takeanumber Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 your liberal friends on the hill. An overwhelming majority of Canadians are small 'l' liberal. (Estimates put it at 85%. Even most Conservatives would be considered 'l'iberals down in the states. 'liberal' isn't a dirty word in Canada. We don't need that Republican stigma imported up here. Quote
Argus Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Argus....the problem with that kind of right thinking, is that you are not taking into consideration the Canadian police, most Canadians, and most Quebeckers support the gun registration. Anyone who brought down the Conservatives over an attempt to abolish the gun registry would instsantly become Canadian and Quebec heroes. Poll on gun registration Gun registration Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino stated recently, “I’m very devastated by the amount of gun-related violence that we are experiencing here in the city of Toronto; a tremendous increase over years gone by. The difficulty of course is that we haven’t yet come across any situation where the gun registry would have enabled us to either prevent or solve any of these crimes.”Information on Gun Registry is only forthcoming from our Liberal government via demands under Freedom of Information. Fewer than 40% of the guns in Canada have been registered. A Library of Parliament report revealed that prosecution of just 10% of the non-compliant gun owners in Canada would cost another billion dollars. This would drive the overall price tag to $2-billion for a gun registry which is obviously useless to police while siphoning dollars away from law enforcement. Paul Martin was Finance Minister when the secret cost-benefit analysis was done on gun registry. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
maplesyrup Posted June 20, 2004 Author Report Posted June 20, 2004 Argus....you can pump it all you want. Most Canadians one issue with the gun registry is the cost overrun. Julian is one police chief amongst thousands. The association of police chiefs is supportive of the gun registry. Your guns are not being taken away. What are you worried about - Le BQ coming into the ROC? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
caesar Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Just what is all the resistance to gun registry. Any sensible gun owner who owns a gun for legitimate reasons has nothing to fear from registering his guns. I suspect it is this resistance to comply with the laws that has driven up the costs. Quote
Stoker Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Just what is all the resistance to gun registry. Any sensible gun owner who owns a gun for legitimate reasons has nothing to fear from registering his guns. I suspect it is this resistance to comply with the laws that has driven up the costs. The resistance is the very fact that it is a waste of our limited tax dollars.........the money should have been spent on fighting the real crooks by giving more resources to the RCMP.......not making farmers and hunters crooks. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
playfullfellow Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Just what is all the resistance to gun registry. Any sensible gun owner who owns a gun for legitimate reasons has nothing to fear from registering his guns. I suspect it is this resistance to comply with the laws that has driven up the costs. The resistance comes from people feeling the government taking over every part of our lives. Most gun owners are legitimate and very responsible with their weapons. Now, at the stroke of a pen, they have been made criminals because they feel they should not have to register their guns. Gun owners already have to jump through hoops to either buy or be in possesion of a gun. It is not the legitimate gun owners that are the problem and having a registered gun is definately not going to stop a person from killing someone if they really want to. You can take countries such a switzerland where almost every home has a gun, there is very little gun related crimes. Gun owners have to have special permits but do not need to register their guns. http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/h...act/gunown.html There are better ways to spend money than gun registry like better police enforcement, harsher penalties for violent crimes, cracking down on gangs, looking after the homeless situation. How many more police officers could 2 billion pay for? If you figure on 65,000 per year wages, then you could hire over 3000 police officers for 10 years. Now 3000 cops would go a lot further than registering guns. I know the city I live near could sure use a few extra cops. Quote
noelandmero Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Argus....you can pump it all you want. Most Canadians one issue with the gun registry is the cost overrun. Julian is one police chief amongst thousands. The association of police chiefs is supportive of the gun registry.Your guns are not being taken away. You are correct but no country in the twetieth centry that has had a gun registry in the end has not taken them away. IE britain, Austrailia and germany. Quote
