Charlton Heston wants long-gun registry scrapped...

[Saipan]

As someone just commented:

"To attempt to link Licensing and registry with crime control is to suggest that Rosie O'Donnell is fat because of spoons."

[eyeball]

That doesn't seem to have stopped the people so against the registry from using the issue to segue to their version of how crime should be controlled, which according to many experts who's business it actually is to control crime, is only guaranteed to make things worse, not better.

[Saipan]

That doesn't seem to have stopped the people so against the registry from using the issue to segue to their version of how crime should be controlled, which according to many experts who's business it actually is to control crime, is only guaranteed to make things worse, not better.

Crime Control makes it worse?

How does that works?

Do you have actual stats?

[eyeball]

Crime Control makes it worse?

No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again.

[Saipan]

No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again.

Wrong answers. There were three questions.

[eyeball]

They were wrong too.

[Saipan]

They were wrong too.

What makes questions wrong?

Edited January 6, 2011 by Saipan

[eyeball]

What makes questions wrong?

Not what, who. In this case you.

[Saipan]

Not what, who. In this case you.

You said "they" (the questions) were wrong.

What makes them wrong?

[guyser]

You said "they" (the questions) were wrong.

What makes them wrong?

No he didnt .

[Saipan]

eyeball, on 05 January 2011 - 06:59 PM, said:

That doesn't seem to have stopped the people so against the registry from using the issue to segue to their version of how crime should be controlled, which according to many experts who's business it actually is to control crime, is only guaranteed to make things worse, not better.

Crime Control makes it worse?

How does that works?

Do you have actual stats?

[eyeball]

Crime Control makes it worse?

In my opinion and in the opinion of many experts the Conservative approach to fighting and preventing crime will make crime worse.

In the meantime, there is still the need to scrap the gun-registry and replace it with real gun control, not because of criminals but because of the million Canadians who can be expected to be afflicted with dementia in the next 20 years or so.

If you've ever had any experience whatsoever at all with people who are not in control of their faculties you definitely don't want them near a gun. 1 million demented people in a country with up to 5 million guns is a recipe for...a lot of dead people.

That said I suppose we could just continue to assume mental illness is actually a case of moral failure and decrepitude and treat anyone who snaps like a criminal. If that doesn't make crime worse it will certainly make being mentally ill worse.

Edited January 7, 2011 by eyeball

[Saipan]

In my opinion and in the opinion of many experts the Conservative approach to fighting and preventing crime will make crime worse.

Because the criminals get mad at us for being more strict?

In the meantime, there is still the need to scrap the gun-registry and replace it with real gun control

What would that be?

not because of criminals but because of the million Canadians who can be expected to be afflicted with dementia in the next 20 years or so.

So it's the demented geezers are doing the shooting in the streets not the teens and 20's something gangs. Who'd have thought

If you've ever had any experience whatsoever at all with people who are not in control of their faculties you definitely don't want them near a gun. 1 million demented people in a country with up to 5 million guns is a recipe for...a lot of dead people.

WHERE did that happen?

And what makes you think it's only 5 million guns????

[eyeball]

So it's the demented geezers are doing the shooting in the streets not the teens and 20's something gangs. Who'd have thought

Not you I guess.

[Saipan]

I didn't expect any straight answers. So I'm not disappointed.

[eyeball]

I didn't expect any straight answers. So I'm not disappointed.

I made your day then. That's good.

[Saipan]

Actually that is superb

[Saipan]

Sigmund Freud:

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)

[Saipan]

Aaron Derfel

The Gazette

QUEBEC Scrawled prescription notes might be causing

potentially fatal medication errors, a doctor suggested yesterday at

the annual convention of the Canadian Medication Association.

Medication errors might be to blame for as many as 2,500 deaths a

year in Canada, said Dr. Stuart MacLeod, professor of clinical

epidemiology at McMaster University................

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Now imagine the TV news and papers if we had that many

people accidentally shot.

[Battletoads]

Sigmund Freud:

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)

Funny, Freud never actually said that.

Do try and do just a little bit of research before you open that hole of yours.

