GostHacked Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Posted February 10, 2011 I'm often taken aback at how in some areas of Africa the people have such healthy looking teeth. They don't have flouride in their water but they also don't have sugar in their diet. This is true. And a good deal of food we eat in North America has the HFCS which is now getting the moniker of Corn Sugar. Change the name of the product when it starts to get negative attention. I don't hear the medical establishment mentioning too much about sugar and it's detrimental effects. I hear alot about salt, white flour but not much on sugar. There are some warnings but there is a faction that downplays the role of sugar in poor general health, including dental health. Apparently it has nothing to do with overactive behavior in kids either according to some. When I was in school, sugar was one thing that we were aware of and not to eat so much, because it damages teeth along with making you fat. But you are right, we don't hear from them as much in regards to the dangers of too much sugar intake. I guess there is a lot of money made from treating people with diabetes because of high sugar intakes. Fast food is even more dangerous, items like the Big Mac has 9 grams of sugar in it. Really? I don't think we need flouride in the water. Our city claims they don't add flouride to the water. And I don't use a flouride toothpaste. Flouride does reduce sensitivity of the teeth, I think. The advice to use a toothpaste such as Sensodyne for sensitive teeth is because it has double the flouride of regular toothpastes. When I checked the ingredients that was about the only major difference. I often feel we don't get all the information when we are given advice on health. We can look at the latest steps the USA has taken. Reducing fluoride content in water (I believe nation wide) from 1.2 PPM to 0.7 PPM. Why would it be reduced if it was safe and a benefit for people's health? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 the first time I've ever heard of the Jewish Dental conspiracy. Me too,my dentist does have a German(Jewish?) name but I have never witnessed him wearing a yarmulke. I draw the line at doing anything at all to find out if he is circumsized.I may be the wrong person to investigate this whole scenario as I am pretty sure that Zionist Mind Control experts implanted a chip in my brain when I fell asleep at a Yanni concert in Athens in 2002. Quote The government should do something.
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I searched around trying to find an answer to that and from what little I could find is that it evaporates just as water does so it shouldn't accumulate in the water... Not sure if that's quite right. (You have a reference for that?) Fluorine is an element that is extremely reactive with other atoms. When in water it will become an ion, but outside of that it will form compounds which are not exactly gaseous. I think the reason it doesn't accumulate is that it is so soluble that it can easily be transported or 'flushed' out of the environment. (That, and the concentrations we'd be adding to the environment are tiny compared to the amount of naturally occurring fluoride.) Quote
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 The real reason the Calgarians have ended fluoridation: it's a tool of the left-wing pinko-commie conspiracy that weakens the minds of rugged individualists until they turn into atheists and vote for Trudeau! Believe it! lol wtf! I've heard of the Jewish Banking conspiracy, the Jewish Media conspiracy, but this is honest to gosh the first time I've ever heard of the Jewish Dental conspiracy. Does your dog talk to you, Oleg? Like, give you advice, suggest you do things, stuff like that? -k Perhaps there's a Jewish conspiracy afoot, to make people believe in a Jewish conspiracy. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Perhaps there's a Jewish conspiracy afoot, to make people believe in a Jewish conspiracy. Do you see the Joos behind that too? Quote The government should do something.
