Death of Afghani civilians seems exceptable?

[Oleg Bach]

Maybe it was wrong to suggest that the only way that the west would rid it self of the Afghanistan issue was simply to rid itself of all Afghanis? Should have learned this a long time ago and never even in a cynical manner suggest anything to the wanna be ruling elite. First they talk about high tech rockets going astray as if they were richocheting bullets - Then air strikes on a bunch of peasants salvaging gas from a disabled tanker truck - Now whole families are being blown to smitherines..and all they can say is - ooops - or I am sorry - or that it is "difficult" for the allies to be accurate and just.

Difficult is a strange choice of words. I would say that it is not difficult enough for them in regards to the killing of civlians. It is difficult for those being maimed and killed - Sadly as the policy advisors and talking heads are being interviewed and questioned regarding civilian deaths - All I see to see is upper class pure bred white guys who look at the peasants as dirt - as Arab poor n**gers! Racism and elitism along with mindless adventurism is responsibe for the needless killing of those that apparently do not matter. It is getting evident that the Afhgani peasantry are expendable. It is very disturbing..but then again what do you expect of our new culture of modernity where water boarding is considered high tech interrogation - that "saves lives"?

[bush_cheney2004]

Would you gladly go back to your parent's Europe and accept your fate just to spare the lives of all those poor Slavic "n**ggers"?

[Oleg Bach]

Would you gladly go back to your parent's Europe and accept your fate just to spare the lives of all those poor Slavic "n**ggers"?

You never fail to shock me or make me laugh - This will take some thought..first - I am not really that sure if I am a slav or not - Our history - "roots" were kind of wiped out because of famine - revolution and war...I was born fair with pale eyes and now I just might be a decendent of some old lost Muslim tribe...I know you don't like the N word - and I guess I shocked you first - gotchya! As time goes on - I find that I really do not have a nation or a tribe _ I am a bit of every place and everyone..much like you oh so disloyal one to the human race.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not shocked at all....bruthas like me are used to seeing "NIGGER" co-opted by white folks for all their liberal causes and arguments. We own the brand....you just try to copy it.

[Oleg Bach]

Recently my oldest brother found out that my grandfather was an Cheychen exile- to Russia - so now that puts a whole new spin on the genetic factor _ When my father was clean shaven - he served as an honour guard at the Kremlin - in his older years if he let his beard and stash grow - He looked like one of those Afghans - Looks like I have no loyality genetically speaking - other than being mildly disturbed that some can kill the weak and justify it as an oooops - My dad could never figure out the anglo term "I am sorry" - He figured if they were truely sorry they would not have offended.

[Oleg Bach]

Not shocked at all....bruthas like me are used to seeing "NIGGER" co-opted by white folks for all their liberal causes and arguments. We own the brand....you just try to copy it.

Spent a year in the bowels of Oakland California - when asked if I was black while sitting on a bar stool in the rough hood - I paused and sincerely said - YES! _ Because I am more black than thee - YOU do not understand that the "foreigners" and their children were treated badly and brutally by white hicks...so BC _ I am black and YOU think like a frinking white guy.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... _ Because I am more black than thee - YOU do not understand that the "foreigners" and their children were treated badly and brutally by white hicks...so BC _ I am black and YOU think like a frinking white guy.

No...you are confusing what Bonnie Raitt said about not needing to be black to sing the blues. That has nothing to do with owning the NWA brand. Lots of causes try to co-opt "nigger" for attention. The stupid part is that "niggers" were never really bombed by tactical aircraft.

If you want to talk Afghanis in their own right, that's fine...just spare us from the "coon" drama.

[Oleg Bach]

Well BC - I understand that you were privledged by serving your nation and reap the rewards of your service. NOW you have a black president what ever the hell that is supposed to be - he sure looks white to me..and so do you - I guess you served your masters well...and that pension will keep you going for a while...but everyone seems to have a price _ I could not find mine..nor did I look very hard _ some of us would rather be poor and free than comfortable and endentured perminently.

[Oleg Bach]

No...you are confusing what Bonnie Raitt said about not needing to be black to sing the blues. That has nothing to do with owning the NWA brand. Lots of causes try to co-opt "nigger" for attention. The stupid part is that "niggers" were never really bombed by tactical aircraft.

