More lies from the Liberal leader

[punked]

"Everything that has ever happened to me that has been good in my life happened because I have had the enormous good fortune of being a Canadian citizen. Born here. Educated here. Had a publicly-funded education here that gave me my start."

It’s a well-known fact that, from the age of 11, Mr. Ignatieff attended Upper Canada College — which is about as elite an education as you can get in our country. So well-known is this fact that it’s hard to believe the Liberal Leader thought that he could get away with the kind of little white lies that are the specialty of crowd-pleasing politicians. Indeed, the truthfulness of Mr. Ignatieff’s remarks is already being called into question.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/spector-vision/mr-ignatieffs-publicly-funded-education/article1655715/

It might be small but it just shows his character.

[Shakeyhands]

A Shady post from you Punked???

[nicky10013]

Anything from the Conservative writers to get away from the joint "census/where is Harper hiding?" stories.

[punked]

A Shady post from you Punked???

You saw it here first. No I am tired of no policy coming from the Liberals then the Leader pretends to be a "regular" Canadian when he went to the most expensive private school in Canada.

[Moonbox]

This is kind of a dumb thread.

[punked]

This is kind of a dumb thread.

It highlights the point that the "Liberal Summer Tour" has no policy, no news, and reporters show up to it to only find these stories. No ideas.

[nicky10013]

This is kind of a dumb thread.

Yup, especially considering Ignatieff did start off with public school. Nothing Ignatieff said was a lie. Like I said, just a desperate attempt for him to temporarily change the channel while calling him an elitist at the same time. Epitome of garbage journalism.

[punked]

Seems like it is spreading through the media though. Maybe because the Liberals have offered nothing else in terms of story. No policy no differences no nothing.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/07/28/14852951.html

[nicky10013]

Seems like it is spreading through the media though. Maybe because the Liberals have offered nothing else in terms of story. No policy no differences no nothing.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/07/28/14852951.html

Since when do dippers read the sun?

[punked]

Since when do dippers read the sun?

Can't get all my news from the rabble. Even read the star sometimes.

[ToadBrother]

You saw it here first. No I am tired of no policy coming from the Liberals then the Leader pretends to be a "regular" Canadian when he went to the most expensive private school in Canada.

Oh come on, politicians have been doing that since the beginning of time. Elizabeth I famously appeared among the troops at Tilbury in armor to give them a rousing speech, a kind of "I'm one of you moment".

Let's harken back a couple of years to Stephen Harper appearing in a Mr. Dressup sweater trying himself to look like "one of us", despite the fact that other than his stint in a right-wing think tank, the guy has been a political animal since he was a teenager.

[nicky10013]

Oh come on, politicians have been doing that since the beginning of time. Elizabeth I famously appeared among the troops at Tilbury in armor to give them a rousing speech, a kind of "I'm one of you moment".

Let's harken back a couple of years to Stephen Harper appearing in a Mr. Dressup sweater trying himself to look like "one of us", despite the fact that other than his stint in a right-wing think tank, the guy has been a political animal since he was a teenager.

And right wing think tanks have absolutely nothing to do with politics, either.

[Argus]

Let's harken back a couple of years to Stephen Harper appearing in a Mr. Dressup sweater trying himself to look like "one of us", despite the fact that other than his stint in a right-wing think tank, the guy has been a political animal since he was a teenager.

Do you honestly think Harper doesn't own or wear sweaters, that he wears suits and ties even around the house or at the cottage?

[Moonbox]

It highlights the point that the "Liberal Summer Tour" has no policy, no news, and reporters show up to it to only find these stories. No ideas.

Well we already knew that. Even most Liberal supporters know that and are disgusted with the guy. It's like beating a dead horse now.

Yup, especially considering Ignatieff did start off with public school. Nothing Ignatieff said was a lie. Like I said, just a desperate attempt for him to temporarily change the channel while calling him an elitist at the same time. Epitome of garbage journalism.

Pretty much. I'm certainly no friend of the Liberals, but attack him on his flip flopping, integrity and his blatant opportunism. What schools he went to growing up don't matter at all.

[Molly]

And right wing think tanks have absolutely nothing to do with politics, either.

Oh, Nicky! Is that supposed to be sarcastic?

[punked]

Pretty much. I'm certainly no friend of the Liberals, but attack him on his flip flopping, integrity and his blatant opportunism. What schools he went to growing up don't matter at all.

But it is more of him flip flopping. He attended public school only until his father qualified to send him to private school on the public dime. We paid for him to go to those private schools now he is talking about the great education he got off the Canadian dime, yes because his 30,000 dollar tuition to go to the most expensive school in Canada because he was to good for our public schools. It is a slap in the face.

[Topaz]

There's saying, "Don't sweat the small stuff" and this applies here, its the BIG lies like the Tories and Harper have told are the most concerning! Until Iggy get into the PMO, then we'll worry about lies, right now its Harper's.

[Moonbox]

There's saying, "Don't sweat the small stuff" and this applies here, its the BIG lies like the Tories and Harper have told are the most concerning! Until Iggy get into the PMO, then we'll worry about lies, right now its Harper's.

No Topaz it's naive and stupid to think that way. If people are consistently lying about the small stuff you know they'll lie about the big stuff. Why lie if it's a small or non-issue?

