maplesyrup Posted June 7, 2004 Author Report Posted June 7, 2004 New Democrat Leader Jack Layton sure knows where to hang out. Jack is presently holding a press conference at the Simon Fraser University Daycare, one of the best, if not the best childcare centre in British Columbia. It is being carried live on CBC Newsworld. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 16, 2004 Author Report Posted June 16, 2004 Assessing the leaders' performance: Jack Layton After a timid performance in the French debate, NDP leader Jack Layton came out swinging last night, lashing out at Prime Minister Paul Martin for saying the election comes down to a choice between the Liberals and the Conservatives."I've got to take issue with a claim you're making, that there's only two parties in this country that are going to have the possibility of governing. What kind of arrogance gives you that kind of proposition?" Mr. Layton said in the English debate. "You're taking for granted the Canadian people. There are two parties in this election that can stop the Stephen Harper agenda of reckless tax cuts, getting in with George Bush on his missile defence and taking action for social policies. There's two. It's not only your party. And in fact, Canadians are giving up on your party. Broken promises. Scandals. You're talking to George Bush about Star Wars too." Jack certainly was in the game last night, and we can expect his aggressive performance to impact positively for the New Democrats in the upcoming polls. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
playfullfellow Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Jack certainly was in the game last night, and we can expect his aggressive performance to impact positively for the New Democrats in the upcoming polls. Sheeesshhhh MS, do you have a blowup doll in the shape of Layton too by your bed? Policies aside, Layton looked and sounded like he was trying to sell you a lemon. That silly grin on his face was so detracting from his comments that I hardly noticed what he had to say. Mind you, our reception kept kicking in and out through most of the debate so I missed a lot of actual policy stuff but we can all read the party outlines. Layton has absolutely nothing to lose in this election so he can do pretty well anything he wants to aside from walking naked through downtown Vancouver but I am sure you would find a positive note in that too MS. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 16, 2004 Author Report Posted June 16, 2004 playfulfellow.....do you ever post anything of any substance? All I seem to hear from you are silly personal attacks. But I guess that is typical of this right wing love fest as someone recently described this place. Grow up and post something concerning some policy you like or don't like. Please stop with your petty nonsense and grow up. What are you, 10 years old? My goodness, how pathetic. Next thing I know, you'll be denying global warming. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 16, 2004 Author Report Posted June 16, 2004 Layton attacks Liberal record, Conservatives NDP Leader Jack Layton is borrowing tactics from his two rivals -- attacking the Liberals' record and Conservatives' social platforms -- and trying to present his party as an option for people who don't want to vote for either. "We really demonstrated what Canadians are concerned about," Layton said of the leaders' debates. "They don't want to vote for the Liberals and the Conservatives have an agenda that quite frankly worries them a lot." Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
playfullfellow Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 ouch MS, you really hurt my feelings but I do appologize for the personal attack, guess I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning and I did not mean to insult you, we are just from very different views. As for the 10 year old crack, not at all called for and don't bother calling me right wing, it doesn't cut it here. I am more centrist than you figure and open to discussion. I read plenty about global warming and am concerned about it. I also care about abortion, rights and freedom of speech. You can include at the top of the list my family. As this is also an open forum, I am also allowed to voice my opinion whether you agree or not. This is a place for discussion. I have been to different places, seen different views and read plenty of material telling me about world problems and issues which affect us as a whole. The problem I have with some of your ideas are that you advocate one thing in a post like say chosing to abort a fetus and then in another post you denounce choice. Makes no sense to me. As for my opinion of Layton, you will also notice in other posts that I have commended him on his compassion for his parties beliefs. I just didn't like him very much in this debate and I think you saw a lot more than I did. But you do come across in the your admiration of Layton and I guess came across wrongly. You may also have noted in other posts that I stood up for you in your ablility to bring items in for discussion whether we agree or not. You also seem to come up with a lot of material to discuss and add lots of differing views to debates. I may not agree with your love fest with the NDP but that is your choice. Quote
BQSupporter Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 Maple sounds like a Coolaid drinker to me, but thats my personal opinion. Im sure you are going to cry about it, but that is life. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 16, 2004 Report Posted June 16, 2004 If I read the words "love fest" one more time, I'm gonna scream. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 16, 2004 Author Report Posted June 16, 2004 Maple sounds like a Coolaid drinker to me, but thats my personal opinion. Im sure you are going to cry about it, but that is life. BQS......this is a place to post messages about politics, not personal putdowns. Why don't you try it? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
