What can you do to stop racism?

[charter.rights]

I really can't recall being called a Limey by a Native, they may have, I wouldn't swear to it. I mean the go back where you came from part. So you are saying that if a Native says this, even if it includes Limey or not it isn't rascist?

Were you living in Edmonton at that time?

Telling someone to go back to where they came from, is another way of saying "mind your own business".

[Oleg Bach]

I imagine it is not as difficult as a noble savage trying to appear scholarly...

Nothing wrong with a noble savage trying to appear scholarly..other than it would make them a phoney...and if that phoney mind set is institutionalized and becomes common place it is then named civilzation.

The best way to get rid of racism on all sides is to get people to understand that you get more flys with honey than vinegar. That would mean teaching people the intelligent option that love is more productive and more powerful than hate..I believed there was a man who tried passing this message on 2000 years ago and he was killed for his efforts...so I guess it is safer to hate..misery loves company and mob rule gives a sense of saftey and security..

[charter.rights]

Nothing wrong with a noble savage trying to appear scholarly..other than it would make them a phoney...and if that phoney mind set is institutionalized and becomes common place it is then named civilzation.

The best way to get rid of racism on all sides is to get people to understand that you get more flys with honey than vinegar. That would mean teaching people the intelligent option that love is more productive and more powerful than hate..I believed there was a man who tried passing this message on 2000 years ago and he was killed for his efforts...so I guess it is safer to hate..misery loves company and mob rule gives a sense of saftey and security..

Thus being PC must become a principle of all society. Racism exists in ignorance, so education is needed before we even get to that point. All one need do is to take a look around this forum to see where ignorance moulds and infests simple minds.

[Oleg Bach]

Thus being PC must become a principle of all society. Racism exists in ignorance, so education is needed before we even get to that point. All one need do is to take a look around this forum to see where ignorance moulds and infests simple minds.

To ignore and be ignorant is a conscious choice. Maybe we have to teach people that the right to choose does not mean choosing badly with out consequence. To choose to hate is not a good choice...It is human kindness that keeps the world from destroying itself..so far good is winning...We have had nuclear weapons for some time and are still in existance..which means that good over powers evil (stupidity) - but not by much...we can't give up or we will perish. Racism...is only a good thing if you are oppessing a race that is totally evil..no such race exists.

[wyly]

Thus being PC must become a principle of all society. Racism exists in ignorance, so education is needed before we even get to that point. All one need do is to take a look around this forum to see where ignorance moulds and infests simple minds.

you mean like yourself claiming indigenous people aren't related to genetic asian ancestry ... that was an all time gem...it's also racist, eeew the irony... Edited November 20, 2010 by wyly

[Guest TrueMetis]

Thus being PC must become a principle of all society. Racism exists in ignorance, so education is needed before we even get to that point. All one need do is to take a look around this forum to see where ignorance moulds and infests simple minds.

You know you're right I'm replying to one of the most obvious examples right now.

[Jack Weber]

Thus being PC must become a principle of all society. Racism exists in ignorance, so education is needed before we even get to that point. All one need do is to take a look around this forum to see where ignorance moulds and infests simple minds.

This coming from a guy who thinks that most Canadians secretly want a Rwandan genocide as it relates to the native population...

[g_bambino]

As the ever eloquent Rex Murphy puts it:

Don Kellar, the putative leader [of the] self-ordained (they always are) “anti-racism” activists... dismissed the part of the audience that opposed the protesters as "old white men" and "old white ladies." So apparently it's the "anti-racists" who take skin colour into account when making their judgments, and "white" is obviously deemed second-class and unworthy. Activism works some strange transmutations. Anti-racism, meet racism: You are slope-browed twins.

University of Waterloo ignoramuses accomplish their doltish goal

Spot on!

[Who's Doing What?]

You mean like this?

"Go back to where you came from you limey...."

Nope. That is still only a pejorative. Limey is not a racist term.

While technically not RACIST it sure as heck is prejudiced.

Some of the most racist individualsI have come across are Natives or more correctly First Immigrants.

[wyly]

While technically not RACIST it sure as heck is prejudiced.

Some of the most racist individuals I have come across are Natives or more correctly First Immigrants.

technically there are no races so any slur is perjorative and "racist" regardless the identifiable ethnic or religious group it is used to insult...

calling an englishman "limey" fits the racist labeling definition...trying to seperate perjorative from racist labeling is a weak attempt to make the slurs politically acceptable...

