Cons accuse NDP/Lib of Child Pornography

[falling leaf]

To all in this forum

Two children I can think of that could still be here if our laws had protected the child and not the criminal.

Holly Jones - a beautiful little girl ages 10 taken because of child porn on the net. ( her killer admitted he was watching child porn ) .

Michael Dunahee - A beautiful blue eyed, blonde 4 year old who disappeared from Victoria has never been be found.

If you go to child finders you can see how many children in Canada are missing.

We owe it to these children to change our laws to protect them.

All parties should be for a stronger laws to protect children no loop holes should be left for them to get off.

Bring the laws into effect with out delay. Or put it to the people of our country for a vote. for or against child porn.

As adults we should know when a picture is porn or not.

Children should not be used in this way. Sex with a child is very offensive .

I feel the Canadian laws should be that they stay in jail if convicted , one child is to many to lose.

Also if the laws were a stronger message to the offenders they may stay away from our country and not come here from other places to do their dirty deeds.

We try to show the world we are a peaceful nation! But how can we say that when we protect the offender and not our children?

[Argus]

Two children I can think of that could still be here if our laws had protected the child and not the criminal.

Holly Jones - a beautiful little girl  ages 10 taken because of child porn on the net. ( her killer admitted he was watching child porn ) .

I am second to none in my desire to protect children and to get violent offenders off the street. I just don't think ever more stringent rules against kiddy porn is the way to go about it.

The guy who killed Holly Jones admitted a lifelong fixation, an intense obsession with sex and children. He didn't get that because of kiddy porn. He got kiddy porn because of his obsession.

Did the kiddy porn set him off? Possibly, but unlikely. If you're that crazy then you're going to go off eventually. If it wasn't the kiddy porn it would be movies with young girls in them, or the Sears catalogue. Who knows? Did the song Helter Skelter really cause Charlie Manson to commit murder? No. He was nuts to begin with. If it wasn't that it would have been something else. Do we blame Jodie Foster for John Hinkley's attack on the President. Uh, no. He was nuts. He'd have done something with or without that movie.

Nor would stronger laws neccesarily help. What we need is stronger sentencing - not for kiddy porn, but for child molesting. How many times have we heard about this or that guy who has 20 or 30 convictions for child abuse under his belt and his facing yet anothr? Come on! If you are suffering from paedophilia and you cannot resist your impulses you do not belong on the street. Lock them up for good.

Instead of fixating on eliminating what is nothing more than the EVIDENCE of child abuse, let's go after the child abusers!

As adults we should know when a picture is porn or not.

Children should not be used in this way. Sex with a child is very offensive .

I agree completely. Unfortunately, current "child porn" laws do not merely cover pictures and videos of children. They also cover adults, and they cover writings and works of the imagination.

And I continue to find it bizare that a 40 year old man can seduce and have sex with an entire high school full of 14 year old virgins without the government caring, but if an 18 year old takes a topless picture of his 17 year old girlfriend he can go to jail for child pornography. The focus of the law needs to be more tightly focused on REAL child pornography.

[playfullfellow]

And I continue to find it bizare that a 40 year old man can seduce and have sex with an entire high school full of 14 year old virgins without the government caring, but if an 18 year old takes a topless picture of his 17 year old girlfriend he can go to jail for child pornography. The focus of the law needs to be more tightly focused on REAL child pornography.

Argus, I think in principle we agree that child porn is disgusting and needs the maximum punishment. I also agree with you strongly on the age of consent issue. Te reason I do not like the artistice merit angle is that it is some angle that a weeny little lawyer is going to use to try and protect his client who got caught with a bunch of nudie picks of kids. Also erotic stories about underage kids is really weird and disgusting and people who write and read this stuff are whacked. Documentary and research type stuff may be different but again we will get some google eyed little freak using it as a defence. I would say that if things could be definate black and white without this whole freaking grey area caused by lawyers, then I could see the artistic merit angle. But since lawyers twist and abuse to the true meaning of most laws, then I can not back such a law knowing some freak will use it as a defence for getting off on a bunch of pics and stories.

[Argus]

Te reason I do not like the artistice merit angle is that it is some angle that a weeny little lawyer is going to use to try and protect his client who got caught with a bunch of nudie picks of kids.

Unlikely, unless they actually do have artistic merit. Remember, it is up to you after you are charged, to prove there is artistic merit. Not an easy task in any circumstances; extraordinarily difficult if you are not an actual artist and haven't gotten the kid's parents permission. The only people who have ever gotten off on the artistic merit defence have been such people; legitimate, recognized artists working with the consent of the parents.

Also erotic stories about underage kids is really weird and disgusting and people who write and read this stuff are whacked.

I have to laugh when I read this. Do you have any idea how many "erotic" or porn stories are out there about wierd fetishes and kinks and perversions that could be described the same way? How about adult babies? Foot fetishes? Bestiality stories? Sadomashocism (beat me! Beat me!), water sports (no, not the kind of water you're thinking of!), and worse. Human sexuality is full of the wierdest shit imaginable. Just because something is disgusting and weird is no reason for us to lock people in prison. Demonstrate the damage! Demonstrate the harm! I need to see harm before I agree people should be put in prisons. And all the scientific studies with which I am familiar continue to say that porn does not cause people to commit sexual violence.