[nicky10013]

Well we already knew that. Even most Liberal supporters know that and are disgusted with the guy. It's like beating a dead horse now.

Uhhh....how many Liberal supporters do you know that you can officially say that most party people are disgusted with the guy? Being not only a resident of the GTA but a member of the party, I think I can say that I've met a few people who have reservations, but most of the party supports him. The media reports of party disunity are indeed damaging but not the entire story. You get a guy like Denis Coderre who just wants to make a name for himself by refusing to go along with "Toronto Liberals" and all of a sudden one guy's action in the press is the revolt of the entire caucus. Papers of course, won't cover the fact that Coderre had Ignatieff in for a fundraiser the other week and all is well. People forget that in any place in Canada but Toronto, you can make political hay by attacking Toronto. Bottom story is, that the reports of the death of the party are far exaggerated. The caucus and the party are far more united than one would otherwise think.

Pretty much. I'm certainly no friend of the Liberals, but attack him on his flip flopping, integrity and his blatant opportunism. What schools he went to growing up don't matter at all.

Of course, the attacking of the flip-flipping, integrity and blatant opportunism goes all ways. Let's not forget income trusts,. afhgan documents, proroguement of parliament etc. etc. etc.

Edited July 29, 2010 by nicky10013

[nicky10013]

Oh, Nicky! Is that supposed to be sarcastic?

You know me well.

[ToadBrother]

Do you honestly think Harper doesn't own or wear sweaters, that he wears suits and ties even around the house or at the cottage?

That wasn't really the point. That little weird little Tommy Shanks television spot was downright creepy, though it was meant to communicate to all of us that Harper was just a "regular guy". When you look at the guy's career and accomplishments (good and bad), the one thing you can figure out pretty quick is that he's not Johnny Canuck. I'm not saying that that's bad. People who manage to achieve the highest elected office in the land, and before that manage to merge together to battling factions of an entire political wing, just are not ordinary guys. The point was that politicians will always try to seem like "regular guys", to become "one of us", even when, when you look below the sweater, cowboy hat or whatever else they have carefully prepared to make themselves physically appear among the masses (hence my bringing up Elizabeth I's famous speech at Tilbury) like those they are trying to convince or enamor.

It's part of the whole baby kissing routine, and Harper and Iggy are no different than countless other political leaders through time, the whole "man of the people" routine. Some are more convincing than others, of course. But in the case of both Harper and Iggy, it just isn't that convincing. One was been a politician in one form or another since adolescence and the other was raised in privilege and spent decades in academia. There is nothing ordinary about either one, but both need to, if they are to be even half-way successful, appear accessible and, yes, ordinary.

Edited July 29, 2010 by ToadBrother

[nicky10013]

That wasn't really the point. That little weird little Tommy Shanks television spot was downright creepy, though it was meant to communicate to all of us that Harper was just a "regular guy". When you look at the guy's career and accomplishments (good and bad), the one thing you can figure out pretty quick is that he's not Johnny Canuck. I'm not saying that that's bad. People who manage to achieve the highest elected office in the land, and before that manage to merge together to battling factions of an entire political wing, just are not ordinary guys. The point was that politicians will always try to seem like "regular guys", to become "one of us", even when, when you look below the sweater, cowboy hat or whatever else they have carefully prepared to make themselves physically appear among the masses (hence my bringing up Elizabeth I's famous speech at Tilbury) like those they are trying to convince or enamor.

It's part of the whole baby kissing routine, and Harper and Iggy are no different than countless other political leaders through time, the whole "man of the people" routine. Some are more convincing than others, of course. But in the case of both Harper and Iggy, it just isn't that convincing. One was been a politician in one form or another since adolescence and the other was raised in privilege and spent decades in academia. There is nothing ordinary about either one, but both need to, if they are to be even half-way successful, appear accessible and, yes, ordinary.

I would say that their professional lives aren't ordinary. But I'm sure both professional politicans and academics (I've met some of the latter) who in their day to day lives are "ordinary" in the sense that they go home, spend time with their kids, have a barbeque every now and again etc. etc. etc. I think part of the problem is we have unrealistic expectations about what we want to see in public as opposed to what happens in private.

[Keepitsimple]

The point is...he told a bald-faced lie about himself - trying to make himself seem more.....Canadian. Martin, Chretien, Harper, Dion - they wouldn't lie about themselves in that fashion. It speaks to his character - he's played loose and fast with many statements.

[nicky10013]

The point is...he told a bald-faced lie about himself - trying to make himself seem more.....Canadian. Martin, Chretien, Harper, Dion - they wouldn't lie about themselves in that fashion. It speaks to his character - he's played loose and fast with many statements.

No he didn't.

[ToadBrother]

The point is...he told a bald-faced lie about himself - trying to make himself seem more.....Canadian. Martin, Chretien, Harper, Dion - they wouldn't lie about themselves in that fashion. It speaks to his character - he's played loose and fast with many statements.

Oh, stuff the fake outrage. There are plenty of real reasons to be critical of Iggy, but he isn't the first politician to try to rewrite his past and he won't be the last. Harper did it in turn, so did Chretien, Martin, Mulroney, Trudeau and on and on and on and on.