punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 pssst, it was LAYTON not Iggy that caved on the Corporate tax breaks and it was LEYTON not Iggy that'spent 45 minutes in a private meeting trying to make a DEAL not to force an election... Maybe that thread needs bumping? Remind me when that budget vote took place? I remember when Iggy promised Corporate tax breaks, I remember when he voted for them. I don't remember the vote you are talking about? Doesn't seem like anyone caved to me and Canadians seem to think the same thing picking Harper, Layton AND NON OF THE ABOVE as better leaders then Iggy. Quote
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Exactly. Punked comes on here and whines about how the Liberals get nothing done and how Jack will stand up to make lives better, but Happy Jack is only in that position (which is wildly spun, Jack is doing it to avoid an election) because Harper picked Layton to deal with. Even though he refers to a coalition of separatists and socialists, he knows that dealing solely with the NDP and cutting out the LPC entirely splits the left and makes the LPC look extraordinarily weak to it's own supporters. Ignatieff can't deal and "make a coalition" with an unwilling party. All they can do is support or not support a government until they have the money and the platform to put up a respectable fight. Prior to contrary belief, they've got the former and I suspect we'll have to wait until a campaign to see the latter. Yah we will see at the vote btw it is something 170-1 for the Liberals supporting the conservatives so as my friends like to chant. Score board. BTW Harper sees the numbers, Jack sees the numbers they both know the Liberals are in free fall because they are voting against a budget they haven't seen. Jack is waiting for the budget so he can give a reason other than "I am tired of this and want to go back to being a Collage professor" as the reason he is voting against the budget. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Yah we will see at the vote btw it is something 170-1 for the Liberals supporting the conservatives so as my friends like to chant. Score board. BTW Harper sees the numbers, Jack sees the numbers they both know the Liberals are in free fall because they are voting against a budget they haven't seen. Jack is waiting for the budget so he can give a reason other than "I am tired of this and want to go back to being a Collage professor" as the reason he is voting against the budget. THIS IS A LIE. Of the 400 or so bills that have gone to parliament only a little over 100 have been passed. MORE LIES! Edited March 1, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GWiz Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 I'm a "news junky" so I see all the "noise" in Canadian politics all the TIME, but the vast, vast majority of Canadians are totally oblivious to what's happening on the Canadian political scene right now... Wait until a writ is dropped and you just may see a completely different picture than some would like to paint, especially on here... The TRUTH is that Ignatieff is still a fairly unknown quantity and a LOT will depend on the QUALITY of people the different parties have running in ridings across Canada and NOT just the party leaders who only appear on ballots in their own ridings... On that score the LIBERALS are looking pretty good I'm thinking... Just MHO of course... But I for one wouldn't like having an Oda (or a bunch of other CONS) out front and center representing my party in the next election whenever that may be... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) THIS IS A LIE. Of the 400 or so bills that have gone to parliament only a little over 100 have been passed. MORE LIES! You seem to forget all the Bills Dion let pass during his years in parliament. Thanks for calling me a liar though. Also you seem to forget that if there is 100 bills that means there is 300 votes. I will wait for my apology please. Edited March 1, 2011 by punked Quote
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 I'm a "news junky" so I see all the "noise" in Canadian politics all the TIME, but the vast, vast majority of Canadians are totally oblivious to what's happening on the Canadian political scene right now... Wait until a writ is dropped and you just may see a completely different picture than some would like to paint, especially on here... The TRUTH is that Ignatieff is still a fairly unknown quantity and a LOT will depend on the QUALITY of people the different parties have running in ridings across Canada and NOT just the party leaders who only appear on ballots in their own ridings... On that score the LIBERALS are looking pretty good I'm thinking... Just MHO of course... But I for one wouldn't like having an Oda (or a bunch of other CONS) out front and center representing my party in the next election whenever that may be... Spin spin spin. I get it you think once the election starts everyone will tune and love Ignatieff. Heard the same argument for Dion. Just so you know I took my mother a life long Liberal to a Ignatieff rally to "hear him speak". Afterward she told me she "wasn't voting this time around because that man was just the worst." I told her that was why I took her. