practice that belief? Because this is a 'cultural practice' which any Canadian is legally permitted to prevent by any means up to and including killing the person trying to carry it out. Edited March 15, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I dunno, do English Canadians have a culture? If they do, they can... it's ok for us average canadians to call other cultures barbaric because we don't matter, they don't care what we think just as we don't care what they think of us...but I would think it would be obvious to even the stupidest among us calling someone names and expecting a positive response from them isn't going to happen...for our elected officials to use inflammatory rhetoric even if true isn't smart...imagine Harper saying to the president of Iran in meeting..."You're a barbarian you need to change your barbaric culture and religion in regards to women." the response would be something like "Fuck you infidel pig and your whore nation!"...ya name calling is great for diplomacy... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Saipan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 your beliefs are completely abhorrent to most canadians are you going to blow us up?... WHY? Quote
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 No, actually, we don't. ya if want any hope of influencing them you do... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Nope, don't need to rethink a thing... I deal with "problems" as I come across them so I'll worry about the "yokel" you describe if I ever come across one... Well then, why are you even on this thread talking about the need to respect that yokel? Why don't you go out and arrest every Jew you can find with a "citizens arrest", after all they mutilate all their male baby's genitals don't they? Most people in Canada have their sons circumcised. I'm not quite sure in what strange synaptic meltdown you decided that was the equivalent to murdering young women, though. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 ya if want any hope of influencing them you do... I think that we can influence them by many ways. I certainly think telling them Canadians consider this practice to be barbaric conveys the depths of our repugnance at not only anyone carrying out such a crime but at anyone who would support the carrying out of such a crime. It conveys the level of our intolerance for that sort of ignorant, backward thinking, not merely to the perpetrators, but to members of certain communities. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Saipan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 for our elected officials to use inflammatory rhetoric even if true isn't smart... The devil is in the details. What is "inflamatory rhetoric"? Quote
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 And in this case we're talking about murder as a 'cultural practice'. The belief we ought to somehow respect that is simply something I don't understand. I don't believe you...are you claiming that you're not aware when visiting foreign countries you are expected follow their laws and respect their customs?...we don't care that foreigners visiting here may not like our laws and customs but we still expect them to be obeyed even if they think we behave like barbarians... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 it's ok for us average canadians to call other cultures barbaric because we don't matter, they don't care what we think just as we don't care what they think of us...but I would think it would be obvious to even the stupidest among us calling someone names and expecting a positive response from them isn't going to happen...for our elected officials to use inflammatory rhetoric even if true isn't smart... These people are trying to get into Canada, trying to become citizens, to stay here, because life is better here. If they find our abhorrence of their backward cultural practices to be insulting they are MORE than free to pick up and get the hell out. Frankly, I wouldn't want anyone in Canada who is insulted by that. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The devil is in the details. What is "inflamatory rhetoric"? buy a dictionary... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Scotty Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I don't believe you...are you claiming that you're not aware when visiting foreign countries you are expected follow their laws and respect their customs?. First of all, I don't visit primitive places, nor have I the desire to do so. Second, murder is against the law in every country of the world. It's just that in some of them, women are of such little importance, and corruption so endemic, that nothing it done to the killers of women except when their families push hard for it. And if the families themselves kill them, well, nobody else is going to care. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 These people are trying to get into Canada, trying to become citizens, to stay here, because life is better here. If they find our abhorrence of their backward cultural practices to be insulting they are MORE than free to pick up and get the hell out. Frankly, I wouldn't want anyone in Canada who is insulted by that. are women being stoned in Canada?...the issue is using acceptable diplomatic language at government levels not any xenophobic anti immigration beliefs you may hold... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 First of all, I don't visit primitive places, nor have I the desire to do so. Second, murder is against the law in every country of the world. It's just that in some of them, women are of such little importance, and corruption so endemic, that nothing it done to the killers of women except when their families push hard for it. And if the families themselves kill them, well, nobody else is going to care. primitive? there is no such thing actually...each society is equally developed in it's own way there is no universally "correct" cultural behaviour... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
guyser Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I'm not sure why you think we ought to, or in some way ought to feel ourselves required to respect something we might find abhorrent, disgusting or depraved. I don't feel myself bound in any way to respect cultural practices I consider backward, violent and barbaric. Hell, I don't feel myself bound to respect practices I simply consider dumb! I didnmt say you need to like it. And in this case we're talking about murder as a 'cultural practice'. The belief we ought to somehow respect that is simply something I don't understand. It is how things are in some parts and some uber -religious areas. Not in Canada. Can I say "I respect your belief, my friend" and then put a bullet in their face for trying to practice that belief? Because this is a 'cultural practice' which any Canadian is legally permitted to prevent by any means up to and including killing the person trying to carry it out. uh no. Well, you could say it, but you'll be sharing a cell with them, and wont that be fun. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 ...as much as we all agree it's barbaric when you're trying to influence the practices of another culture calling them barbaric is counter productive... I am pretty sure we are not obliged to respect murder, misogynistic murder or any practice that offends the common notions of decency and civilized behaviour. I think it is entirely appropriate an influence on the practice top categorically state that barbarism is not welcome and neither are the practitioners. It is also a stretch that others of that culture do not find the practice of murdering young womem offensive and would be offended by calling a spade a spade. In defending (or seeming to defend) the most barbaric of so-called “honor killings” (in this case the burying alive of three young girls) Senators Israrullah Zehri and Jan Mohammad Jamali have not only shamed the Senate and all of Pakistan, they are in fact abusing and shaming the culture and traditions of all Baloch. They are conflating criminality with culture. http://pakistaniat.com/2008/08/30/honor-honour-killing-pakistan/ Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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