GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 The simplest solution, long advocated, would be to make compensation a matter for the shareholders, and to make it illegal for officers or executives in the company for holding voting stock. We will see the polar caps melt before that kind of thing happens. Quote
GWiz Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) We will see the polar caps melt before that kind of thing happens. This is true... Polar ice caps melting... But only if one can't understand the difference of it happening over tens of thousands of years vs a few decades (which has NOT happened before)... Therein lies the difference that mankind has made possible... Edited March 21, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
WIP Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Anti-nuclear advocates are deperately trying to spin this event to suit positions they have taken all a long. The fact is the event should increase our confidence in the safety of nuclear power because despite multiple disasters and cascading failures the operators were able to get the plant under control. Seriously! The Government there has been downplaying the risks since problems first began after the tsunami. Past radiation leaks and mishaps have been covered up also, but pro-nuke advocates say we should believe them now. Underlining the dangers, however, smoke rose briefly from two damaged reactors, forcing workers to evacuate for a while. Away from the plant, mounting evidence of radiation in vegetables, water and milk spread jitters among Japanese and abroad despite officials' assurances levels were not dangerous. The operator of the stricken plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company, said a small trace of radiation had been found in the Pacific sea waters nearby, but said levels were very low and posed no immediate danger. "It's a lot more serious than anybody thought in the early days when we thought that this kind of problem can be limited to 20 to 30 kilometers," Peter Cordingley, spokesman for the World Health Organisation's (WHO) regional office, told Reuters. "It's safe to suppose that some contaminated produce got out of the contamination zone." http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110321 Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 This is true... Polar ice caps melting... But only if one can't understand the difference of it happening over tens of thousands of years vs a few decades (which has NOT happened before)... Therein lies the difference that mankind has made possible... We won't see the polar caps melt in our lifetimes or ever (as far as I am concerned which means that government won't change either) But I digress, we got many threads on that subject. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Seriously! The Government there has been downplaying the risks since problems first began after the tsunami. Past radiation leaks and mishaps have been covered up also, but pro-nuke advocates say we should believe them now. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. Eventually things will be found out, but it could take years before there is any real admission there was a huge problem. Which anyone with some limited critical thinking capacity, understood right from the start that this was a huge issue. And as of today, Over 8000 dead. with 16,000 still missing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/japan.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2 Some posters were saying that they would be surprised if the death toll went past a thousand. And I am really surprised it is that low. But that is more to the point of how prepared Japan is for these kinds of emergencies. And we still are seeing the problems with the nuclear facility. I believe they got #5 and #6 reactors under control, but the other 4 are ruined and still causing issues with the radiation. It's showing up in food in high quantities now. We are lucky to not have more situations like this. Because when a nuclear facility has problems, it turns into a very big deal with wide devastating effects. Quote
TimG Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Seriously! The Government there has been downplaying the risks since problems first began after the tsunami.I have yet to see any evidence of serious problems outside of the immediate vicinity. If any risks have been downplayed it is because they deserve to be down played. Your biggest problem is deep down you really want the place to blow up so you can justify your own paranoia. Edited March 21, 2011 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. Eventually things will be found out, but it could take years before there is any real admission there was a huge problem. Which anyone with some limited critical thinking capacity, understood right from the start that this was a huge issue.It would be irresponsible for anyone in authority to speculate about improbable worst case outcomes. Fortunately, you and WIP are not in a position of authority. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 It would be irresponsible for anyone in authority to speculate about improbable worst case outcomes. Fortunately, you and WIP are not in a position of authority. In case you have not noticed, it was already a worst case scenario. Quote
Wilber Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 In case you have not noticed, it was already a worst case scenario. Bad but not really, it could be far worse. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Bad but not really, it could be far worse. The nuclear crisis is not over yet. Quote
Wilber Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 The nuclear crisis is not over yet. Exactly, so it is not a worse case scenario. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Exactly, so it is not a worse case scenario. 4 nuke towers blowing up is not a worse case scenario for you? It could be worse? Can't imagine it being so. And the amount of cancers we will see from Japan in the next couple decades will be high, just like the rates of cancers and birth defects around Prypat where Chernobyl was built. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-japan-quake-who-food-idUSTRE72K12J20110321 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization said on Monday that the detection of radiation in food after an earthquake damaged a Japanese nuclear plant was a more serious problem than it had first expected."Quite clearly it's a serious situation," Peter Cordingley, Manila-based spokesman for WHO's regional office for the Western Pacific, told Reuters in a telephone interview. "It's a lot more serious than anybody thought in the early days when we thought that this kind of problem can be limited to 20 to 30 kilometers," he said. Cases of contaminated vegetables, dust, milk and water are already stoking regional anxieties despite Japanese officials' assurances the levels are not dangerous. Japan's government has prohibited the sale of raw milk from Fukushima prefecture and spinach from another nearby area. It said more restrictions on food may be announced later on Monday. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/22/3170109.htm The World Health Organisation says the detection of radiation in food is a more serious problem than first expected and food contamination is not a localised problem.Four prefectures have been singled out, but it says there is no evidence of contaminated food from Fukushima reaching other countries. Shipments of spinach and similar vegetables will be banned and exports of milk from Fukushima prefecture will also be curtailed. Speaking through a translator, chief government spokesman Yukio Edano maintained there was no health threat. "For a precautionary measure we are taking these actions. Please don't panic," he said The food poses no health threat, but yet it's being pulled due to precautions. That's some doublespeak right there. Quote
