Mr.Canada Posted April 5, 2010 Report Posted April 5, 2010 You keep repeating these inanities even after I respond to them. One more time: I do not support Chechnyen terrorism. And you do support Russian terrorism. And the Russian terrorism is worse by a great magnitude than the Chechnyen terrorism. Clear enough? Yes very clear. However you keep backtracking by trying to make some excuse as to why the Chechen are bombing innocent civilians. Trying to make it seem ok, giving it legitamacy. I don't know why you keep doing this. So you're saying that it's bad for Islamics to bomb civilians but then are saying it's an acceptable outcome because the Russians killed Chechen's at some point in history. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
bloodyminded Posted April 5, 2010 Report Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Yes very clear. However you keep backtracking by trying to make some excuse as to why the Chechen are bombing innocent civilians. Trying to make it seem ok, giving it legitamacy. I don't know why you keep doing this. So you're saying that it's bad for Islamics to bomb civilians but then are saying it's an acceptable outcome because the Russians killed Chechen's at some point in history. I haven't said anything of the kind. You're reading into my posts in strange ways. Again, the only one who hasn't condemned terrorism in our exchange is you. Why is that, I wonder? (Oh, but just to clarify one point--and try not to read this as justification for terrorism, as you are wont to do--that "some point in history" continues to the present.) Edited April 5, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
wyly Posted April 5, 2010 Report Posted April 5, 2010 So you're saying that it's bad for Islamics to bomb civilians but then are saying it's an acceptable outcome because the Russians killed Chechen's at some point in history. Chechen's attacking Russians is an "expected" outcome of Russian genocide...Chechans are being brutalized every day, this isn't past history... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Mr.Canada Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 (edited) Chechen's attacking Russians is an "expected" outcome of Russian genocide...Chechans are being brutalized every day, this isn't past history... Ok great. When is the Russian government being brought to The Hague? Which members of the Russian government have been arrested? When is the human rights trial like Milosevic had being held for the Russians? Edited April 7, 2010 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
August1991 Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 (edited) so if when Quebec votes to separate Canada sends in the troops to loot rape torture, slaughter and level Quebec City and Montreal and it's ok because Canada is protecting it's property?... The Russian federal government offered far better terms of sovereignty to the Chechen Republic than the PQ has ever requested - but radical Chechens refused.And BTW, Trudeau imposed the War Measures Act in 1970 and imprisoned about 400 Quebecers without trial or judicial oversight for as long as four months. When Trudeau did this, he had almost universal support in English Canada. Civil wars are among the most blood-thirsty. ---- Nevertheless, IMV, it is impossible to view the conflict in Chechnya outside of the ongoing conflict between the West and radical Islam. Western Civilization has been a long saga, sometimes violent, to defend the individual's freedom to choose. This latest conflict is one skirmish among others. Edited April 7, 2010 by August1991 Quote
Bonam Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Nevertheless, IMV, it is impossible to view the conflict in Chechnya outside of the ongoing conflict between the West and radical Islam. Western Civilization has been a long saga, sometimes violent, to defend the individual's freedom to choose. This latest conflict is one skirmish among others. I dunno about this part. Russia is not really part of "the West". When the West was struggling to defend the individual's freedom to choose, Russia was busy suppressing it and killing by the millions individuals who didn't agree. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Yes, I'm sure they are nice and cuddly right? Yeah sure....watch this. These people don't take PoW's, they kill everybody. They behead them in the name of Allah. I'm just tired of people here trying to equate the Chechens to Canadians, like they are the same somehow. Completely different sets of values. It's terrible and graphic so be warned but I feel that their is no other way to get my message across. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
August1991 Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 (edited) I dunno about this part. Russia is not really part of "the West". When the West was struggling to defend the individual's freedom to choose, Russia was busy suppressing it and killing by the millions individuals who didn't agree.Whatever the reason, which country defeated Hitler? Napoleon?What country gave us Anna Karenina and a gay composer of The Nutcracker? ----- I take a broad view of Western Civilization. Edited April 7, 2010 by August1991 Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Photos of the subway bombing in Moscow.... WARNING Extremely graphic. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Bonam Posted April 7, 2010 Report Posted April 7, 2010 Whatever the reason, which country defeated Hitler? Napoleon? Primarily Russia What country gave us Anna Karenina and a gay composer of The Nutcracker? Russia again, though I would not necessarily attribute the achievements of individual artists to the state in which they happened to live. I take a broad view of Western Civilization. That's all well and good but for half of the twentieth century "the West" was pretty much anything that stood against Russia and its allies. That may now be changing but in many ways Russia still views itself as at odds with Western civilization rather than a part of it. You can't really view the Chechnya conflict as "West vs Islam". Remember, just 2-3 decades ago, "the West" was arming Islamists in the area to fight the Russians. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 (edited) Russia again, though I would not necessarily attribute the achievements of individual artists to the state in which they happened to live. Just so. There are brilliant Iranian artists and novelists, and we don't thank the Mullahs for them. Nor the Shah for that matter. That's all well and good but for half of the twentieth century "the West" was pretty much anything that stood against Russia and its allies. That may now be changing but in many ways Russia still views itself as at odds with Western civilization rather than a part of it. You can't really view the Chechnya conflict as "West vs Islam". Remember, just 2-3 decades ago, "the West" was arming Islamists in the area to fight the Russians. Agreed. Especially since the Russia/Chechnya conflict predates our current formulation of West vs Islam by a lot of decades. Edited April 11, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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