Argus Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Well Argus, not everything revolves around you? The federal government does not just spend money to please YOU. You may not like the federal government contributing to the cost of infrastructureI don't care if it's to do with me or not. The federal government should be contributing to national projects. If they want to improve the trans canada highway, fine, I'm all for it. If they want to improve the coast to coast railways I'll agree. But provinces and cities should pay for their own local projects because it does not benefit the country - just them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Argus....you can pump it all you want. Most Canadians one issue with the gun registry is the cost overrun. Julian is one police chief amongst thousands. The association of police chiefs is supportive of the gun registry.Sure, why shouldn't they be? It doesn't come out of their budgets. Now if you tell them you have a billion dollars, and you can either spend it on a gun registry for rifles and shotguns, or paying for more cops or better equipment guess how many will support the gun registry?Your guns are not being taken away.What are you worried about - Le BQ coming into the ROC? I don't own a gun. I never have. I don't like guns. My problem is purely that of a taxpayer who wants his money spent properly and who has a lot of concern with violent crime, especially gun crime. I see the gun registry as something the Liberals thought of as a sort of placebo. Canadians were complaining that they were doing nothing about violent crime. So they come out with thing, which they thought would be simple, cheap, and look good to the casual observer (which is what most Canadians are). The enormous cost is why I detest the gun registry. But even if it didn't cost a lot I would not exactly support it. Becaus so far as I've been able to determine it is pretty much useless. Remember, most gun crime involves hand guns smuggled across the border from the US. And the gun registry is NOT gun control. Gun control is a whole other system, which requires people fill out forms and get background checks before they can purchase a firearm. Most people don't seem to understand that. I want a real, effective effort at reducing violent crime. I want police stings to try and buy guns in the bars and streets, and then lock up the people selling them for a long time. I want tighter security at the border to prevent smuggling (The RCMP recently pulled people off the border for lack of money). I want much stiffer penalties for people who use guns in the commision of crimes, and for people who are found in posession of illegal firearms (hand guns and automatic weapons). I'm willing to spend a billion for that, not for a placebo. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Just what is all the resistance to gun registry. Any sensible gun owner who owns a gun for legitimate reasons has nothing to fear from registering his guns. I suspect it is this resistance to comply with the laws that has driven up the costs. I have already written some of the reasons why I don't support the registry. But alongside those is the fact the registry is crap. It was ill-conceived, and poorly designed. Even the cops don't rely on it. It has duplicate entries, it has poor descriptions of some weapons. It has no decent way of updating addresses and making changes to who posesses what. They never realized that many rifles have the same serial numbers. Error rates in processing registrations are as high as 90% according to some figures. That just goes on top of the incredible cost - $1 billion according to the government now, closer to $2 billion according to Radio Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
caesar Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Cities and Provinces are part of the country. What affects provinces Actually though this is widespread and common practice. As BC seems to get the short end of the stick when it comes to federal help; I could quite agree. Why did our federal money go to Ontario for mishandling SARS. Why are we bailing out meat producers in Alberta for losses due to BSE. (Actually, I would have liked to have seen the family farmers and ranchers assisted; but seeminly most of the money went to big producers (not even to their layed off employees)Health care is a national issue and should be returned to the control and administration of our federal government. Welfare should be a federal issue. No more bus tickets to other provinces. Actually building roads in the prairies provinces is much cheaper that building in mountainous BC; so would Saskatchewan get their fair share. I do think there are lots of changes that could be made to inter governmental responsibilities but that can be a lot of interlapping responsibilities. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 Michael Moore, the Fahrenheit 9/11 filmmaker, on being told by a journalist that some people describe him as a left wing artist with conspiracy theories, responded: "Who said that? What are their names?" Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 Filmmaker Michael Moore, upon being asked by a CBC journalist if he was aware that there was an election taking place in Canada, responded: "Yes I am. Why would Canadians want to put their car in reverse?" Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Argus Posted June 22, 2004 Report Posted June 22, 2004 Filmmaker Michael Moore, upon being asked by a CBC journalist if he was aware that there was an election taking place in Canada, responded:"Yes I am. Why would Canadians want to put their car in reverse?" Uhm, because they're headed for a cliff? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
maplesyrup Posted June 22, 2004 Author Report Posted June 22, 2004 Jack Layton on the subject of Paul Martin protecting health care from Stephen Harper: "That is like putting the wolf in the henhouse to protect the chickens from the fox." Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
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