Wilber Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Q 4 nuke towers blowing up is not a worse case scenario for you? It could be worse? Can't imagine it being so. And the amount of cancers we will see from Japan in the next couple decades will be high, just like the rates of cancers and birth defects around Prypat where Chernobyl was built. Well actually they haven't "blown up". You and eyeball should form your own hand wringers club. Edited March 21, 2011 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 Q Well actually they haven't "blown up". You and eyeball should form your own hand wringers club. Maybe you should take a look at this.. Before !!! After !!!! Quote
Post To The Left Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) 4 nuke towers blowing up is not a worse case scenario for you? It could be worse? Can't imagine it being so. And the amount of cancers we will see from Japan in the next couple decades will be high, just like the rates of cancers and birth defects around Prypat where Chernobyl was built. There were small hydrogen explosions (not nuclear explosions) that blew off the external shell of the building at THREE "nuke towers." The damage from the explosion at reactor two has not been evaluated yet. Either way radiation release has been minimal. The amount of radiation found in food also has been minimal. If you ate the food, they are saying has been found with SMALL amounts of radiation, for a year the radiation levels absorbed by your body would add up to CT scan. The food is pulled only as a precaution not because of any threat. The Japanese power crisis is NOTHING like Chernobyl which was an out of control fission reaction that caused a huge explosion exposing the nuclear reactor and creating a huge fire that spread radioactive over an immense area. To say that the Japanese crisis is the same as the Chernobyl crisis is highly irresponsible. Due to the low amount of radiation released from the Japanese plants and the fast evacuation of the surrounding Japanese population there will be NO considerable increase in cancer in the general public. Reactors 5 and 6 have been hooked up to external power and have had their cooling system restarted. There was a rush to hook up the other reactors but after the water spraying operation the radiation being emitted from the reactors fell to normal levels so they have been going slowly with hooking up power to the other reactors. Number one and two reactors have been hooked up to a power supply but they are slowly checking all the components in the reactor to make sure that everything is working before switching on the power. The real heroes are the nuclear workers. One employee has been confirmed to have been exposed to more than 100 millisieverts while on-site. "If you take one of the workers who's been exposed to 100 milliSieverts (mSv), that's not going to have any serious short-term effects," he said - "certainly nothing like the situation facing the Chernobyl emergency workers that killed 28 of them."The risk of a serious cancer arising from that kind of dose would be less than 1% in a lifetime - and you have to consider that the normal chance of dying from cancer is 20-25% anyway. "As for people outside the plant - I can't see any chance of picking out the effect of the Fukushima releases against the general background of cancers." -- Richard Wakeford from the Dalton Nuclear Institute, a visiting professor in epidemiology at the University of Manchester Edited March 22, 2011 by Post To The Left Quote
Wilber Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 The reactors themselves have not "blown up". There may be some damage to two of the containment vessels. The rest are not damaged. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Post To The Left Posted March 21, 2011 Report Posted March 21, 2011 OMG now here is a real Nuke crisis! The foreign media are reporting a nuclear reactor is experiencing trouble IN TOKYO! The plant in Shibuya is located in the center of the nation's capital! Tokyo has 32 million people if this Shibuya plant goes it's going to bad! This is just like Chernobyl. Did everyone one hear? CHERNOBYL! Exactly like CHERNOBYL! Quote
GostHacked Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 There were small hydrogen explosions (not nuclear explosions) that blew off the external shell of the building at THREE "nuke towers." The damage from the explosion at reactor two has not been evaluated yet. Either way radiation release has been minimal. The amount of radiation found in food also has been minimal. If you ate the food, they are saying has been found with SMALL amounts of radiation, for a year the radiation levels absorbed by your body would add up to CT scan. The food is pulled only as a precaution not because of any threat. We've already established they were not nuclear explosions. However, those 'small' hydrogen explosions blew 3 towers apart. They are not out of the woods yet. Quote
Wilber Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 We've already established they were not nuclear explosions. However, those 'small' hydrogen explosions blew 3 towers apart. They are not out of the woods yet. I don't think anyone is saying they are. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 This really illustrate how grotesquely out of touch the anti-nuclear types are: The lesson to learn here is that if your country is hit by a monster earthquake and tsunami, one of the safest places to be is at the local nuclear powerplant. Other Japanese nuclear powerplants in the quake-stricken area, in fact, are sheltering homeless refugees in their buildings – which are some of the few in the region left standing at all, let alone with heating, water and other amenities. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/fukushima_friday/page3.htmlThings went wrong at Fukushima but so far, there is nothing that cannot be rectified by higher tsunami walls and better waste disposal practices. The hyperventilating is getting quite ridiculous. Quote
Trimesh Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 Here is the Onegawa nuclear power plant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onagawa_Nuclear_Power_Plant Right on the sea because if the worst happens radiation blows out to the sea. Just one little point - this is not the primary reason these plants are next to the sea, it's done because the cooler the input feedwater is the higher the thermal efficiency of the plant. In practice, this means that using a single pass cooler with seawater might increase the overall efficiency by about 2% over using a cooling tower. This might not sound a lot, but going from 31% to 33% efficiency on a 1GW(e) class station gives you about 64MW of additional output power. Quote
WIP Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. Eventually things will be found out, but it could take years before there is any real admission there was a huge problem. Which anyone with some limited critical thinking capacity, understood right from the start that this was a huge issue. What I find most distressing about how this story will be handled, is the fact that they already know that they can keep releasing their minimum risk and danger estimates to the public, and as long as nothing blows up, the major commercial news networks move on to the next story and totally ignore what's going on....which they have already done if you notice how hard it is now that the big international story of the day is the bombing of Libya. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 I have yet to see any evidence of serious problems outside of the immediate vicinity. If any risks have been downplayed it is because they deserve to be down played. Your biggest problem is deep down you really want the place to blow up so you can justify your own paranoia. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
TimG Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 I take that to be an acknowledgment that you have absolutely no evidence that any problems have spread outside of the immediate area and that all of your hyperbole is nothing but the product of an over-active imagination. Quote
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