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Spin spin spin. I get it you think once the election starts everyone will tune and love Ignatieff. Heard the same argument for Dion. Just so you know I took my mother a life long Liberal to a Ignatieff rally to "hear him speak". Afterward she told me she "wasn't voting this time around because that man was just the worst." I told her that was why I took her. Oh good, I suppose she'll just waste her vote on the NDP and assist Harper with getting his coveted majority. Good work! Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Oh good, I suppose she'll just waste her vote on the NDP and assist Harper with getting his coveted majority. Good work! Nope my mother would never vote anything but Liberal however after she watched the guy talk made her mind up. She wouldn't vote. See this is the problem the best argument the Liberals have is "We are not the Conservatives" You can't win on running on something you aren't. You just can't in the end it is going to be the Liberals who give us the Conservative Majority for sticking us with the option of voting for the Conservatives in Red or the Conservatives in blue. So because we are getting them anyway people might as well vote NDP at least they offer policy, vision, and MPs who work hard. Quote
Battletoads Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Harper Tories on the brink of majority, poll finds Harper edges closer to majority Tory majority? Why Stephen Harper is riding high in the polls Yeah there is lots of talk of a Tory majority government from the Globe, the Star and even the CBC. Oh, wait. Those stories are from 2008. Most Canadians know well enough that a haper majority is a bad thing, hence why the cons numbers always drop whenever they near the high thirties. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
GWiz Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Spin spin spin. I get it you think once the election starts everyone will tune and love Ignatieff. Heard the same argument for Dion. Just so you know I took my mother a life long Liberal to a Ignatieff rally to "hear him speak". Afterward she told me she "wasn't voting this time around because that man was just the worst." I told her that was why I took her. Naaa, Ignatieff is Ignatieff, and while I had a much better impression of him in person vs what snippets I've seen as sound bites, he's no Trudeau (senior or junior) when he speaks... In the end it will come down to simple FACTS and REALITIES between Harper and Ignatieff with Layton as always blowing wind at both of them knowing that he's not really even in the picture... If Elizabeth May can articulate an even remotely acceptable Green platform she'll split the "also ran" vote of the NDP her way... While I'll admit May will do more vote splitting on the left many people will see the need to support the Liberals as the ONLY means of stopping Harper from gaining a majority... If Ignatieff can get the Liberal message across the Liberals will do just fine... Liberals are more "conservative" in spending than Harper and Co. and they can prove it... Liberals are more "socially concious" than the NDP and they can prove that too; PLUS they could actually form a Goverment which the NDP can't do... I'm actually looking forward to the next election to see how things play out and how Ignatieff performs on the big stage in front of a real audience... Whatever happens it's not gonna make any real difference to me, but it sure as hell may have a HUGE effect on YOU and the life you have going forward into the future... Be careful what you wish for, YOU may not like what YOU get... Be INFORMED not just led... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scribblet Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Layton has some adds out, so an election must be in the wind as spending pre-writ campaign money is unusual for the NDP. One thing Layton could score points on is the HST debacle, if he can successfully link it to Harper in Ontario especially, he could score some votes. The HST is hated, but the left blames it all on Harper although it was a choice, made by McGuinty who could easily have said no, but chose to accept it. If the NDP can hammer it home that it was all Harper's fault, he could be a winner. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
madmax Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 If the NDP can hammer it home that it was all Harper's fault, he could be a winner. Conservatives I know, really like the HST. I think the election is coming. HST won't be an issue. Quote
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 The NDP are already running election Adds on the HST check them out. http://www.ndp.ca/tv-ads BTW GWiz keep praying for that strong green party because if you look at the polls and voter intentions they are stealing Liberals not NDPers. BIG TIME! Seriously do you even look at the election results. Quote
GWiz Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 The NDP are already running election Adds on the HST check them out. http://www.ndp.ca/tv-ads BTW GWiz keep praying for that strong green party because if you look at the polls and voter intentions they are stealing Liberals not NDPers. BIG TIME! Seriously do you even look at the election results. Election results yes, polls not so much... Hmmmm, the Greens have been asking me to run, think I should consider it? That's of course is if YOU think I care one way or another... Since I actually don't, simply because whatever the outcome of the next election it's not gonna affect me very much at all... But it might affect YOU big TIME... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Election results yes, polls not so much... Hmmmm, the Greens have been asking me to run, think I should consider it? That's of course is if YOU think I care one way or another... Since I actually don't, simply because whatever the outcome of the next election it's not gonna affect me very much at all... But it might affect YOU big TIME... Gotcha now that the Liberals are in free fall you don't care about elections or election results. You are just to much. PS again you might want to look at those polls including exit polls the greens take voters from the Liberals not the NDP sorry to burst your bubble. Quote
