Canada’s Israel Lobby

[Jack Weber]

What a fool...

Get this mental picture...

Adolph Hitler...

In a court jester's outfit...

[naomiglover]

What a fool...

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Maybe instead of trying to fight against facts, you should make jub jub jokes like Jack Weber.

[ToadBrother]

In naomiglover's angry and unemployed world, she'd advocate taking ownership of media outlets because there are too many Jews running the show! Can't let the Jews make too much money, now... Let's put a quota on Jewish enrolment in universities, while we're at it - they are overrepresented in universities, proportional to their population! If we have too many Jews in universities, they'll end up influencing academia in a pro-Israel manner, just as they've done to media and politics!

In next week's column, Naomi explains the truth behind blood libel and details the international Jewish conspiracy to control the world. Tune in, turn on, tune out!

Edited June 17, 2010 by ToadBrother

[Jack Weber]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Maybe instead of trying to fight against facts, you should make jub jub jokes like Jack Weber.

What about that court jester thing??

That's hilarious anytime....

Edited June 17, 2010 by Jack Weber

[naomiglover]

I have to make a correction and change my numbers a bit:

From 2002:

In 2000, CanWest bought up the Hollinger and Southam newspaper holdings from conservative media mogul Conrad Black (who was profiled in Extra!, 11-12/96). In 2001, it acquired majority control of Black’s National Post, a Toronto-based Canada-wide daily.

In addition to the National Post, CanWest now [many of them have been sold now due to debt] owns 14 large city dailies, 120 smaller dailies and weeklies, and the Global TV network, Canada’s second-largest private broadcaster.

This is all a conspiracy!

[Jack Weber]

I used to watch the Looney Tunes cartoons...

I really like Foghorn Leghorn and Yosimite Sam...

[naomiglover]

Who says Izzy Asper, an openly advocate of Israel and part of an Israeli lobby owned a major share of Canadian media?

It's all a conspiracy!

Forget about facts, let us just scream conspiracy until the uncomfortable truth is drowned!

[Jack Weber]

Who here likes Thin Lizzy?

Phil Lynotte was an underrated bassist...

[M.Dancer]

Who says Izzy Asper, an openly advocate of Israel and part of an Israeli lobby owned a major share of Canadian media?

It's all a conspiracy!

Forget about facts, let us just scream conspiracy until the uncomfortable truth is drowned!

Back tracking now? From almost 50% of the newspapers which factually false to...a major share?

[bloodyminded]

Dear Toadbrother and Jack Weber (I'd say M. Dancer too, but once he called me a pedophile, and he has never forgiven me for his calling me a pedophile, so he ignores my posts):

Are you aware that your cohort here, with whom you're gleefully agreeing point for point, is explicitly a racist?

Unlike naomiglover's alleged racism, your friend's racism has been open and explicit.

(Oh...so has Bonam's.)

So...Toadbrother and Jack Weber, I am asking you specifically and directly, since you have managed to coyly evade all issues that make you uncomfortable: do you agree with the racist remarks about the Palestinians?

Specifically, do you agree with bob that they are "a disease" (replace "Palestinian" with "Jew" and tell me what you think...since you are evidently natively unable to perceive racism against anyone but close allies to the Canadians and Americans, in typical indoctrinated fashion).

Do you agree with Bonam that they are "savages"? (again, before you answer in the affirmative, simply perform the easy act of word replacement.)

OK...so why don't you go after the hardcore, explicit racists here? You expend a lot of time smugly mocking naomiglover...

I mean, if such forms of bigotry actually, honestly bother you...

Well, to be honest, I don't think they do. I don't think you two are being serious at all.

No wonder you guys like to deride the "looney left": your sympathies lie with the radical ultraconservative racists.

Edited June 17, 2010 by bloodyminded

[M.Dancer]

I have to make a correction and change my numbers a bit:

From 2002:

In 2000, CanWest bought up the Hollinger and Southam newspaper holdings from conservative media mogul Conrad Black (who was profiled in Extra!, 11-12/96). In 2001, it acquired majority control of Black’s National Post, a Toronto-based Canada-wide daily.