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Do you see the Joos behind that too? I don't think you understood my post (and to be fair, it's a little clumsily worded)...so in this one instance, I will forgive your insinuation of my anti-semitism. What I was trying to wonder aloud was more or less what you thought you were being clever about: that there is a Jewish conspiracy...and that conspiracy is designed to make us all believe in a Jewish conspiracy! I hope that clears up my attempt at a reductio a little. Edited February 10, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Perhaps there's a Jewish conspiracy afoot, to make people believe in a Jewish conspiracy. Do you see the Joos behind that too? Actually, it was the Jewish Nazis, acting on behalf of the illuminati. They get their instructions during the meetings of the Bilderberg group. Quote
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Actually, it was the Jewish Nazis, acting on behalf of the illuminati. They get their instructions during the meetings of the Bilderberg group. Don't encourage fellowtraveller; his lack of facility with the English language made him imply that I was an anti-semite. But then, you included my quote in your response...so you didn't understand it either? How did you two translate my sentence in your heads? (It wasn't by using knowledge of English grammar...so what was it?) Edited February 10, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Don't encourage fellowtraveller; his lack of facility with the English language made him imply that I was an anti-semite. But then, you included my quote in your response...so you didn't understand it either? Actually, I assumed both you and fellowtraveller were both kidding, so I was playing along. I doubt here really believes in a "global jewish conspiricy" to either rule the world, or convince the world of a conspiracy. Quote
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Actually, I assumed both you and fellowtraveller were both kidding, so I was playing along. I doubt here really believes in a "global jewish conspiricy" to either rule the world, or convince the world of a conspiracy. No, fellowtraveller doesn't believe it; he recognizes the anti-semitism generally inherent to that view. His error was in assuming I was being serious. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Yes, when I mentioned the Zionist Mind Control I was linking whathisname bloodyminded with same. He may be posting directly from Tel Aviv. Everybody take note. Quote The government should do something.
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Yes, when I mentioned the Zionist Mind Control I was linking whathisname bloodyminded with same. He may be posting directly from Tel Aviv. Everybody take note. At least we agree that your insinuation is eminently mockable. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
fellowtraveller Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Oh no, I have been threatened with a serious mocking. Heavens. Quote The government should do something.
Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 One of my friends is a dentist, and they are seeing a lot more cavity issues with people drinking bottled water as opposed to the municipal water with flouride. He has recommended that we have the kids drink tap water instead.... Anecdotal yes, common sense yes. We need affordable dental care for all - In fact I will be bold and say that the profession should be made an eccential service....and tax money should be used to make sure that we all get to keep our teeth..and health...to use floride shows cheapness...kind of like taking the easy way out and dispensing Prozac to the poor and oppressed rather than fix and clean up our putrified economic human environment. It's cheaper to drug someone than to improve society....I am getting to beieve that the mean spirited control our system...Soon as you lose teeth you are devalued...Look at what they did in Haiti recently...extraction of teeth and no filling or repair... It is the same in Canada...social services will gladly send you to some third rate dentist to rip out a perfectly good saveable tooth...Then what you have eventually in the lower end of society is DISFIGUREMENT...and those tat are disfigured dentally - become the unpresentable - hence the unemployable. Quote
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Oh no, I have been threatened with a serious mocking. Heavens. Yes, you got the better of the deal; I had to put up with an intellectual coward who was implying anti-semitism. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Sir Bandelot Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Sarcasm (and useless posting) noted. An earlier poster made a very vague accusation about fluoride "poisoning the environment" (one for which he provided absolutely no evidence I might add.) I explained in very general terms why it was not likely an issue. Now, if you have any actual real evidence that indeed fluoride is "poisoning the environment", lets see it. Heck, if you even have a theoretical model explaining how it might actually happen then by all means post it. And I will deal with whatever "evidence" you provide. It sounds to me like you're saying, you don't see a problem with flouride at the current levels, for any reason. I guess the US government, various countries in Europe, and some Canadian municipalities have got it completely wrong then... Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Poverty - bad food - and not being able to afford a dentist is the problem - floride should be put back in the tailing pond at the aluminium plant - and not fed to humans. Quote
