Honduras - maybe they need a nice earth quake?

[Oleg Bach]

I come from a family of five - three brothers and one lone sister. My sister has been living on and off in Central America for about 12 years. She is younger but not by much and always out dared the boys in the family - sky diving at 14 with a forged signature...traveled almost all of the world - made a million lost a million..Rich or poor it does not matter much to her..She is also a great song writer and recording artist..to discribe her simply would be the word adventurer.

My dear sister has lived in a lot of dangerous places and got along well with the locals because she is not an elitist and is very kind to all -- a few days ago she was robbed. It was the forth such offence against her in the last 5 months.. This time she ran into a couple of real cowards.

She was taking a cab to a friends boat..she no longer is wealthy and lives from hand to mouth - BUT I guess some of the locals believe that all white people are rich..The cab driver set her up..He quickly drove off to a remote spot..where a friend in crime was waiting..The second person jumped into the back with my sister and began STABBING her..she mentioned she had to cross her arms in front of her chest because the jerk was intentionally aiming for the heart and wanted to make sure she did not survive the attack--1OO stitches later and some exploratory surgery ..she seems fine--knife woulds all over her front and back.

I spoke to my older brother and asked him to fly her out--It seems she wants to stay - she is more like me than I believed - She is interested in the Justice factor and is a stubborn one..all I can say with great worry and a sense of righteous indignation sprinkled with vengengence - Is those Hondurian cowards - had better leave town..you do not offend a family member - I am old school and so is she.

[eyeball]

A bolt of well directed lighting would certainly be in order.

That's definitely got to be a bitter pill to swallow Oleg, I hope everything goes well for your sister.

[bloodyminded]

That's insanity, Oleg. Not good (if I may understate it all the way). But your sister sounds like a courageous lady!

Edited March 4, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Oleg Bach]

That's insanity, Oleg. Not good (if I may understate it all the way). But your sister sounds like a courageous lady!

Victoria is more than your run of the mill free spirit. She is a go getter and I almost feel sorry for the offenders..she may be poor at present but she is a well connected woman-- and her wrath is something to be feared. Any where on the planet she traveled she mixed with the poor as well as the wealthy..she knows the ropes..what pisses me off is that her sense of humor might just surpass mine- she sent me a letter calling herself the "holey sister"- I did not get joke being a bit of a zealot--she meant full of holes.

All I can say the last time someone attacked a weaker member of my family-- I gave them no rest for 5 years...bled them dry and dedicated my vigor 24 7 - thats a lot of man hours...and I may be older know but I still have enough energy to spank a third world government silly for not providing a safe and secure environ.

The other point is that there was a time when CANADIANS abroad were considered valuable citizens of CANADA and we had a government that practiced the same wrath and granting of protection that the Israelis do..now it seems that we have a government that has this anti-national family attitude and they do not give a shit for citizens....all will be well in the end---If anything further happens..I guess I will have to make the trip-- and they are not going to like me in a state of mind that glows with honour..no one seriously insults me..it is not about ego..it will be about justice..whether you get it or not in a place like that or here - is of little consequence-- a gadfly the size of a bus is a force to be be held in awh.

Just glad and thankful she survived the attack..and glad that I am more than strong enough to protect the weak..the tormenting attempted murder is crossing the lines--don't touch the woman and never go near the children is my motto.

[bill_barilko]

there was a time when CANADIANS abroad were considered valuable citizens of CANADA and we had a government that practiced the same wrath and granting of protection that the Israelis do

I understand you're upset butI have to call you on the nonsense as quoted.

FYI-I have travelled/lived/worked in various developing countries for over a quarter century now, including Central America, the Canadian Govt couldn't care less where it's citizens go nor what happens to them there never has never will that's not how it works not even close.

It's all about accepting personal responsibility, my guess is that you're travelled very very little if you didn't know that.

BTW-Honduras is an unrequited shithole of the lowest order, do a web search of various Govt warnings for travellers to the place especially the Caribbean coast.

[Jack Weber]

MS-13 members?

[Oleg Bach]

I understand you're upset butI have to call you on the nonsense as quoted.

FYI-I have travelled/lived/worked in various developing countries for over a quarter century now, including Central America, the Canadian Govt couldn't care less where it's citizens go nor what happens to them there never has never will that's not how it works not even close.

It's all about accepting personal responsibility, my guess is that you're travelled very very little if you didn't know that.

BTW-Honduras is an unrequited shithole of the lowest order, do a web search of various Govt warnings for travellers to the place especially the Caribbean coast.

Did all my traveling when I was younger..yes - I don't have a clue about some environs - but as far as places like Mexico..well - seems that back when Canada was primarily an eastern european anglo nation - citizens were of great value - now with immigration hitting a world wide high as far as diverstiy - loyality to the citizen is also diversified..was a time when the killing or the attempted murder of any CANADIAN citizen...would have caused a huge diplomatic uproar - but what do we expect now in these days when domestically we are all trash in the eyes of a corporate elite who cares more about buisness than lives - My sister stimulates the economy of any nation she has dealth with -

Including CANADA- she was a fore runner in the aquisition of corporate lands-- in the end the feds made it difficult for here so a shit hole as you described is preferable to this sweetly and cosmetically sustained shit hole.

