Ignatieff doesn't need parliament it is below him

[punked]

Out of the top 25 who don't show up all but 5 are Liberals. Seems there is a problem in that party with doing the work they were sent to Ottawa to do.

The statistics are revealing, not only for what they say about attendance but also about party discipline and character.

Seventeen MPs, most of them Liberals, have missed at least one-quarter of the votes in the House of Commons in the past two years.

Three Liberal backbenchers – Jim Karygiannis, Keith Martin and Ruby Dhalla – came close to missing half the more than 300 votes Parliament took between November, 2008, and December, 2010.

“Is it because someone is not in Ottawa or not voting that he’s not carrying his weight?” Liberal Whip Marcel Proulx wondered.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/head-count-in-the-house-do-you-know-where-your-mp-is/article1932039/

[Mr.Canada]

I heard this on the radio this morning, amazing. What's more amazing is that the leader of the BQ has been in House for 97% of the votes. The guy who wants to break up Canada.

Punked, I thought you were a socialist. Have you finally come to your senses and joined the Conservatives?

Edited March 7, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

I heard this on the radio this morning, amazing. What's more amazing is that the leader of the BQ has been in House for 97% of the votes. The guy who wants to break up Canada.

Punked, I thought you were a socialist. Have you finally come to your senses and joined the Conservatives?

Have read Mr. Ignatieff's books? You don't get more Conservative then that guy. I want a progressive Canada both Harper and Ignatieff don't really play a part in that in my mind.

[Mr.Canada]

Have read Mr. Ignatieff's books? You don't get more Conservative then that guy. I want a progressive Canada both Harper and Ignatieff don't really play a part in that in my mind.

Oh I quite agree with you. He was a Republican when he's down in the US and comes to Canada to try and be a socialist. He's not being true to himself, I think that is the biggest turn off to voters here in Canada. Honestly it's too bad he didn't join the Tories. Not to lead the party of coarse but he could've made a good Tory Minister. But he instead went for the power grab.

Punked, when I listen to Jack Layton types talk about some of the social policy they'd install I like what is said. What they propose sounds really great and would be nice to have.

However the cost of these things would make taxes out of control and isn't sustainable over time. It's like dreaming, pie in the sky type stuff. That's why I don't understand how people can be socialist.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

Oh I quite agree with you. He was a Republican when he's down in the US and comes to Canada to try and be a socialist. He's not being true to himself, I think that is the biggest turn off to voters here in Canada. Honestly it's too bad he didn't join the Tories. Not to lead the party of coarse but he could've made a good Tory Minister. But he instead went for the power grab.

Punked, when I listen to Jack Layton types talk about some of the social policy they'd install I like what is said. What they propose sounds really great and would be nice to have.

However the cost of these things would make taxes out of control and isn't sustainable over time. It's like dreaming, pie in the sky type stuff. That's why I don't understand how people can be socialist.

Well because this is the first time we have talked civil to one another I will start by saying I am not a socialist. I am a social Democrat, and the NDP are also not socialist they are social Democrats.

Next I agree policy must be implemented on what we can afford. I think most Canadians agree on that, what we disagree on is what can we afford. Most Conservative types think that we as Canada can't afford to make sure school kids don't go to school hungry, that everyone is provided the right of health care, and to help our seniors with their retirement. However most NDPers see Canada as a rich nation which has those responsibilities. The NDP when in government with a few exceptions balances the budget first then pays for progressive legislation which invests in our people.

So I guess we agree to live within our means the question is just "what is our means". I think 150 billion in Corporate taxs isn't as important as the priorities I laid out. Maybe you think differently.

[Topaz]

Oh I quite agree with you. He was a Republican when he's down in the US and comes to Canada to try and be a socialist. He's not being true to himself, I think that is the biggest turn off to voters here in Canada. Honestly it's too bad he didn't join the Tories. Not to lead the party of coarse but he could've made a good Tory Minister. But he instead went for the power grab.

Punked, when I listen to Jack Layton types talk about some of the social policy they'd install I like what is said. What they propose sounds really great and would be nice to have.

However the cost of these things would make taxes out of control and isn't sustainable over time. It's like dreaming, pie in the sky type stuff. That's why I don't understand how people can be socialist.

So you are worried about taxes out control? What do you think will happen if the Tories do go ahead with the F35, the prisons, and the 6 Billion tax cut to business? We are paying 87 million on the interest on the national debt. Your paying increase EI premuims, which you may never collect. That's not counting the military spending and the cost of the war.

[punked]

So you are worried about taxes out control? What do you think will happen if the Tories do go ahead with the F35, the prisons, and the 6 Billion tax cut to business? We are paying 87 million on the interest on the national debt. Your paying increase EI premuims, which you may never collect. That's not counting the military spending and the cost of the war.

The Liberals have to buy new planes anyway. That argument is a non starter they are being disingenuous no pre-facing their plane attack line with out this. Seriously the Liberals agree planes are needed they just think they can some how get it cheaper with out reason.

