National Sex Offender Registry should be public

[Bob]

Incredibly interesting issue brought up by the Economist on the complete unjust nature of American Sex offence registry.

http://www.economist.com/node/14164614?story_id=14164614

This thread has already addressed those problems, though. The overall consensus in this thread among supporters of a Canadian registry for sex-offenders is to have special provisions which provide a common-sense distinction between certain "criminals" and the real criminals. Of course we do not want to plant a "sex-offender" label on a "criminal" who engaged in sexual activity with a 16-year-old when she was 17-years-old alongside a middle-aged man who molested his pre-teen niece.

This is yet another example of leftists (in this case nicky10013) refusing to allow themselves to make very important distinctions in a transparent attempt to completely invalidate a valuable proposition. They want to misrepresent our positions and tell us that we are trying to condemn inappropriate teenage sexual activity in the same manner as we condemn dangerous child predators. That's not what we said and that's not what we want. If you can't understand these things, then perhaps you shouldn't participate in a discussion which requires the ability to differentiate between somewhat arbitrary and subjective concepts.

More broadly, your life will suffer if you consistently need to have nuances spoonfed to you.

[GostHacked]

Since there are no other public registries for anyone who left the penal system, a national sex offender registry should not fly.

There are different types of sexual offenses, but we often hear about the children because it scares us and gets us into a certain way of thinking which can be quite dangerous.

Do we have any kind of public criminal registry at all anywhere in Canada?

Edited November 16, 2010 by GostHacked

[Bob]

Since there are no other public registries for anyone who left the penal system, a national sex offender registry should not fly.

There are different types of sexual offenses, but we often hear about the children because it scares us and gets us into a certain way of thinking which can be quite dangerous.

Do we have any kind of public criminal registry at all anywhere in Canada?

Would you oppose the development of a sex-offender registry for the protection of children? Just because we don't have it at the moment is certainly not an argument against it. What this thread is about, as far as I'm concerned, is whether or not it's worthwhile to develop a public registry of sex-offenders so that we may know where these persons live, and so that we may be more diligent in protecting children from these dangerous convicted criminals.

[Oleg Bach]

LOOKS lIKE SEX IN EVERY FORM IS NOW DEEMED OFFENSIVE...for instance..my kid was denied un-employment insurance..because of "misconduct" - supposedly he was late to many times for his job at the juice bar - at the tennis club....The real misconduct was the fact that middle management who were trying to date the hot group of receptionist chicks..but were turned down - my stupid kid managed to have sex with most of them--so I suppose the subtext was - envy - and being a young stud is considered "misconduct" - Give this politically correct world time and those that are vigor filled hetro sexuals will be deemed sex crimminals - while gays will be considered proper.

As for making this Registry public...will be a mistake...people will end up on it because of rumor and hear say...The registry should be controled by law enforcement...I could call some child protection agency and say that the guy down the street is molesting his step children...and low and behold - I could get him on the registry..just by lieing.

[GostHacked]

Would you oppose the development of a sex-offender registry for the protection of children?

Yes. Parents need to do their own job in protecting their children. It's because parents are not as involved these days with their kids, and most are content in letting technology and society do the work for them. You stop being a parent when that happens.

I've read this thread and I can't see one good reason why a public sex offender registry is needed.

Who goes on that list?

How long does one stay on the list?

What crimes (specifially) would get you on the list?

Is there ever a chance of getting off the list?

Questions I have.

The cops and federal/provincial penal systems already know where the person is when they are released. If anything they need to beef up their own private registries to track released/rehabilitated people that are trying to integrate back into society.

Just because we don't have it at the moment is certainly not an argument against it.

Those arguments were heard before the gun registry was introduced, and turned out to be a waste of time and money and manpower. So it can be seen as since we don't have it we don't need it. Just because we don't have public executions does not mean that there is not an argument against it or for it for that matter. You can fit almost anything under that categorey.

What this thread is about, as far as I'm concerned, is whether or not it's worthwhile to develop a public registry of sex-offenders so that we may know where these persons live, and so that we may be more diligent in protecting children from these dangerous convicted criminals.

And what you missed several times is that there is a number of overwhelming cases where children are molested by people they know (friend or family). You should be more worried about a family member or a close friend than a stranger that was released from prison. The registry would not help you in those cases.

There might be molestation happening right now in your family. Are you aware of that? How is the registry to protect your children from that?

Knowing a child molester or whatever is on your street leads to some interesting neighbourhood dynamics where games are played and people can get hurt or even killed. Don't be an idiot and really think all this through before you decide to have a public registry for sex offenders.

Edited November 16, 2010 by GostHacked

[Oleg Bach]

Yes. Parents need to do their own job in protecting their children. It's because parents are not as involved these days with their kids, and let most technology and society do the work for them. You stop being a parent when that happens.

I've read this thread and I can't see one good reason why a public sex offender registry is needed.

Who goes on that list?

How long does one stay on the list?

What crimes (specifially) would get you on the list?

Is there ever a chance of getting off the list?

Questions I have.

The cops and federal/provincial penal systems already know where the person is when they are released. If anything they need to beef up their own private registries to track released/rehabilitated people that are trying to integrate back into society.

Those arguments were heard before the gun registry was introduced, and turned out to be a waste of time and money and manpower. So it can be seen as since we don't have it we don't need it. Just because we don't have public executions does not mean that there is not an argument against it or for it for that matter. You can fit almost anything under that categorey.

And what you missed several times is that there is a number of overwhelming cases where children are molested by people they know (friend or family). You should be more worried about a family member or a close friend than a stranger that was released from prison. The registry would not help you in those cases.

There might be molestation happening right now in your family. Are you aware of that? How is the registry to protect your children from that?