In addition to the National Post, CanWest now [many of them have been sold now due to debt] owns 14 large city dailies, 120 smaller dailies and weeklies, and the Global TV network, Canada’s second-largest private broadcaster.

This is all a conspiracy!

You are part of it...

even with ...120 dailies (perhaps not quite) still doesn't give them a 40% share

[Bob]

I didn't say Palestinians are a disease, what I said was they (as a consequence of their cultural, religious, and political leanings) can be likened to a natural hazard (like a disease) with respect to the risk they pose the lives of Israelis. Like an earthquake or an epidemic, they are a natural hazard to the lives of Israelis, specifically Jews.

When it becomes unacceptable to call for the destruction of Israel and despicable to call for the wholesale murder of Jews among Palestinians and the broader Arab and Muslim collective, then we can talk. There's nothing inherently wrong with the DNA of these people, but there is certainly an open hostility to Jews and Israel that is prevalent among them. Recognizing reality does not make someone racist.

[naomiglover]

Back tracking now? From almost 50% of the newspapers which factually false to...a major share?

I never backtrack unless I have made a mistake.

You still have not shown what the exact percentage is to try to dispute the 'half' comment made in the article.

To me, it doesn't matter if it's 40%, 50% or 60%. It is still a very LARGE share of the Canadian media that was owned for a significant period of time by a self-described zionist who was part of the Israeli lobby in Canada.

Keep screaming conspiracy like it makes sense.

[bloodyminded]

I didn't say Palestinians are a disease, what I said was they (as a consequence of their cultural, religious, and political leanings) can be likened to a natural hazard (like a disease) with respect to the risk they pose the lives of Israelis. Like an earthquake or an epidemic, they are a natural hazard to the lives of Israelis, specifically Jews.

When it becomes unacceptable to call for the destruction of Israel and despicable to call for the wholesale murder of Jews among Palestinians and the broader Arab and Muslim collective, then we can talk. There's nothing inherently wrong with the DNA of these people, but there is certainly an open hostility to Jews and Israel that is prevalent among them. Recognizing reality does not make someone racist.

Ah. So if someone says, "I'm not saying Jews are a disease, I'm just saying they can be likened to a disease," you wouldn't find that antisemitic.

Please.

I know I would.

[Bob]

Only a moron would suggest that Bonam's description of certain cultures as "savages" is racist. How else do you describe a culture that practises female genital mutilation? What about marrying off children as property? What about passionate advocacy and engagement in wholesale murder and terrorism? What about imprisonment, torture, and murder or political and religious dissidents? What about honour killings? What about oppression of women and minorities? So you need more examples? What about denial of social and economic freedoms?

Only a fucked up person would be opposed to describing these practices as "savage".

[Jack Weber]

Dear Toadbrother and Jack Weber (I'd say M. Dancer too, but once he called me a pedophile, and he has never forgiven me for his calling me a pedophile, so he ignores my posts):

Are you aware that your cohort here, with whom you're gleefully agreeing point for point, is explicitly a racist?

Unlike naomiglover's alleged racism, your friend's racism has been open and explicit.

(Oh...so has Bonam's.)

So...Toadbrother and Jack Weber, I am asking you specifically and directly, since you have managed to coyly evade all issues that make you uncomfortable: do you agree with the racist remarks about the Palestinians?

Specifically, do you agree with bob that they are "a disease" (replace "Palestinian" with "Jew" and tell me what you think...since you are evidently natively unable to perceive racism against anyone but close allies to the Canadians and Americans, in typical indoctrinated fashion).

Do you agree with Bonam that they are "savages"? (again, before you answer in the affirmative, simply perform the easy act of word replacement.)

OK...so why don't you go after the hardcore, explicit racists here? You expend a lot of time smugly mocking naomiglover...

I mean, if such forms of bigotry actually, honestly bother you...