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 We need affordable dental care for all - In fact I will be bold and say that the profession should be made an eccential service....and tax money should be used to make sure that we all get to keep our teeth..and health...to use floride shows cheapness... Ummm... why exactly are the 2 issues mutually exclusive? Even if you support covering dental care under public health care, why does that preclude the use of fluoride in drinking water? Using fluoride is a preventative measure. It helps ensure that even if we do have public dental care that people keep their teeth. And why shouldn't cost be a consideration? Its a lot cheaper to issue vaccines than it is to treat the resulting diseases. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Ummm... why exactly are the 2 issues mutually exclusive? Even if you support covering dental care under public health care, why does that preclude the use of fluoride in drinking water? Using fluoride is a preventative measure. It helps ensure that even if we do have public dental care that people keep their teeth. And why shouldn't cost be a consideration? Its a lot cheaper to issue vaccines than it is to treat the resulting diseases. Yes it is preventive...and perhaps even pre-emtive to a degree..but it is not a prime issue---It is bizzare that sitting in a dentist chair for half an hour can cost a thousand bucks sometime...dentist are actually just jewlers..and they restore damaged jewels. I suppose my point is that the side effects of any toxin - and floride is as much of a toxin as alcohol or DDT - better to provide the public with regular and frequent visits to the dentist than to slip them something in their water. I get dehydrated living in the city - I can not stand the taste of chlorine...and the thought of floride bothers me also...I grew up drinking the purest water on earth - and am use to the best...but - My parents were not informed...dentists were for extractions...very old school....It's about educating the public and curbing greed...When I was a kid there was no such thing as doctor millionares or dental millionares. Quote
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Sarcasm (and useless posting) noted.An earlier poster made a very vague accusation about fluoride "poisoning the environment" (one for which he provided absolutely no evidence I might add.) I explained in very general terms why it was not likely an issue. Now, if you have any actual real evidence that indeed fluoride is "poisoning the environment", lets see it. Heck, if you even have a theoretical model explaining how it might actually happen then by all means post it. And I will deal with whatever "evidence" you provide. It sounds to me like you're saying, you don't see a problem with flouride at the current levels, for any reason. I guess the US government, various countries in Europe, and some Canadian municipalities have got it completely wrong then... First of all, your original response (and the one I criticized) was directly related to the accusation of fluoride "poisoning the environment". And if that's the issue you want to deal with, then yes, I have no problem with the current levels of fluoridation since I see no problem with it having any sort of negative environmental impact. Secondly, not sure what you mean by "the US government/various countries/etc. getting it wrong". Are you referring to the fact that some governments have reduced recommended fluoride levels? Or that some cities (like Calgary) have stopped Fluoridation? In that case, I'd have to consider the situation on a case by case bases. Some decisions might be done more due to politics or fear mongering, others might be due to a genuine analysis of risks vs. benefits. Quote
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Poverty - bad food - and not being able to afford a dentist is the problem As long as you're blaming things, you should also be blaming a lack of proper day-to-day dental care among a significant portion of the population. And while we would be better off if everyone ate right, brushed their teeth, and saw a dentist, it is currently just a pipe dream. Such social changes are unlikely to come in any time in the near future, and until they do, adding fluoride to tap water is the best possible "secondary measure" available. By the way, how exactly do you plan to force people not to eat sugary foods? Yes it is preventive...and perhaps even pre-emtive to a degree..but it is not a prime issue---It is bizzare that sitting in a dentist chair for half an hour can cost a thousand bucks sometime...dentist are actually just jewlers..and they restore damaged jewels. Well, that dentist/jewler is reasonably well educated, likely has to support a staff and the infrastructure needed for the clinic. Its expensive because, well, its just the cost of doing things. I suppose my point is that the side effects of any toxin - and floride is as much of a toxin as alcohol or DDT - better to provide the public with regular and frequent visits to the dentist than to slip them something in their water. Much dental work is done fixing cavities rather than preventing them. Do you really think we'll be better off having the dentist: - Inject us with novocaine (which is a drug that can have dangerous side effects in a small number of cases) - Drill away inside our mouths (painful for a lot of us) - Inserting dental amalgam, which often contains mercury (for which there is no evidence of problems associated with fillings, but some may not like having heavy metals in their mouths) And you consider that preferable to taking steps that will prevent the cavities from happening in the first place (i.e. using fluoride)? I get dehydrated living in the city - I can not stand the taste of chlorine...and the thought of floride bothers me also... I see... Here's a suggestion.. if you get a chance, watch the TV show Penn & Teller: B.S. They do an episode where they set up a fake restaurant featuring "premium bottle water" (e.g. amazonian bottled water, himilyaing glacial water, etc.) The customers all raved at how wonderful the water tasted compared to what they normally drink. Then they showed the waiter filling all the bottles with a garden hose. Yup, everyone that thought their bottled water was so 'great' was drinking the same stuff that comes out of the taps. I grew up drinking the purest water on earth Define 'pure'. You mean well-water? Remember, a lot of well water also has lots of dissolved minerals (not to mention the possibility of germs in the water. Yummm...) The only "pure water" is if you drank it distilled. My parents were not informed...dentists were for extractions...very old school....It's about educating the public and curbing greed...When I was a kid there was no such thing as doctor millionares or dental millionares. Here's what I find ironic... you point to how in the old days there were no "rich dentists". But then, dentists were "for extraction". Not exactly very technically proficient. Yes, dentists earn more these days than in the past. But then, so do you. Not only that, their techniques/technology have improved. Is that worth the extra money? Some might think so. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Yes, you got the better of the deal; I had to put up with an intellectual coward who was implying anti-semitism. Best stick with the accounting, your aspirations to a career as a satirist are not going to work out . Quote The government should do something.