Edited November 21, 2010 by wyly

[charter.rights]

technically there are no races so any slur is perjorative and "racist" regardless the identifiable ethnic or religious group it is used to insult...

calling an englishman "limey" fits the racist labeling definition...trying to seperate perjorative from racist labeling is a weak attempt to make the slurs politically acceptable...

Nope. Wrong again.

Racism:

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

A "limey" is not a race. It doesn't fit the definition and so calling someone that name is a pejorative.

Pejorative:

: a word or phrase that has negative connotations or that is intended to disparage or belittle : a pejorative word or phrase.

No matter how you guys try to swing it, you cannot turn pejorative into racism.

[wyly]

Nope. Wrong again.

Racism:

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination

A "limey" is not a race. It doesn't fit the definition and so calling someone that name is a pejorative.

Pejorative:

: a word or phrase that has negative connotations or that is intended to disparage or belittle : a pejorative word or phrase.

No matter how you guys try to swing it, you cannot turn pejorative into racism.

you're biologically challenged as you've demonstrated with your "indigenous people are not related to asians" claim...

you can look up a definition for tooth fairy, elf or santa claus in a dictionary that doesn't make them real, race as a biological classification does not exist regardless what you may believe...race is a personal belief not supported by biology

kaffir is not a race but it is a pejorative that is every bit as offensive as limey can be...but you have this attitude that as long as the slur(limey) is directed at a white person it's not racism but a slur directed at a person of colour is automatically racist...that's the ultimate racist double standard...

[CANADIEN]

you're biologically challenged as you've demonstrated with your "indigenous people are not related to asians" claim...

you can look up a definition for tooth fairy, elf or santa claus in a dictionary that doesn't make them real, race as a biological classification does not exist regardless what you may believe...race is a personal belief not supported by biology

kaffir is not a race but it is a pejorative that is every bit as offensive as limey can be...but you have this attitude that as long as the slur(limey) is directed at a white person it's not racism but a slur directed at a person of colour is automatically racist...that's the ultimate racist double standard...

CR reminds me more and more of those people who show the most outrageous hatred of Jews yet insist they are not anti-Semite because Jews are not the only Semites.

Edited November 22, 2010 by CANADIEN

[charter.rights]

CR reminds me more and more of those people who show the most outrageous hatred of Jews yet insist they are not anti-Semite because Jews are not the only Semites.

Not at all.

Clarifying definitions and understanding terminology is imperative to proper communication. Using red herrings to detract from that communication makes you something of a dolt.

[g_bambino]

CR reminds me more and more of those people who show the most outrageous hatred of Jews yet insist they are not anti-Semite because Jews are not the only Semites.

He's a very, very odd boy, all right.

[M.Dancer]

No matter how you guys try to swing it, you cannot turn pejorative into racism.

Nigger, Kyke, Heeb, Wop, Spic, Mick, Slant Eyes, Chink, Nip, Frog, Diaper Head, Push Start, Pull Start, Pom, Red Skin....etc etc....

Perjoratives are often racist.

[wyly]

Not at all.

Clarifying definitions and understanding terminology is imperative to proper communication. Using red herrings to detract from that communication makes you something of a dolt.

a slur directed at an individual such as butthole, jerk or dolt does not describe the person in any manner other than their personality therefore not racist...when you slur an entire group, be it religious, ethnic or visible then you've crossed the line into racism..."limey" is an ethnic slur which makes it racist...

[charter.rights]

a slur directed at an individual such as butthole, jerk or dolt does not describe the person in any manner other than their personality therefore not racist...when you slur an entire group, be it religious, ethnic or visible then you've crossed the line into racism..."limey" is an ethnic slur which makes it racist...

Wrong. Go read the definitions again.

Racism requires the "belief" that racial differences give one superiority over the others. Racial prejudice is acting on that "belief".

So if a person if using a epithet against a person of a different race in a manner to either degrade the person then it is appropriately called racism. If however, it is the same race calling another person of the same race a name it is a pejorative. A Caucasian calling another Caucasian "limey" is not racist. It doesn't meet the definition and therefor cannot by definition be racist, regardless if it is directed at an individual or a group.