Well, to be honest, I don't think they do. I don't think you two are being serious at all.

No wonder you guys like to deride the "looney left": your sympathies lie with the radical ultraconservative racists.

I'm not particularily fond of Bob's stance...It's far too rigid...Frankly his terminology is ugly,but not entirely unwarranted..

The reason I'm responding is such an absurd manner is because this is another post from the same person who is clearly,singularily obsessed with this topic.

It has become obnoxious.The OP has spammed an entire board here with alot of vitriol.I have'nt called here a racist,nor do I agree with anyone calling the Palestinian savages.

I am simply tire of the one trick pony going off,and now using this board as some sort of venue to spill her obsessed guts on this topic.

This thrad is just another inane rant by the OP...So I thought I would be equally inane...and off topic(just to add to the absurdity)

Edited June 17, 2010 by Jack Weber

[bloodyminded]

Only a moron would suggest that Bonam's description of certain cultures as "savages" is racist. How else do you describe a culture that practises female genital mutilation? What about marrying off children as property? What about passionate advocacy and engagement in wholesale murder and terrorism? What about imprisonment, torture, and murder or political and religious dissidents? What about honour killings? What about oppression of women and minorities? So you need more examples? What about denial of social and economic freedoms?

Only a fucked up person would be opposed to describing these practices as "savage".

He didn't describe any practice as "savage." He referred to the "millions of savages" that comprise the Palestinians.

Do you racists genuinely not even know that you're racist?

[bloodyminded]

I'm not particularily fond of Bob's stance...It's far too rigid...Frankly his terminology is ugly,but not entirely unwarranted.

Calling the Palestinians "a disease" is unwarranted. It's outright racism.

The reason I'm responding is such an absurd manner is because this is another post from the same person who is clearly,singularily obsessed with this topic.

It has become obnoxious.The OP has spammed an entire board here with alot of vitriol.I have'nt called here a racist,nor do I agree with anyone calling the Palestinian savages.

I am simply tire of the one trick pony going off,and now using this board as some sort of venue to spill her obsessed guts on this topic.

This thrad is just another inane rant by the OP...So I thought I would be equally inane...and off topic(just to add to the absurdity)

[Bob]

Ah. So if someone says, "I'm not saying Jews are a disease, I'm just saying they can be likened to a disease," you wouldn't find that antisemitic.

Please.

I know I would.

You'd be justified if we advocated and participated in disturbing practises. When Jews start sitting on welfare in huge numbers, having huge families with little to no family income, marrying off our children as property, not contributing to society and our economies, engaging in mass terrorism and murdering thousands of people, openly declaring war on the West and its freedoms, practising female genital mutilation, teaching our children than non-Jewish people are subhuman, denying the Holocaust's occurrence, moving to impose Jewish halachic law on the country and the world, moving to imprison and execute non-Jews and political opponents, kidnapping and beheading journalists, blowing up hotels, embassies, hotels, restaurants, etc... then you'll have a point.

Until that day, please don't pretend that Jews and Palestinians can be compared as equal peoples with compatible values.

[bloodyminded]

You'd be justified if we advocated and participated in disturbing practises. When Jews start sitting on welfare in huge numbers, having huge families with little to no family income, marrying off our children as property, not contributing to society and our economies, engaging in mass terrorism and murdering thousands of people, openly declaring war on the West and its freedoms, practising female genital mutilation, teaching our children than non-Jewish people are subhuman, denying the Holocaust's occurrence, moving to impose Jewish halachic law on the country and the world, moving to imprison and execute non-Jews and political opponents, kidnapping and beheading journalists, blowing up hotels, embassies, hotels, restaurants, etc... then you'll have a point.

Until that day, please don't pretend that Jews and Palestinians can be compared as equal peoples with compatible values.

So...racism is ok, so long as you consider it warranted.

The White Supremacists think exactly as you do. I've read lots of their posts. And as you know, they're no friends of yours. I wouldn't follow their example.

