6200 civilians Casualities this month in Afghanistan?

[William Ashley]

Yeah, why would conservative vote conservative if he can vote NDP

Because of the options being better for them in doing so.

That says it right there.

[Saipan]

I wouldn't think that it would astonish you to understand that I know my own mother, and that you don't.

I was snowing on your anecdotal evidence.

I've voted Conservative myself, more than once.

That's why many of us love anecdotal evidence

[Shwa]

I was snowing on your anecdotal evidence. That's why many of us love anecdotal evidence

Name conservative supporting Chretien or Trudeau.

Bloodyminded's Mom. Here's the citation link on the Internet.

There, it is no longer anecdotal.

[William Ashley]

It's not about you. It's about Trudeau and his Martial Law.

National Security issues.. governmental individuals were being kidnapped. Including cabinet ministers - that have privy information Technically it was terrorism - because it targetted the state. Read the papers from the 1970's. Terrorism in Canada was in the headlines. (if the are authentic archives) --- problems though were brewing in Quebec, - even before the FLQ crisis - the Canadian military was being trained for emergency measures in Quebec. A lot of the stuff going on isn't public - both in training and "actual measures" not only in Canada - but in Yugoslavia and one can geuss Afghanistan - among others. There is some questionable occurence, but on the basis of national security - I am firmly in beleif the probability of an occurence was known in the 60's.

... legitimate political party the Rassemblement independence nationale RIN), the CLN changed its name to Front de la Liberation du Quebec (FLQ) in February

1963 and began with a serious bombing campaign (34 attacks) that year. http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vo1/no2/doc/71-84-eng.pdf

For your answer though

On 15 October the Quebec government invited the Canadian Armed Forces to Quebec to assist the local police; the following day, the federal government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, proclaimed the War Measures Act, claiming that a state of 'apprehended insurrection' existed in the province of Quebec.

Polytechnic was a mass murder - that was supposedly directed against women to "strengthen the feminist movement - or attack it"

Oddly though --

Lépine applied as an officer cadet in September 1981 at the age of 17 to the Canadian Forces but was rejected as "unsuitable" during the interview process. He got 100% in his final exam in computer programming just before the massacre

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[bloodyminded]

I was snowing on your anecdotal evidence.

That's why many of us love anecdotal evidence

So, we can ignore all your "rescued from Communism" bullcrap, as it is useless and probably untrue. Also, English is your first language, after all, and you're actually a radical leftist attempting, with varying measures of real success, to make the political Right look bad.

If you say so.

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[bloodyminded]

Bloodyminded's Mom. Here's the citation link on the Internet.

There, it is no longer anecdotal.

Thank you, Shwa.

Incidentally, I find it odd being asked to supply evidence for elementary truisms that nobody doubts: like that there are conservatives who vote Liberal, and liberals who vote Conservative...

Does everyone not agree with that unremarkable notion?

Perhaps some people confuse the lower-case 'l' and 'c' for literal Party identification. Not to name any names of these poor, unimaginative souls.....

[Saipan]

So, we can ignore all your "rescued from Communism" bullcrap, as it is useless and probably untrue.

It's your duty to ignore it. Because you'll never be able to discuss something you know from hippie of the 60's theory.

[Saipan]

I find it odd being asked to supply evidence for elementary truisms that nobody doubts

'Cause you asked every nobody what he doubts.

[bloodyminded]

It's your duty to ignore it. Because you'll never be able to discuss something you know from hippie of the 60's theory.

Are you referring to that lefty, the Dalai Lama, again?

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[Saipan]

Are you referring to that lefty, the Dalai Lama, again?

Which is his post?

[bloodyminded]

Which is his post?

Has our discussion yesterday--with my direct quotes of His Holiness' opinions--already collapsed into the dust of distant memory?

So, basically, each individual’s survival or future depends on society. We need these human values. I call these secular ethics, secular beliefs.

'I am humanitarian Marxist, I am Buddhist Marxist, I am not nationalistic Marxist, I am also a socialist.

Of all the modern economic theories, the economic system of Marxism is founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned only with gain and profitability. Marxism is concerned with the distribution of wealth on an equal basis and the equitable utilization of the means of production. It is also concerned with the fate of the working classes--that is, the majority--as well as with the fate of those who are underprivileged and in need, and Marxism cares about the victims of minority-imposed exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and it seems fair.

Asked about the development of Alberta's oilsands, he said in a choice between "destruction of environment or losing money, then we have to choose losing money."