Now if their argument was no more war planes OR they want un-manned planes that would be something we could talk about but right now they sit at the argument of "We probably can't do it cheaper BUT we might." Not enough there.

[capricorn]

The Liberals have to buy new planes anyway. That argument is a non starter they are being disingenuous no pre-facing their plane attack line with out this.

Yeah. And here we have Bob Rae calling for our participation in a Libya no fly zone.

Rae said he would like to see Canada prepare itself to take part in a no fly zone

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/194020--bob-rae-says-it-s-time-for-canada-to-take-action-against-muammar-gaddafi

Just more Liberal dissonance.

[scribblet]

Liberal MP Jim Karry... has always had a failing grade, I remember a few years ago he got an F in one paper's assessment. I could tell you a few things about that creep from when I was in that riding and on another EDA... but I can't publicly He has his staff trolling the internet looking for mentions of his name.

[Posc Student]

Harper's not to fond of showing up for votes either.

[capricorn]

Harper's not to fond of showing up for votes either.

Yeah. I think the Prime Minister should cancel all travel related to international and domestic obligations, make sure he never gets too ill to attend the H of C and that family emergencies never occur.

[Mr.Canada]

Well because this is the first time we have talked civil to one another I will start by saying I am not a socialist. I am a social Democrat, and the NDP are also not socialist they are social Democrats.

I basically look at any party that isn't conservative as a socialist party perhaps I shouldn't. It probably aggravates more then it fosters useful conversation. I actually had to search Social Democracy to read about it. Does the NDP stick to that SD model or do they stray into socialism? That's what I am wondering now.

Next I agree policy must be implemented on what we can afford. I think most Canadians agree on that, what we disagree on is what can we afford. Most Conservative types think that we as Canada can't afford to make sure school kids don't go to school hungry, that everyone is provided the right of health care, and to help our seniors with their retirement. However most NDPers see Canada as a rich nation which has those responsibilities. The NDP when in government with a few exceptions balances the budget first then pays for progressive legislation which invests in our people.

This is the place where I disagree with NDP type supporters. The left seems to think that people should take zero responsibility for themselves and that the government should be intervening in many aspects of a citizens life.

To me, it's the responsibility of parents to ensure that their children are fed and clothed etc. and not the governments. People shouldn't be having children then expecting the rest of us to pay for them.

Again I think people need to take some personal responsibility in saving for their own future's. The CPP one gets isn't enough to live on, not even close. I like to idea of the CPP but it needs to be fixed for sure. How much does the NDP want each Canadian to have each month with CPP and OAS combined?

So I guess we agree to live within our means the question is just "what is our means". I think 150 billion in Corporate taxs isn't as important as the priorities I laid out. Maybe you think differently.

If more things were privatized then we could pay much lower taxes as the government would need to pay for less things. That in turn could lead to more money for things like a better pensions.

Edited March 8, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

I basically look at any party that isn't conservative as a socialist party perhaps I shouldn't. It probably aggravates more then it fosters useful conversation. I actually had to search Social Democracy to read about it. Does the NDP stick to that SD model or do they stray into socialism? That's what I am wondering now.

Ummmmmm I guess some Party history can help sort this out. The CCF started out as a socialist party but in 56 they adopted the Winnipeg Declaration. This moved the CCF out of the economic policy of Socialism and into one the first Social Democratic parties in the world. The difference here is that instead of believing in a government can run all we accept the policy that capitalism and private enterprise work however they must work in the context of a truly competitive system. This means that if the government can either do something better, or bring costs into line with what they should be by competing in the market then it should. The second part is that are somethings like health care, and electricity that are 1) To big for large enterprise to get into or 2) are to important to economic and social well being that is in the best interest for the government to offer those services.

Thats kinda the run down. Economically speaking however if you want to get into tax, privatization, as well as social programs well then that depends.

This is the place where I disagree with NDP type supporters. The left seems to think that people should take zero responsibility for themselves and that the government should be intervening in many aspects of a citizens life.

To me, it's the responsibility of parents to ensure that their children are fed and clothed etc. and not the governments. People shouldn't be having children then expecting the rest of us to pay for them.

I never punish a child of the sins of their parents. No child should be hungry we are a rich nation and at the very least we can make this happen.

However I understand where you coming from. My reaction is very much a gut reaction it is something I was born with and maybe blinded by. This is how I feel.

Again I think people need to take some personal responsibility in saving for their own future's. The CPP one gets isn't enough to live on, not even close. I like to idea of the CPP but it needs to be fixed for sure. How much does the NDP want each Canadian to have each month with CPP and OAS combined?

If more things were privatized then we could pay much lower taxes as the government would need to pay for less things. That in turn could lead to more money for things like a better pensions.