Edited January 13, 2011 by Battletoads

[Bonam]

In my opinion and in the opinion of many experts the Conservative approach to fighting and preventing crime will make crime worse.

In the meantime, there is still the need to scrap the gun-registry and replace it with real gun control, not because of criminals but because of the million Canadians who can be expected to be afflicted with dementia in the next 20 years or so.

If you've ever had any experience whatsoever at all with people who are not in control of their faculties you definitely don't want them near a gun. 1 million demented people in a country with up to 5 million guns is a recipe for...a lot of dead people.

That said I suppose we could just continue to assume mental illness is actually a case of moral failure and decrepitude and treat anyone who snaps like a criminal. If that doesn't make crime worse it will certainly make being mentally ill worse.

Obviously people with serious mental disorders should not be allowed to purchase firearms. That doesn't mean firearms need to be more heavily restricted for people who are sane.

[eyeball]

Obviously people with serious mental disorders should not be allowed to purchase firearms. That doesn't mean firearms need to be more heavily restricted for people who are sane.

It's if or when sane people become mentally ill that the problem of access to guns arises.

One in five ordinary Canadians can expect to suffer a mental illness of some kind in their lifetime and then there is the wave of dementia that medical experts predicts will afflict up to an additional million Canadians. We don't have to look very far these days to find some very deadly and graphic examples of what can happen when the demented take up arms.

Consider the lack of resources available for dealing with mental illness in Canada. The saddest cases will those in which a sane individual who is at their wits end trying to care for a demented loved one decides to end both their suffering. Perhaps this will finally move society to take a more sympathetic view towards the mentally ill but the sad reality is that attitudes towards them still verge on the midaevil, sort of like attitudes towards guns.

Mental illness: The 'final frontier' of accepted discrimination

Nearly one in two Canadians believes mental illness isn’t always “real” but a cop out for bad behaviour and personal weakness

[segnosaur]

In the meantime, there is still the need to scrap the gun-registry and replace it with real gun control, not because of criminals but because of the million Canadians who can be expected to be afflicted with dementia in the next 20 years or so.

Ummm... just out of curiosity, what type of 'dementia' are you referring to? Are you referring to the loss of mental abilities in anyone, or are you specifically referring to those affected by aging?

If you are referring specifically to those affected by aging, do you have any evidence that those affected by "senile dementia" (or things like Alzheimer's disease) are more likely to engage in shooting incidents than their unaffected peers?

And if you're referring to the entire population of dementia sufferers, won't the population of 'younger' suffers grow along with the population (so that we won't necessarily see an increase in the per capita murder rate)?

[Saipan]

It's if or when sane people become mentally ill that the problem of access to guns arises.

Any example?

[eyeball]

Ummm... just out of curiosity, what type of 'dementia' are you referring to? Are you referring to the loss of mental abilities in anyone, or are you specifically referring to those affected by aging?

Both.

If you are referring specifically to those affected by aging, do you have any evidence that those affected by "senile dementia" (or things like Alzheimer's disease) are more likely to engage in shooting incidents than their unaffected peers?

You mean, this really isn't a no-brainer?

Guns and Alzheimers Don't Mix: Removing Weapons from Loved Ones' Possession

Will Charlton Heston Have To Give Up His Guns?

PENTICTON, British Colombia, August 31, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An elderly man shot his wife and then ended his own life in a murder-suicide at Penticton Regional Hospital Tuesday afternoon, in a murder-suicide referred to as an “act of compassion” by media reports. John McCadden was 77—his 80-year-old wife, Lorna McCadden, had been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimers disease the previous week, the Globe and Mail reported.

Source

This last story links to a Nat. (US) Firearm Survey that says more than a quarter of people ages 65 and older own guns.

Guns in Frail Hands

And if you're referring to the entire population of dementia sufferers, won't the population of 'younger' suffers grow along with the population (so that we won't necessarily see an increase in the per capita murder rate)?

I have no idea, but if you're concerned that 1 million potential elderly dementia sufferers (in Canada) won't be enough to tip the balance towards taking a more precautionary approach towards gun possession try adding all the other causes of mental illness plus the number of people who can expect to get sick from these to the mix. In Canada, they're 1 in 5.