So calling you a "red-haired fink" is not racist, nor is calling you a yellow-bellied skunk. Calling a guy a limey is not racist. There is no way you can swing it that way. And that is exactly the reason why fighting racism in court is pretty difficult. The accuser must prove that the offender has an intent to harm in the belief that he or she was superior.

[wyly]

Wrong. Go read the definitions again.

Racism requires the "belief" that racial differences give one superiority over the others. Racial prejudice is acting on that "belief".

your selection of definition is extremely narrow to allow you to justify racist terminiology...

now you're being deliberately obtuse (or maybe you come by it naturaly)...

here is the UN definition of racial discrimination, note that race is defined as more than visible appearance- "shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

So if a person if using a epithet against a person of a different race in a manner to either degrade the person then it is appropriately called racism. If however, it is the same race calling another person of the same race a name it is a pejorative. A Caucasian calling another Caucasian "limey" is not racist. It doesn't meet the definition and therefor cannot by definition be racist, regardless if it is directed at an individual or a group.

So calling you a "red-haired fink" is not racist, nor is calling you a yellow-bellied skunk. Calling a guy a limey is not racist. There is no way you can swing it that way. And that is exactly the reason why fighting racism in court is pretty difficult. The accuser must prove that the offender has an intent to harm in the belief that he or she was superior.

you obviously have any clue what a limey is...it has nothing to do with the colour of skin, it has nothing to do with caucasians...limey singles out "one" particular ethnic group it's not a general term for all caucasians...a pole is not a limey, an italian is not a limey...a pole calling an italian limey would stupid and incorrect, a pole calling an englishmen a limey would be racist...

your errors stem from your basic ignorance as to what is defined as a race, which explains your belief that indigenous peoples are not of asian ancestry...which is also reminiscent of another ethnic group that believed they were of superior separate genetic background than others...

[charter.rights]

your selection of definition is extremely narrow to allow you to justify racist terminiology...

now you're being deliberately obtuse (or maybe you come by it naturaly)...

here is the UN definition of racial discrimination, note that race is defined as more than visible appearance- "shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

you obviously have any clue what a limey is...it has nothing to do with the colour of skin, it has nothing to do with caucasians...limey singles out "one" particular ethnic group it's not a general term for all caucasians...a pole is not a limey, an italian is not a limey...a pole calling an italian limey would stupid and incorrect, a pole calling an englishmen a limey would be racist...

your errors stem from your basic ignorance as to what is defined as a race, which explains your belief that indigenous peoples are not of asian ancestry...which is also reminiscent of another ethnic group that believed they were of superior separate genetic background than others...

You can deny the definition all you want. Your opinion means nothing. And if you want you can find another term for it but it is not racism.

Now the term you could be looking for is ethnicism

Edited November 22, 2010 by charter.rights

[KeyStone]

So, if I were to use the term 'Towelhead', that wouldn't be racist, because it applies to a specific subset of brown-skinned people, as opposed to the entire race? Is that correct? Because towelhead is not a race?

[Guest TrueMetis]

So, if I were to use the term 'Towelhead', that wouldn't be racist, because it applies to a specific subset of brown-skinned people, as opposed to the entire race? Is that correct? Because towelhead is not a race?

If we use CR's whacked definition.

[charter.rights]

So, if I were to use the term 'Towelhead', that wouldn't be racist, because it applies to a specific subset of brown-skinned people, as opposed to the entire race? Is that correct? Because towelhead is not a race?

It depends.

If you are a brown person of the same race, then it is racist, just ethnicist. However, if you are Caucasian, then yes it is racist. It is all about belief and intent.

And TrueMetis only has half the brains of Argus, so I wouldn't listen to her.

Edited November 22, 2010 by charter.rights

[KeyStone]

So to be consistent with your rules for defining racism.

A brown man from Trinidad calling a brown man from Pakistan a towelhead is not being racist.

A white man from Canada calling a brown man from Pakistan is racist.

A white man from Canada calling an white man from England a limey is not being racist.

A brown man from Trinidad calling a white man from England a limey is being racist.

Is that accurate or have I misunderstood something about your definition of racism?

[bloodyminded]

Is that what the article says happened there?

I think it was implied by the scholarly source of Mel Gibson's Apocalypto.