Meh the government has done such a bad job with our taxes so far. I think Canada is the best country in the world. I don't think it needs radical change and I don't think the NDP offer radical change. I think we can do better but that our tax structure has helped Canada be who it is on the world stage.

[nicky10013]

Yeah. I think the Prime Minister should cancel all travel related to international and domestic obligations, make sure he never gets too ill to attend the H of C and that family emergencies never occur.

Ah, so that behaviour is allowed, but the leader of the opposition tourning and talking to Canadians - which is why he's usually not in parliament (Open Mike Tours) is of course nothing but an awful idea. I mean, talking to constituents? Who does that ass Ignatieff think he is?

[Shakeyhands]

Yeah. I think the Prime Minister should cancel all travel related to international and domestic obligations, make sure he never gets too ill to attend the H of C and that family emergencies never occur.

Capricorn... we finally agree. In fact I would take it a step farther and suggest that Mr Harper go home to AB and never show his face again. God, that would be nice

[punked]

Ah, so that behaviour is allowed, but the leader of the opposition tourning and talking to Canadians - which is why he's usually not in parliament (Open Mike Tours) is of course nothing but an awful idea. I mean, talking to constituents? Who does that ass Ignatieff think he is?

I think he thinks he is better then the PM. You know missing more votes and all. Well at the least the Liberals are number at something right? Again I repeat it starts with the leader and 20 of the to 25 vote missers are Liberals.

[capricorn]

Ah, so that behaviour is allowed, but the leader of the opposition tourning and talking to Canadians - which is why he's usually not in parliament (Open Mike Tours) is of course nothing but an awful idea. I mean, talking to constituents? Who does that ass Ignatieff think he is?

Who said anything about Ignatieff? He can knock himself out touring Canada. After all, he does have to make up for the 30 years he lived out of country.

[Bonam]

However most NDPers see Canada as a rich nation which has those responsibilities. The NDP when in government with a few exceptions balances the budget first then pays for progressive legislation which invests in our people.

Sorry but what, exactly, are you referring to? The NDP has not formed a federal government as far as I'm aware. Provincial NDP parties that have governed are completely distinct from their federal counterpart, as anyone who knows the first thing about Canadian politics should known. And, even ignoring all that, provincial NDP governments certainly don't "balance the budget first"; just look at the disastrous NDP reign in BC.

[punked]

Sorry but what, exactly, are you referring to? The NDP has not formed a federal government as far as I'm aware. Provincial NDP parties that have governed are completely distinct from their federal counterpart, as anyone who knows the first thing about Canadian politics should known. And, even ignoring all that, provincial NDP governments certainly don't "balance the budget first"; just look at the disastrous NDP reign in BC.

The Federal and provincial parties are tied member of one member of the other. Most the NDP's new policy come from the provincial parties ie. Small business tax cut to 0%.

Here is what you can do for me. Go look over all the years the NDP have been in power and find the % they balanced the budget out of those years. Than you can go and do the samething for the Conservatives and Liberals. Next you can come back to me and tell me the NDP has the highest percentage ok? Thanks have fun researching.

[Posc Student]

Yeah. I think the Prime Minister should cancel all travel related to international and domestic obligations, make sure he never gets too ill to attend the H of C and that family emergencies never occur.

So it's fine for Harper to not to go because he's Prime Minister but it's not fine for Ignatieff who is trying to become Prime Minister?

[nicky10013]

I think he thinks he is better then the PM. You know missing more votes and all. Well at the least the Liberals are number at something right? Again I repeat it starts with the leader and 20 of the to 25 vote missers are Liberals.

Did you ever think maybe the top 20 are Liberals because they hold back members to let votes pass while not actually supporting the bill? Between the Bloc and the NDP recklessly denying support to any piece of legislation and the CPC recklessly making everything a confidence motion, someone has to keep parliament afloat.

So you're essentially bad mouthing the Liberals for being the adults in the room. It truly depresses me what this country has sunk to.

[nicky10013]

Who said anything about Ignatieff? He can knock himself out touring Canada. After all, he does have to make up for the 30 years he lived out of country.

The title of the thread does you illiterate hack.

[punked]

Did you ever think maybe the top 20 are Liberals because they hold back members to let votes pass while not actually supporting the bill? Between the Bloc and the NDP recklessly denying support to any piece of legislation and the CPC recklessly making everything a confidence motion, someone has to keep parliament afloat.

So you're essentially bad mouthing the Liberals for being the adults in the room. It truly depresses me what this country has sunk to.

Yes yes I did think that. Then I thought I don't vote for someone so they can NOT show up and express my opinion.

[nicky10013]

Yes yes I did think that. Then I thought I don't vote for someone so they can NOT show up and express my opinion.

Did you ever think that not showing up is an opinion in and of itself?

Of course you didn't.

[capricorn]

So it's fine for Harper to not to go because he's Prime Minister but it's not fine for Ignatieff who is trying to become Prime Minister?

I didn't mention Ignatieff in my response to you. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?