Natives to win HST concessions from Ottawa

[Mr.Canada]

So are you saying that Status Natives who show their Status card are paying sales taxes?

[Leafless]

Show me one post of mine where I have that message on "every post" I make.

Sorry, I got you mixed up with 'charter.rights'. The message still applies to 'CR'.

English speaking maybe, but not too sound in the English writing department. Obviously. And, since you have previously proven that the criteria by which abnormal is defined are you now advocating that all other mainstream-Christian-heterosexual-English-speaking-Canadian-who-believes-in-all-the-values-traditions-this-country-was-built-on are abnormals? I don't think they would appreciate the sentiment, but if that is how you admit you see things, well, ok....

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Jack Weber]

Geez. You open your texting again and again you are wrong. 85% of status native people live off reserve in major urban centres and pay every tax that you and I do (although you likely don't pay income tax on welfare). If we include non-status people then we see the percentages go up to 95%. Even if you were trying to generalize, you are factually wrong. Native people do pay taxes.

We have discussed how one company at Six Nations pumps $150 million in taxes into the Canadian system. There are many such companies. First Nations Bank, Peace Hills trust etc. pay as much tax as any banking institution in Canada. Other corporations owned by native people pay tax equal to any Canadian corporation regardless if they are located on reserve. As well native people earning a living off reserve are subject to income tax and tax on purchase - GST, PST and income just like any other Canadian. So again, even if you are trying to generalize about status natives you are factually wrong.

If this is a deliberate obfuscation, then I would suggest that you are the liar. Or is it just that you are too stupid to look up the facts?

The last sentence pretty much nails it!!!!

[Leafless]

You have a funny idea of what counts as an insult. You could of just used " abnormal " but you had to emphasize it, " ABNORMAL " , which makes it abundantly clear that it is you who are insulting.

The only reason I emphasized it was because it is a simple FACT 'bloodyminded' could not recognize or pretended he could not recognize it, relating to why Natives are treated indifferently or disliked as he put it.

Edited June 28, 2010 by Leafless

[Shwa]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

That you are implicating your demograpic in your idiocy. I know lots of mainstream-Christian-heterosexual-English-speaking-Canadian-who-believes-in-all-the-values-traditions-this-country-was-built-on and they are not like you at all. Most of them are thoughful, tolerant, open minded among other positive attributes. You, on the other hand, seem to be another dusty old Internet crank desperate for some results from the cocktail of geritol and viagra. Get a room.

[Leafless]

That you are implicating your demograpic in your idiocy. I know lots of mainstream-Christian-heterosexual-English-speaking-Canadian-who-believes-in-all-the-values-traditions-this-country-was-built-on and they are not like you at all. Most of them are thoughful, tolerant, open minded among other positive attributes.

You are off in your own little dreamland.

Where did I specifically say that I personally dislike Natives or any other minority?

Maybe I do or maybe I don't but I did not admit to either.

You, on the other hand, seem to be another dusty old Internet crank desperate for some results from the cocktail of geritol and viagra. Get a room.

I think you are a paranoid, hateful nut case.

[charter.rights]

So are you saying that Status Natives who show their Status card are paying sales taxes?

That is correct. Status Indians pay the GST off reserve. If they show their status card they can get the PST at the point of sale, but GST is still charged. After July 1, 2010 until September 1, native people with status cards will have to pay all sales taxes up front and apply for a provincial rebate for goods taken and used on the reserve. After September 1st the point of sale provincial portion will again be deducted if they show their status cards, except on food purchase, or services that are rendered off the reserve. The full HST will only be deducted IF the goods are delivered to the reserve by the vendor's delivery agent. Otherwise the full HST will have to be paid. Refunds are not available without proof that the goods were delivered to the reserve.

The next time you think about some wild accusation you should really do your research. By taking the tact you have you make really dumb people appear smart.

[Mr.Canada]

That is correct. Status Indians pay the GST off reserve. If they show their status card they can get the PST at the point of sale, but GST is still charged. After July 1, 2010 until September 1, native people with status cards will have to pay all sales taxes up front and apply for a provincial rebate for goods taken and used on the reserve. After September 1st the point of sale provincial portion will again be deducted if they show their status cards, except on food purchase, or services that are rendered off the reserve. The full HST will only be deducted IF the goods are delivered to the reserve by the vendor's delivery agent. Otherwise the full HST will have to be paid. Refunds are not available without proof that the goods were delivered to the reserve.

The next time you think about some wild accusation you should really do your research. By taking the tact you have you make really dumb people appear smart.

This is an outright lie and you know it.

I have personally seen many 'natives' flash their card in stores and voila, no taxes are paid at point of sale.

Sell your lies someplace else please. It would be better if they just stayed oin their reserves and left the rest of us alone. We don't need any more trouble in our communities.

[charter.rights]

This is an outright lie and you know it.

I have personally seen many 'natives' flash their card in stores and voila, no taxes are paid at point of sale.

Sell your lies someplace else please. It would be better if they just stayed oin their reserves and left the rest of us alone. We don't need any more trouble in our communities.

Go look it up.

PROPOSED DETAILS ON ONTARIO STATUS INDIANS POINT-OF-SALE EXEMPTION

Goods bought off a reserve by Indians, Indian bands, and unincorporated band-empowered entities are subject to GST/HST, unless the goods are delivered to a reserve by the vendor or the vendor's agent.

Now you are not only a liar, but a stupid liar. Maybe you should give up hating Indians. You haven't got the intelligence for it.