Knowing a child molester or whatever is on your street leads to some interesting neighbourhood dynamics where games are played and people can get hurt or even killed. Don't be an idiot and really think all this through before you decide to have a public registry for sex offenders.

Law enforcement are the only ones to enforce laws- put pressure on the courts..on police to keep this disease in check..generating fear - loathing and hate...just makes the population more stupid and more vulnerable...Leave the persecution and prosecution to the authorities - they are professionals..citizens are not. Yes - those that offend children especially SHOULD be persecuted..but it should be offical...the public are not equipped to deal with this issue effectively.

[GostHacked]

Law enforcement are the only ones to enforce laws- put pressure on the courts..on police to keep this disease in check..generating fear - loathing and hate...just makes the population more stupid and more vulnerable...Leave the persecution and prosecution to the authorities - they are professionals..citizens are not. Yes - those that offend children especially SHOULD be persecuted..but it should be offical...the public are not equipped to deal with this issue effectively.

I am all for reasonable law enforcement. But parents need to step up to the plate and be parents. It can as simple as that. People are looking for a complex solution to a simple one that has already existed for centuries. That solution is proper parenting.

[guyser]

Yes, they do. For decades.

Like I said, show me where they knew they had a pedophile coaching and we'll talk.

You just saying so is not worth a pinch.

[guyser]

Fuck, do I have to spell everything out!!!!

Not at all, try being unambiguous and all will be fine.

[guyser]

I don't know about canada's sex offender list but I have seen american ones on the net and they have kids who fucked their girlfriends on them.

and there is one reason NOT to have them, even though our laws are different.

How about a 15 yr old girl taking her own pic with her phone? Charged with child porn ...and thats a fact (USA), so, you like?

I dont.

[guyser]

Your whole post boils down to prejudiced generalizations against Sicilians, or Catholics, or both. I made a clear post about a visit I made to a restaurant owned by apparently religious Sicilian Catholics. They took part in the sex-offender registry program by posting information about a released convicted sex-offender in the lobby/foyer of their restaurant. I stated my support for people like that who go out of their way to do their part towards protecting children, which certainly only took a few moments of their time. You, in a disturbing revelation of your own prejudice and bigotry, then went off on a tangent by alleging that these people are complicit in child predation because of their religious affiliation.

Me doth thinks you project too much.

You brought in the Catholic angle and I merely replied that the church in all its gloriousness has done almost SFA in dealing with a very severe problem within its own castle.

And I would bet they dont , or havent ever, put a pic of a Priest up since they are so pious.

The irony being, of course, that I'm quite certain someone like yourself (correct me if I'm wrong) would instantly lash out at someone making a similarly prejudicial and generalized statements about Muslims being terrorists-by-association simply because of their religion.

Well, if I said all catholics are implicit you may have a point.

But I didnt.

It's sad that you don't even realize you indicted all Catholics (and perhaps by extension other Christians) with your own bigoted statements. You are unable to separate between the Catholic Church and smalltown American Catholic business-owners, as the praise I shared was specifically at the business-owners and other people like themselves to do small things to enhance the safety of their communities. While people like that volunteer their time with organizations like a neighbourhood watch, you snicker and sneer at them while accusing them of being too zealous because they asked a group of teenager a few questions.

Huh?

Neighbourhood watch?Ask teenagers questions?

Did I miss something?

[guyser]

...as far as I'm concerned, is whether or not it's worthwhile to develop a public registry of sex-offenders so that we may know where these persons live, and so that we may be more diligent in protecting children from these dangerous convicted criminals.

How about you protect your children and stop asking the state to do so?

Not to mention the concerns re pedophiles are generally in your family or close circle of friends.

[Bob]

The opposition to the concept of the sex-offender registry coming from guyser and GostHacked is based on the perspective that most, or even many, sex-offences against children are performed by family or others with close access to the child. So, because there the proposition doesn't help in all cases it's not worth doing? That's like being opposed to the R.I.D.E. program because you can't check ever car on every highway.

The proposition for publicly-accessible sex-offender registry is a low-cost option to help parents do their job. You both are making nonsense statements about parents not doing their jobs, while at the same time opposing a tool that would improve parents' abilities to do their job: to protect their children. Being cognizant of the whereabouts of sex-offenders is just another tools parents can use. If you want to concurrently increase the enforcement of existing policies by improving monitoring of known sex-offender, I'm all for that. We don't necessarily have to choose between increasing existing enforcement/monitoring/follow-up and producing a public sex-offender registry.

Lastly, I think a public sex-offender registry would most certainly serve a strong deterrent. I am really not concerned about how privacy issues factor into this issue when dealing with the most reprehensible criminals.

As far as the logistics of who would be on, for how long, for what crimes, and possible removal from the list... who knows? There are obviously several worthwhile approaches to this endeavour.

guyser- Don't think for a second that anyone doesn't realize that you slandered all Catholics without explicitly saying so. You don't need to say "I'm prejudiced against Catholics" to reveal your bigotry.

[guyser]

Lastly, I think a public sex-offender registry would most certainly serve a strong deterrent. I am really not concerned about how privacy issues factor into this issue when dealing with the most reprehensible criminals.

Deterrent for what?

Yes, I know you are concerned with rights, until of course yours are violated.

(now here comes the "why do you support sex offenders? bullshit)

guyser- Don't think for a second that anyone doesn't realize that you slandered all Catholics without explicitly saying so. You don't need to say "I'm prejudiced against Catholics" to reveal your bigotry.

Fondle your necklace and say a prayer for me will ya John Paul?

It aint catholics that are the problem, just the pious ones and of course the Pope is the most vile of 'em all.

Pull the sand out of your mangina will ya ?