GostHacked Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Posted February 11, 2011 As long as you're blaming things, you should also be blaming a lack of proper day-to-day dental care among a significant portion of the population. If someone can't take care of their own teeth, not my damn problem. And while we would be better off if everyone ate right, brushed their teeth, and saw a dentist, it is currently just a pipe dream. Such social changes are unlikely to come in any time in the near future, and until they do, adding fluoride to tap water is the best possible "secondary measure" available. So why not force us to take vitamins and other essential minerals in our water? We do need that our daily diet. Why just chlorine and fluoride? By the way, how exactly do you plan to force people not to eat sugary foods? You don't. If they want to eat sugar and have rotten teeth, again, not my problem. Why force me to ingest fluoride. And since we all get the dental coverage from our employers (in most cases) there is really no cost to the general public. Well, that dentist/jewler is reasonably well educated, likely has to support a staff and the infrastructure needed for the clinic. Its expensive because, well, its just the cost of doing things. Much dental work is done fixing cavities rather than preventing them. Indeed, and fluoride works best topically on the teeth. It does no good on the inside of your teeth (with it being in your bloodstream). Here's a suggestion.. if you get a chance, watch the TV show Penn & Teller: B.S. They do an episode where they set up a fake restaurant featuring "premium bottle water" (e.g. amazonian bottled water, himilyaing glacial water, etc.) The customers all raved at how wonderful the water tasted compared to what they normally drink. Then they showed the waiter filling all the bottles with a garden hose. Yup, everyone that thought their bottled water was so 'great' was drinking the same stuff that comes out of the taps. The only relevance this has to this thread, is that bottled water is a big seller purely due to marketing. Making you buy something you don't really need. I mean this is why we have tap water right? Or was it that 'experts' that told us that our tap water was kind of dirty and contaminated (get your Brita water filters at this fine store ...) and this was the reason bottled water was the better alternative. Because it is fresh pure water from a natural source .. aka a municipal water supply, with all the benefits of ... fluoride. Bottled water is a money grab for entities like Coca Cola and Pepsi. Remember, a lot of well water also has lots of dissolved minerals (not to mention the possibility of germs in the water. Yummm...) The only "pure water" is if you drank it distilled. That is why there are water filters/conditioners that take OUT the contaminates. Even the municipal water system does this. But yet adds chlorine and fluoride. I sure could use some Vitamin C in my water .. hmmmm. Wonder how long it would take to get that added to the water ... or is it not a good idea? Quote
wyly Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Fluorine is an element that is extremely reactive with other atoms. When in water it will become an ion, but outside of that it will form compounds which are not exactly gaseous. I think the reason it doesn't accumulate is that it is so soluble that it can easily be transported or 'flushed' out of the environment. (That, and the concentrations we'd be adding to the environment are tiny compared to the amount of naturally occurring fluoride.) I saw that as well but finding a definitive source that I can link to was difficult...but no where could I find any site that claimed/verified it was harmful to the environment... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bloodyminded Posted February 11, 2011 Report Posted February 11, 2011 Best stick with the accounting, your aspirations to a career as a satirist are not going to work out . I'm not satirizing. I'm reporting. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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