[Jack Weber]

Calling the Palestinians "a disease" is unwarranted. It's outright racism.

I agree that impugning an entire group of peple like that is bigotry...It would be better if that person abhored some of the practices of those people instead..

But I can't speak for that person,plus,it's hard to deny that those things are'nt happening...

[Bob]

He didn't describe any practice as "savage." He referred to the "millions of savages" that comprise the Palestinians.

Do you racists genuinely not even know that you're racist?

That's inaccurate? When two Jewish service persons mistakenly drove into Ramallah and were arrested and subsequently ripped to pieces by hundreds of cheering Palestinians, tossing their body parts around as tokens of victory, how else can we describe that but a population of animals? What about the many other kidnappings, torture and subsequent murder of Jews by Palestinians? When they openly danced in the streets when thousands were murdered on 9/11, was that savage? When they teach their children through Sesame-Street-esque puppet shows on TV (yes, they have television and their own TV shows) that Jews are vermin and that there is no such thing as Israel, is that not savage? When they glorify martyrdom by strapping oneself with bombs to walk into a synagogue and murder and maim Jews on Passover, is that not the behaviour of savages? When the popular government openly call for Israel's destruction and the liquidation of Jews, can we then describe them as animals? At what point does the generalization become fair? How many decades of terror and how many thousands of Jews must be murdered (in Israel and abroad) and injured before we can say to ourselves, "you know, these Palestinians are largely messed up, they need to change"?

Like I said, you're too ignorant and hate-filled, which is ironic because you're entirely detached and have no stake in this conflict. You can't be helped. I only respond out of fear that some honest person might read your garbage and believe it.

Edited June 17, 2010 by Bob

[Bob]

I agree that impugning an entire group of peple like that is bigotry...It would be better if that person abhored some of the practices of those people instead..

But I can't speak for that person,plus,it's hard to deny that those things are'nt happening...

I was clear about labelling the cultural practices (terrorism and incitement, specifically) as equivalent to a natural threat to Israeli security, like an earthquake or an epidemic. How anyone can reject this reality is beyond me. I'm not gonna walk on eggshells with matters of life and death.

[Bob]

So...racism is ok, so long as you consider it warranted.

The White Supremacists think exactly as you do. I've read lots of their posts. And as you know, they're no friends of yours. I wouldn't follow their example.

There is nothing wrong with recognizing trends among particular groups of people that are entirely contrary to universal values of liberty and freedom. You see a world that isn't really there. Again, it's easy for you to spew your idiocy from the comfort of your Canadian home - Canada isn't representative of the majority of the world, and especially not comparable to Arab and Muslim populations in the Middle East.

[Jack Weber]

That's inaccurate? When two Jewish service persons mistakenly drove into Ramallah and were arrested and subsequently ripped to pieces by hundreds of cheering Palestinians, how else can we describe that but a population of animals? What about the many other kidnappings, torture and subsequent murder of Jews by Palestinians? When they openly danced in the streets when thousands were murdered on 9/11, was that savage? When they teach their children through Sesame-Street-esque puppet shows on TV (yes, they have television and their own TV shows) that Jews are vermin and that there is no such thing as Israel, is that not savage? When they glorify martyrdom by strapping oneself with bombs to walk into a synagogue and murder and maim Jews on Passover, is that not the behaviour of savages? When the popular government openly call for Israel's destruction and the liquidation of Jews, can we then describe them as animals? At what point does the generalization become fair? How many decades of terror and how many thousands of Jews must be murdered (in Israel and abroad) and injured before we can say to ourselves, "you know, these Palestinians are largely messed up, they need to change"?

Like I said, you're too ignorant and hate-filled, which is ironic because you're entirely detached and have no stake in this conflict. You can't be helped. I only respond out of fear that some honest person might read your garbage and believe it.

I can't disagree with any of that....

However, to the first point...

Was'nt the warden at Dachau(I think it was Dachau) literally ripped to pieces by the people he held captive(and I fully understand the atrocities that took place at Dachau) at the end of the war?