I wrote this letter [to President Bush] and expressed, besides my condolences and sadness, a countermeasure to this tragedy: a nonviolent response because that would have been more effective. So this is my stance. And then just before the Iraq crisis started, millions of people from countries like Australia and America expressed their opposition to violence. I really admired and appreciated this.

The achievements of Western countries—in terms of the economy, education, health, and social achievements—as a result of exploitation of poorer countries, including Arab countries. Western nations get rich by using resources such as Arab oil. Meanwhile, the countries supplying them raw materials remain poor. Due to such injustices, jealousies are created.

Therefore, at the general public level we must cultivate the notion of not just one religion, one truth, but pluralism and many truths. We can change the atmosphere, and we can modify certain ways of thinking.

Then, second, there should be a spirit of dialogue. Whenever we see any disagreements, we must think how to solve them on the basis of recognition of oneness of the entire humanity. This is the modern reality. When a certain community is destroyed, in reality it destroys a part of all of us. So there should be a clear recognition that the entire humanity is just one family. Any conflict within humanity should be considered as a family conflict. We must find a solution within this atmosphere.

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[Saipan]

Non of those quotes denotes leftism.

Taking what he said out of context I could also prove The Dalai Lama was gun toting Hillbilly.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you,

it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

- - - - The Dalai Lama(May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

Same with George Orwell, Gandhi, John F. Kennedy.... and so many others.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Non of those quotes denotes leftism.

Taking what he said out of context I could also prove The Dalai Lama was gun toting Hillbilly.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you,

it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

- - - - The Dalai Lama(May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

Same with George Orwell, Gandhi, John F. Kennedy.... and so many others.

Being okay with self defence makes you a gun toting hillbilly now?

[bloodyminded]

Non of those quotes denotes leftism.

Yes, so you've said.

That he considers himself a "socialist" doesn't denote leftism. Or that he calls himself a "Marxist." Nope, doesn't sound lefty at all!

Taking what he said out of context I could also prove The Dalai Lama was gun toting Hillbilly.

Like I asked you yesterday (and which you assiduously ignored) how did I take him out of context; and what, exactly, is the proper context?

Here's your chance to explain. Consider it a challenge.

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you,

it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

- - - - The Dalai Lama(May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

That's not the sentiment of a "gun toting hillbilly." I agree with him absolutely on that point, and consider it obvious.

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[Shwa]

Thank you, Shwa.

Incidentally, I find it odd being asked to supply evidence for elementary truisms that nobody doubts: like that there are conservatives who vote Liberal, and liberals who vote Conservative...

Does everyone not agree with that unremarkable notion?

Perhaps some people confuse the lower-case 'l' and 'c' for literal Party identification. Not to name any names of these poor, unimaginative souls.....

I think everyone does agree, with the exception of Saipan, who is in a 'special' category of his own.

[Saipan]

Being okay with self defence makes you a gun toting hillbilly now?

Yes, to ALL liberal hoplophobes.

[Saipan]

I think everyone does agree, with the exception of Saipan

You'd know better than me, 'cause you asked everyone.

[bloodyminded]

Yes, to ALL liberal hoplophobes.

Hell, if you consider me a liberal, you've already proven yourself wrong.

By definition.

I don't need your help in proving you wrong, but I appreciate it!

[Shwa]

You'd know better than me, 'cause you asked everyone.

Yes, as a figure of speech, I did and do.

[Saipan]

So far you proved virtually nothing. Zilch.

Except that you have opinion.

[Bonam]

Name 3 things the NAZI's did that the Canadian or US government don't do today?

Uhhh... are you serious?

[Saipan]

That's not the sentiment of a "gun toting hillbilly." I agree with him absolutely on that point, and consider it obvious.

Then you're definitely against liberals, 'specially Michael Ignatieff's policies.

But against 99% of NDPs as well.

[William Ashley]

So how many of the 6200 civilian casualties were caused by the Canadian Forces?

I remember reading a few stories like the kid riding the bike, anyone have statistics on how any of the 6200 were Canadian "accidents"?

[Saipan]

So how many of the 6200 civilian casualties were caused by the Canadian Forces?

They would need something like deer or moose tag to do the count, but even then......

[jbg]

So how many of the 6200 civilian casualties were caused by the Canadian Forces?

Maybe if the Afghan "civilians" weren't so hospitable to the Taliban they wouldn't be in harm's way. I'm getting tired of the forces of civilization having to fight with both hands tied behind our backs while they plunge airplanes into buildings.