GWiz Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 Gotcha now that the Liberals are in free fall you don't care about elections or election results. You are just to much. PS again you might want to look at those polls including exit polls the greens take voters from the Liberals not the NDP sorry to burst your bubble. Naaa, doesn't bother me a bit really... If you'd have read my posts you wouldn't be making the assumptions you are... Plus I didn't say I didn't care about elections or their outcomes, of course I do, I just said that they wouldn't have much affect on me or my life, and it won't... If you're trying to get my goat my friend you are really failing miserably... FYI - Just so you can't say you haven't been warned, remember that - Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About - article? About how American Unions lost their power without having the Democrats on their side... Do YOU know the only way something like that will happen (it's already happening) in Canada? If YOU guessed by Unions and "ordinary" workers not STRONGLY supporting the Liberal Party of Canada thereby forcing them to get their FUNDING (which is what really counts) from business just like the CONS... Then see how much "influence" unions and the general public have in Canadian politics... Have a nice day... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scribblet Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 This reinforces an earlier post of mine (somewhere) that the Liberals need an election in order to get rid of Ignatieff, but I can't believe they would be so stupid as to do this now, without an issue such as the budget. The latest rumour de jour from the nation’s capital is that the Liberals will try a snap nonconfidence motion before the Conservatives can deliver their budget. This is an interesting thought, but it is very high risk. Such a move reflects the desperation of the Liberals to try to get back into power at any cost and it would appear to the public to be exactly what it is – a self-serving attempt that has none of the interests of the public in mind. -snip- There is also the Canadian sense of fair play. To force an election campaign while NDP leader Jack Layton is on the sidelines recovering from a hip operation (not to mention the after-effects of prostate cancer) would not be seen in a positive light. If I was the NDP I would be playing up the party’s attempts to win concessions from the government and playing down Layton’s recovery speed. At least that would highlight that — unlike the Liberals, the NDP is in it for Canadians. For the Conservatives what a gift this would be. It would prove beyond a doubt that their attack ad line on Ignatieff — “He didn’t come back for you” — is 100% correct . Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
madmax Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 This reinforces an earlier post of mine (somewhere) that the Liberals need an election in order to get rid of Ignatieff, but I can't believe they would be so stupid as to do this now, without an issue such as the budget. . Iggys getting tossed over bow and he doesn't even realize it. Quote
scribblet Posted March 7, 2011 Report Posted March 7, 2011 Yup.... I thought this was pretty funny from the NP this morning - really, there are far more important issues that the Liberals could use and make hay out of, but they waste their time on issues that are just not important to the average Canadian. Libya, the spike in gasoline prices, the rising cost of food, pensions, mortgages and just making ends meet on the family budget. All of which are important topics that require policy initiatives from all of the parties. ========= As for the Jason Kenney issue, I can just see Canadians huddled around the gas pumps whispering about how awful it is that the wrong letterhead was used. It might have been a stupid thing to do, but the gold medal for stupidity goes to the folks who sent the package to the wrong MP, after foolishly putting party strategy into print. Does anyone on the Hill think Canadians will be shocked to know the Conservatives have a plan to win over ethnic votes? I doubt there is a single person of voting age in this country who doesn’t believe that municipal, provincial and federal politicians seek to sway ethnic voters to their side. The government admitted it was wrong to use parliamentary letterhead; case closed for the vast majority of voters. As for the minister resigning over this issue, I recall a Prime Minister grabbing a protester by the throat; he didn’t resign over what would arguably be a far worse offence than using the wrong letterhead. While people are dying in Libya for the right to be able to question their government, here in Canada we waste the opportunities available to us to ask real questions that matter. Is it any wonder the voters tune out what happens in Ottawa? Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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