[Shwa]

I think you are a paranoid, hateful nut case.

Well since you have well established that your thinking is severely flawed and that you likely suffer from a mild form of aphasia, I can live with that.

[Leafless]

Well since you have well established that your thinking is severely flawed and that you likely suffer from a mild form of aphasia, I can live with that.

Why don't you screw off back to your wigwam and have a bowl of coon soup.

[charter.rights]

Why don't you screw off back to your wigwam and have a bowl of coon soup.

What a wonderful expression of the lack of intelligence.

[Shwa]

Why don't you screw off back to your wigwam and have a bowl of coon soup.

Ah the remove-all-doubt principle in action. Or is it Tourette's? Likely a little from column A and a little from column B.

I must ask you, if you cannot handle different opinions without posting personal insults, then why are you even here?

And convenient memory loss...

[Jack Weber]

Why don't you screw off back to your wigwam and have a bowl of coon soup.

Classy....

[Wild Bill]

This is an outright lie and you know it.

I have personally seen many 'natives' flash their card in stores and voila, no taxes are paid at point of sale.

Sell your lies someplace else please. It would be better if they just stayed oin their reserves and left the rest of us alone. We don't need any more trouble in our communities.

I personally have worked in stores and sold goods to people carrying aboriginal tax cards. I had been instructed to NOT charge PST on such sales! We simply took the number off the card the same as we would have a PST exemption number.

So my personal experience is that 'natives' flashed me their card and voila, no taxes paid!

I hesitate to relate my personal direct experience in this thread. I fully expect that some posters like CR are promptly going to claim that my evidence is merely anecdotal and that I am lying, since my disagreeing with him on a native issue is proof in itself that I must be a racist.

Still, for anyone else who is interested, there it is.

[charter.rights]

I personally have worked in stores and sold goods to people carrying aboriginal tax cards. I had been instructed to NOT charge PST on such sales! We simply took the number off the card the same as we would have a PST exemption number.

So my personal experience is that 'natives' flashed me their card and voila, no taxes paid!

I hesitate to relate my personal direct experience in this thread. I fully expect that some posters like CR are promptly going to claim that my evidence is merely anecdotal and that I am lying, since my disagreeing with him on a native issue is proof in itself that I must be a racist.

Still, for anyone else who is interested, there it is.

WB. GST was still paid. So to suggest "no taxes paid" is false.

BTW. You and the store you worked for didn't have a choice to charge PST (Or RST) when a Status card was presented. It is the law.

[Leafless]

What a wonderful expression of the lack of intelligence.

Intelligence is not applicable when dealing with attack/insult dogs.

[Leafless]

Ah the remove-all-doubt principle in action. Or is it Tourette's? Likely a little from column A and a little from column B.

Another little message from attack/dog 'Shwa' who now thinks he is a doctor.

But this could be an indication that you yourself could be suffering from a condition known as DID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

[Leafless]

Classy....

I suppose it could have been classier.

I should have used 'road kill stew' rather than 'coon soup'.

[Shwa]

Another little message from attack/dog 'Shwa' who now thinks he is a doctor.

But this could be an indication that you yourself could be suffering from a condition known as DID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Another little message from dusty old internet crank Leafless. Unoriginal and completely wit free

Tsk, tsk, tsk Leafless, I was expecting more. But then again, you are likely the biggest pussy in your neighbourhood, so you ain't got much anyways. Oh well, I should have guessed that, my apologies.

[Leafless]

Another little message from dusty old internet crank Leafless. Unoriginal and completely wit free

"Another little message" is original.

Then why did you copy it?

Tsk, tsk, tsk Leafless, I was expecting more.

Why? I am not the attack/insult dog, you are.

But then again, you are likely the biggest pussy in your neighbourhood, so you ain't got much anyways. Oh well, I should have guessed that, my apologies.

Why bother to apologize moron.

Educate Indians at tax payers expense and they turn around and they spit in your face.

But then again they are only Indians.

Back to wigwam and enjoy more squirrel dogs.

[Shwa]

"Another little message" is original.

Then why did you copy it?

Why? I am not the attack/insult dog, you are.

Why bother to apologize moron.

Educate Indians at tax payers expense and they turn around and they spit in your face.

But then again they are only Indians.

Back to wigwam and enjoy more squirrel dogs.

Another limp response from the resident pussy. Keep it coming Leafless, the doubt removing effect is still very much active.

[Leafless]

Another limp response from the resident pussy. Keep it coming Leafless, the doubt removing effect is still very much active.

Do those emotional retard happy faces relate in any way to what you really look like?

Don't worry I will no longer allow myself to be duped in by a cheap attack/insult dog and dragged down to your level.

Talk to yourself attack/insult dog, in your cheap, non-productive thread.

BWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

[Shwa]

Do those emotional retard happy faces relate in any way to what you really look like?

Don't worry I will no longer allow myself to be duped in by a cheap attack/insult dog and dragged down to your level.

Talk to yourself attack/insult dog, in your cheap, non-productive thread.

BWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Another ineffectual response from the resident boor which furthers removes doubt.

[Jack Weber]

"Another little message" is original.

Then why did you copy it?

Why? I am not the attack/insult dog, you are.

Why bother to apologize moron.

Educate Indians at tax payers expense and they turn around and they spit in your face.

But then again they are only Indians.

Back to wigwam and enjoy more squirrel dogs.

Wow...Do you have any more theories on a racial hierarchy,Dr. Shockley?