[Oleg Bach]

SEEING there is no diplomatic clout or will on the federal level - maybe the corporations that do buisness down there should perhaps spark some protective care for members of their base nation- the nation that enriched and built up these corporations ---in other words..Where is the corporate responsiblity and thankfulness to the civilian slaves and their children - after all it was we and YOU who put these companies on the map internationally - and it astounds me how cold our corporate heads are - and how they have forgotten who established them..US!

[Oleg Bach]

WHILE I am doing my extended rant I will mention that some bureacratic type advising me on where to go and not where to go - is quite useless - Canada should do more than just send out advisory notices to CANADIAN travelers - how about advising the so-called troubled spot that we will break your cheezey little third world bank if you harm any or ours - Look at old Rome - you harmed a Roman who was abroad and they would destroy your enterprise. NO - OUR government and corporates should show some character and get old school...like maybe kicking some ass to ensure ours and their dignity - seems that dis-honour and dis- loyalty is acceptable..not in my world!

[Bonam]

I agree with you Oleg. Canada (and other Western countries) should do more to protect their citizens abroad. As it is, Canadians traveling to poor nations are little more than targets, either to be held for ransom or to be mugged or to have their organs harvested.

[bill_barilko]

I agree with you Oleg. Canada (and other Western countries) should do more to protect their citizens abroad. As it is, Canadians traveling to poor nations are little more than targets, either to be held for ransom or to be mugged or to have their organs harvested.

Garbage piled on top of ordure by people who have no idea that over a billion people on this earth live on $1/day Yes that's One Dollar a Day or Less yet are at least as honest as any Canadian you meet.

Well trailer parks have a way of shrinking people's perspectives as we see posted here almost daily.

[Bonam]

And what relevance do those billion $1/day people have to this conversation? Honest as they may be, there are plenty of others out there that are not so honest, and will do precisely the things I mentioned.

[Oleg Bach]

Find the group of offenders and like drones - send down about 20 black CANADIAN OPERATIVES - AND show them who is boss...not wanting to sound terroristic or subvervive--find them kill them..boom boom done- do the same in Mexico--what are the lax authorities going to do--invade us or nuke us? IF WE ARE STRONGER AND SMARTER LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT NO ONE KILLS OR MAIMES A CITIZEN OF CANADAD..WHAT'S WITH OUR PROJECTIVE POWER AND USE OF FORCE - ARE WE ALL HETRO PHAGS THAT THINK ---"it's all good" I fucking hat that saying.

[Oleg Bach]

Better to dominate all of them then for them to dominate one of us.

[bill_barilko]

Better to dominate all of them then for them to dominate one of us.

You are embarrassing yourself-and not for the first time.

[bloodyminded]

Better to dominate all of them then for them to dominate one of us.

Bill-barilko is right. This is just too much.

I suspect you're being mischievously provocative here, and don't really mean it.

Because, in an either/or situation as you've put it here, the only moral truth would be the literal opposite of what you've written.

[Bonam]

Bill-barilko is right. This is just too much.

I suspect you're being mischievously provocative here, and don't really mean it.

Because, in an either/or situation as you've put it here, the only moral truth would be the literal opposite of what you've written.

Wait, so the "only moral truth" is to be dominated by savages from backward nations? Would you make the same choice if the person to be "dominated" was your loved one? If I were in that position, I would certainly see the merit in us enforcing protection (or, if that fails, justice) for our citizens around the world, given that we had the capability to do so.

[Guest American Woman]

--find them kill them..boom boom done- do the same in Mexico--what are the lax authorities going to do--invade us or nuke us? IF WE ARE STRONGER AND SMARTER LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT NO ONE KILLS OR MAIMES A CITIZEN OF CANADAD..

Get a grip. I'm truly sorry for what your sister went through and I'm glad that she's going to be ok, but Canadians are robbed, knifed, killed, maimed ..... in Canada. It's not unique to Honduras, et al, by any means.

Edited March 7, 2010 by American Woman

[bloodyminded]

Wait, so the "only moral truth" is to be dominated by savages from backward nations? Would you make the same choice if the person to be "dominated" was your loved one? If I were in that position, I would certainly see the merit in us enforcing protection (or, if that fails, justice) for our citizens around the world, given that we had the capability to do so.

He said one person from our nation is more important than the entire population of another nation.

So yes, this is objectively the literal opposite of moral truth.

A situation involving my loved ones, and how I would FEEL in such a circumstance, is irrelevant to this truth.

[Bonam]

He said one person from our nation is more important than the entire population of another nation.

So yes, this is objectively the literal opposite of moral truth.

A situation involving my loved ones, and how I would FEEL in such a circumstance, is irrelevant to this truth.

And what is this "moral truth" you speak of? The greatest good for the greatest number? The utilitarian argument is far from the end all of the philosophy of morality.

[bloodyminded]

And what is this "moral truth" you speak of? The greatest good for the greatest number? The utilitarian argument is far from the end all of the philosophy of morality.

Nor is the outright moral relativism which opines that one Western life is more precious than the lives of an entire nation of "savages," as you sneered with racist contempt.

Try to avoid the most profoundly absurd arguments, if you can.