playfullfellow Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 psssssttttttttttttt, MS, didn't you notice I apologized for my un-called for personal attack or are you still pissed at me? Around here we acknowledge people when they appologize to be polite. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 18, 2004 Author Report Posted June 18, 2004 pff.....just saw your message. Thanks. Best, Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 18, 2004 Author Report Posted June 18, 2004 On Vancouver Island, Layton trumpets NDP as the greenest party NDP Leader Jack Layton diverted his campaign offensive against the Liberals yesterday to raid Green Party votes, saying the New Democrats, and not the rival upstart movement, have the best environmental agenda this election.He pointed out that major environmental organizations this week gave the NDP the best marks among parties for its platform. "The things you want for your future -- like an environment that's sustainable -- are best achieved, and I underline that again, best achieved with the New Democratic Party of Canada, according to some of the country's largest environmental organizations," Mr. Layton said. Three major environmental organizations, the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, and the environmental public legal defense fund organization have all rated the Layton New Democrats with the most progressive and constructive environmental policies, ahead of the Greens. It's important for people to get details of policy and not the absurd media hype, eh? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted June 18, 2004 Author Report Posted June 18, 2004 Layton Adopts Risky Strategy Ironically, the NDP promise that has gotten the most attention--the inheritance tax on assets over $1 million--probably affects the least number of voters, fewer than three percent of the population. There has been far less coverage of the NDP's promises to address poverty by eliminating income tax for people who earn below $15,000 per year and almost doubling the child tax benefit to $4,900 per year. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
noelandmero Posted June 18, 2004 Report Posted June 18, 2004 That is because to tax money that has already been taxed is unfair. Taxing death is also to far for even the Canadian govertment to go next thing you know they will tax you when you go to the head. Fortunatly my basset hound has a better chance of being PM than Jack Layton does. The NDP is a great party they remind every one that there are the poor and the environment to consider and as long as they have five seats they can do that. Any more than that and in the in the words of a great Canadian created cartoon character "screw you Hippy". If any one voting for the NDP can give me any instance were the Canadian government has stepped into help with tax dollars on a long term basis to anything and not turned what ever they were doing into a festering pile of shit I would be interested to know what it is. Quote
maplesyrup Posted June 19, 2004 Author Report Posted June 19, 2004 Jack Layton: Redefining social democracy What's most important is that Layton realizes that social change happens in the community not in Parliament. He has shown that in practice by developing a new relationship with social movements and citizen organizations. Unlike the old NDP that was often hostile to social movements which were non-partisan, Layton understands that an equal partnership with movements on common issues is vital to constructing a new stronger political left. Whether the Conservatives or the Liberals form the government, minority or majority, giving Jack Layton's NDP a strong voice in Parliament is the only way to ensure that these ideas begin to have a hearing. A strong NDP presence in Parliament will mean that the media will have to pay attention. There are a number of strong left-wing candidates across the country that will be effective Members of Parliament. Even if you are in a riding where the NDP doesn't stand a chance, this time your vote counts for almost two dollars. In the past the federal NDP has barely existed between elections. Their funding was totally tied to federal elections. This is why the provincial parties, especially Saskatchewan and Manitoba have had such a conservatizing influence. Layton has told me that he will use the yearly public funding provided under the new electoral law to hire organizers to work with community groups on issues. Voting for the least worst, a protest vote or not voting will not change anything. Voting NDP just might. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 3, 2004 Author Report Posted July 3, 2004 Bienvenue au Canada. Door could swing wider The most substantial immigration policy platform was the one presented by the NDP. It called on the government to boost family class immigration, to allow illegal immigrants who have put down roots in Canada to get status and to abolish the $975 head tax imposed by the Liberals on all adult immigrants.The NDP also proposed a once-in-a-lifetime provision to enable Canadian citizens and permanent residents to sponsor any relative. That is an old idea, once floated by Elinor Caplan when she was Liberal immigration minister but squelched by immigration department bureaucrats. The NDP also echoed the Liberal campaign pledge to increase annual immigration to 300,000 or more, to speed up processing for immigration applicants in such places as India and China, and to find a way to help foreign-trained professionals get accreditation to work in this country. The Bloc Québécois has a similar stand to the NDP's when it comes to immigration, although its campaign platform was not as comprehensive. With the Liberals' standing at 135 and the New Democrats' at 19, Martin's new government will need broader support to get bills through Parliament. That means the Bloc could also be the deal-maker when it comes to immigration. This should prove to be an interesting Parliament. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 6, 2004 Author Report Posted July 6, 2004 Proctor named Layton's chief of staff Sounds like a solid choice. I wonder who Proctor is replacing. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 6, 2004 Author Report Posted July 6, 2004 Ontario didn't kill Tory chances Fewer voters, largely in the West, voted Conservative Interesting analysis of the vote. I wonder what lessons are here for the New Democrats. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 6, 2004 Author Report Posted July 6, 2004 Election by the numbers: NDP Vote change in 2004 from 2000 election: +1,024,092 Percentage difference: +94% Liberal Party Vote change in 2004 from 2000 election: -296,981 Percentage difference: -5.6% Conservative Party Vote change in 2004 from 2000 election (combined PC & Canadian Alliance): - 847,092 Percentage difference: -17.4% I guess we can safely assume Canadians are moving to the left, which augers well for the New Democrats in the next election. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 9, 2004 Author Report Posted July 9, 2004 Layton vows to use NDP clout Says he'll `raise hell' if campaign commitments aren't met NDP leader calls Martin `a late arrival on progressive scene BRUCE CAMPION-SMITH AND SUSAN DELACOURT OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA—NDP Leader Jack Layton is vowing to use his party's influence in the minority Parliament to press Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals to deliver on a "progressive" agenda. During the election, Martin promised to boost the public health-care system, implement a national day-care program and provide more funding for cities. Layton yesterday vowed to "raise hell" if campaign commitments like those aren't met and suggested that Martin only made the promises to woo left-wing supporters during the election. "He's been a late arrival on the progressive scene and our fear is it could be just for the term of the election campaign in order to secure and maintain a grip on power," Layton said, as the NDP met for the first time since the election. The seat count after the June 28 vote was 135 Liberals, 99 Conservatives, 54 Bloc Québécois, 19 New Democrats and one Independent. With the Liberals likely look to the NDP as their natural ally, Layton said his party would do all it can to ensure Martin makes good on his social commitments. "We're going to have to push the Martin-led Liberals to a progressive agenda," Layton said. "That is not where his instincts have been or where his party has governed for the last number of years," Layton said, charging that the Liberal agenda has been "very, very Conservative." "So we're going to have to make that a real priority and figure out ways in which to do that job," said Layton, who won his own seat in Toronto-Danforth Jack's going to kick ass. All right! Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Posted July 16, 2004 Martin acting as though he had majority, Layton says "He squeaks in with a minority, but instead of any element of humility, or saying 'We're going to change direction, we'll take a look at the program that we keep talking about and never delivering, and we'll start to work with the other parties to see what we can have the House of Commons accomplish,' we haven't heard any of that," Mr. Layton said. "We're open to it. I've said it from the moment of election night." When are we going to have another election, eh? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
maplesyrup Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Posted July 28, 2004 NDP disputes results in 2 Saskatchewan ridings In a court application to be filed on Tuesday, they contend that at least 765 people who live in Regina-Lumsden Lake Centre received Elections Canada information cards that incorrectly directed them to vote at polling stations in the neighbouring Palliser riding. Validated Results by the Returning Officer Validation Date: June 30, 2004 38th General Election Palliser Saskatchewan Electoral District No. 47005 Valid ballots: 33,218 Rejected ballots: 108 Total ballots cast: 33,326 Candidate Party Votes Dave Batters Conservative Party of Canada 11,909 Dick Proctor New Democratic Party 11,785 Brian Rands Green Party of Canada 829 Harold Stephan Christian Heritage Party 451 John Williams Liberal Party of Canada 8,244 Total number of validated votes: 33,218 ----------------------------------------------------------------- This seems like a very unusual situation. Elections Canada is going to have to act quickly on this one, as it sounds like a by-election may have to be called. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Big Blue Machine Posted July 28, 2004 Report Posted July 28, 2004 Everyone knows that the NDP will never win a federal government election. Jack Layton is wrong into thinking that he could possibly win, in fact, in the english debate, I would have said to Layton on camera, "No you're wrong Mr. Layton, the NDP will never win a federal governemnt election. The most number of seats the NDP have had was 43. You need at least 120 seats for a governemnt. So stop thinking you will win a government." Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
maplesyrup Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Posted July 28, 2004 Deep thoughts! Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Big Blue Machine Posted July 28, 2004 Report Posted July 28, 2004 It's true. I hate Layton. But I like some of the NDP's ideas. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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