JB Globe Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 Clearly these attacks cannot and should not be addressed in criminal courts. The use of civilian due process gives the terrorists a platform to create a circus. Even worse, in "discovery" it creates an opportunity to expose counter-terror methods and endanger information assets. In other words, you dont' fight a war in Court If that's the case than how come Britain and Spain were able to prosecute the culprits of their bombings successfully, safely, without any circuses to speak of, all while keeping sensitive information classified? Either their justice system and security apparatus are superior to the US, or you're just wrong. When I was in 9th Grade, we were taught the importance of "respecting indigenous cultures". If those cultures were prepared to live and let live, fine. Clearly they are bent on slaughter. Clearly they are bent on living out pretty mundane, normal lives. I mean really - do you really think that the entire Muslim world is simmering with aggression towards the West? Do you have any idea what the world would actually be like if 1 billion people were itching for a war? It sure as hell wouldn't be as quiet as it is now. And which governments allow this to happen? None really. Somalia is one place - but it doesn't have a functioning central government. The weak Yemeni government has been going after Al-Qaeda while fighting two civil wars at the same time for a decade. Pakistan is hitting the Taliban hard and the public and media are now fully on their side. What state is "allowing" Islamist militant training camps? Quote
GostHacked Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 No. But we are at war with a somewhat amorphuous entity. I am not sure, myself, how best to fight this. But it is no doubt a war. That seems to be the general cunundrum of fighting an enemy that has no clearly defined borders in which they operate. You would be at war with several countries at the same time. Kind of like what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. They moved to Pakistan (considered an ally to the US and the west). And once Pakistan is fixed, there will be other problems to fix. It's a never ending war. You can't really call it a war when you are not even really sure who or where the enemy is. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 12, 2010 Report Posted May 12, 2010 considered an ally to the US and the west (Pakistan) Frick...barely...on paper only. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted May 13, 2010 Author Report Posted May 13, 2010 There are some automatically contentious posters I don't have on ignore but I don't bother to answer. In particular I have in mind one that apes my screen name and quote-response-quote-response style of posting. I find it grating and irritating. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 I think there is a more fundamental problem; the safety and liberty of long-time residents of our respective countries Those must take primacy to the rights of those out to destroy us. But Sir Bandelot's post was about the liberty of residents. And about how, according to cherished traditions that are crucial to liberty, suspicion alone doesn't act as indictment. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted May 13, 2010 Report Posted May 13, 2010 There are some automatically contentious posters I don't have on ignore but I don't bother to answer. In particular I have in mind one that apes my screen name and quote-response-quote-response style of posting. I find it grating and irritating. With all due respect, jbg--and I respect you even though we rarely agree; also, I like you--I think JBGlobe's posts are among the best on MLW. Personally. His answers here to your post are remarkably good. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Posted May 14, 2010 With all due respect, jbg--and I respect you even though we rarely agree; also, I like you--I think JBGlobe's posts are among the best on MLW. Personally. His answers here to your post are remarkably good. The poster I'm referring to wears thin. You have to realize that it's screen name and posting method are a parody of mine. I don't enjoy the humor, or for most here, humour. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Posted May 14, 2010 Yes because the US was at war with Japan. Are you saying the US is at war with anyone from Islam? Of course that would be utter nonsense. Some of George Bush's friends are islamic. No. We're at war with Islamic terrorists. People who are so cowardly they send others out to their death to kill yet others. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 The poster I'm referring to wears thin. You have to realize that it's screen name and posting method are a parody of mine. I don't enjoy the humor, or for most here, humour. The "jbg" seems too close for coincidence, true. But his posts seem to me sincere and intelligent, totally aside from whether one agrees with his posts. They don't read like parodies. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
JB Globe Posted May 17, 2010 Report Posted May 17, 2010 The "jbg" seems too close for coincidence, true. But his posts seem to me sincere and intelligent, totally aside from whether one agrees with his posts. They don't read like parodies. JB are my initials, the "globe" bit comes from an old blog I used to write. Frankly when people like yourself read my posts, and then look at his in-direct responses, it's pretty obvious that he's using the "JB Globe is a troll" line to avoid having to deal with my arguments. I'm not surprised - generally posters who make grandiose statements about topics they have never studied HATE it when people who do know a little about the topic hold them accountable to their claims. I've told JBG directly before - if you make ridiculous claims about subjects you don't know anything about, someone is going to make you look like a fool - so do what I do and stick to subjects you know, and ask questions about subjects you don't know - that's how you learn. Quote
bloodyminded Posted May 21, 2010 Report Posted May 21, 2010 JB are my initials, the "globe" bit comes from an old blog I used to write. Frankly when people like yourself read my posts, and then look at his in-direct responses, it's pretty obvious that he's using the "JB Globe is a troll" line to avoid having to deal with my arguments. Maybe so, but you don't have to worry about me. Take out my initial comment (mistaken,I now see), and you'll read a bunch of compliments about your posting style and your intelligence. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted July 8, 2010 Author Report Posted July 8, 2010 (edited) As recent attacks in Pakistan show (link), when they can't find Westerners to kill they massacre each other. I suppose those killing fields on the Baluchistan steps and mountains of Warijastan now take on a more modern caste. Edited July 8, 2010 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Apparently, common sense has prevailed. The trial will be held at Guantanamo (link, excerpts below): In a Reversal, Military Trials for 9/11 Cases By CHARLIE SAVAGE April 4, 2011 WASHINGTON The Obama administration, ending more than a year of indecision with a major policy reversal, will prosecute Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other people accused of plotting the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks before a military commission and not a civilian court, as it once planned. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced on Monday that he has cleared military prosecutors at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, to file war-crimes charges against the five detainees in the Sept. 11 case. Mr. Holder had decided in November 2009 to move the case to a federal civilian courtroom in New York City, but the White House abandoned that plan amid a political backlash. The shift was foreshadowed by stiffening Congressional resistance to bringing Guantánamo detainees into the United States, and by other recent steps clearing the way for new tribunal trials. Still, it marked a significant moment of capitulation in the Obama administrations largely frustrated effort to dismantle counterterrorism architecture left behind by former President George W. Bush. President Obama, in one of his first initiatives, had announced his intention to close the Guantánamo prison in a year, a goal that he failed to fulfill. ***************** The right place to conduct a military trial is at a military base. There is no need to paralyze Manhattan, or allow the defendant to create a circus. Edited April 25, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bob Posted April 29, 2011 Report Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) Eric Holder still holds the opinion that the trial should've been done in civilian court. So although the decision was made to more Khaled Sheikh Mohammed's trial (as well as a few others high-profile terrorists, right?) to military tribunal, it wasn't done without strong opposition from the Obama crew. It's really sad, but Obama has surrounded himself with persons of a particular ideology, and Eric Holder is no exception. Here's of Eric Holder doing the semi-180. Edited April 29, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
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