If you want to talk Afghanis in their own right, that's fine...just spare us from the "coon" drama.

It seems that you are all about the coon drama.. I am glad you like aging red heads that play sweet slide guitar....Lets drop the whole negro bit - and get back to buisness....I am asking you a question in regards to attitude _ Does the leadership that is doing buisness in Afghanistan truely respect the local inhabitants or not? Simple question BC and you are experenced and a wealth of knowledge when it comes to as you said - "projection of power" It just seems that the hearts and minds thing is a fraud.

[bush_cheney2004]

There are more than enough shit sandwich stories to go around without having to pretend to be Bill "Bojangles" Robinson.

[bush_cheney2004]

I am asking you a question in regards to attitude _ Does the leadership that is doing buisness in Afghanistan truely respect the local inhabitants or not? Simple question BC and you are experenced and a wealth of knowledge when it comes to as you said - "projection of power" It just seems that the hearts and minds thing is a fraud.

Just part of the job....there is killin' to be done on all sides. Do you think the Taliban spares "Negroes" ?

[Oleg Bach]

Just part of the job....there is killin' to be done on all sides. Do you think the Taliban spares "Negroes" ?

Nope - and who come there are no Negroes" in the Israeli forces? Not that it's at issue..just a thought. Iraq did not work out as expected...or maybe it did..The Russians tried to kill as many Afghanis as possible civilian and para-military..but they ran out of steam..frankly I don't think that the Afghanis have the birth rate or the time to replenish the Taliban ranks - BUT the west has lots of bodies to be provided for noble sacrafice in the war on terror and the killing of dumb goat herders...Just wish that some of the corporate head that influence governement would send themselves or their own sons to the glorious cause of international bullying - That's all I see here - bullying and a war of attrition - Paint it any pretty colour that you want but the only way to stiffle the Taliban is to kill all of them - then bribe other nations that supply new ones.

[bush_cheney2004]

..... Paint it any pretty colour that you want but the only way to stiffle the Taliban is to kill all of them - then bribe other nations that supply new ones.

Nah....killing them all would violate the Endangered Species Act.

As for the civilians, much money (to them) will change hands, and then we will rack up the balls for another game.

[Oleg Bach]

Nah....killing them all would violate the Endangered Species Act.

As for the civilians, much money (to them) will change hands, and then we will rack up the balls for another game.

The core of the brain hides many secrets..one western secret is the dark fact that those in charge would like to kill every last Afghani woman man and child - and that would work out perfectly for them - But then that honest and effective act would destroy the illusion that the west are the good guys - the civilized ones _ The ones that do it all for freedom and to rid the streets of herione - and don't forget - so a little girl can go to school>" Actually - that leverage that is the high moral ground is like a stick about to break - how long will the dumbied down west go on with the comforting illusion that they are sweet and kind white knights in shinning armour?

[bush_cheney2004]

But then that honest and effective act would destroy the illusion that the west are the good guys - the civilized ones _ The ones that do it all for freedom and to rid the streets of herione - and don't forget - so a little girl can go to school>"

Has nothing to do with the influx dope....we're not bombing Canada and Mexico...yet. It's just that anybody who doesn't want to get with the program is subject to termination with extreme prejudice. It's not personal!

[Oleg Bach]

Here is what I believe. Those waging the conflict in Afghanistan are exactly like the Taliban. They are both in the same postion.. Both sides would truely just like to totally genocide the other - BUT for political reasons both mad dogs have to fake being human and humane or the victory through attrition will be an empty one - So to demoralize and mentally break the Taliban they have to break the average person - the civlian - AND it will continue and be percieved as accidental - and you will hear the repeated oooops over and over again - This strategy will work in not winning the hearts and minds - but destroying the hearts and minds of the civilians..which I suppose will work for the brutes just as well! As with all "victory" - It will be empty - The west will rule over a nation of broken and damaged dittering people - which again works out just fine for the cruel bastards.

[bush_cheney2004]

... This strategy will work in not winning the hearts and minds - but destroying the hearts and minds of the civilians..which I suppose will work for the brutes just as well! As with all "victory" - It will be empty - The west will rule over a nation of broken and damaged dittering people - which again works out just fine for the cruel bastards.

Correct....the hearts and minds of Europe and Japan have come around nicely since bombing the shit out of them.

[Oleg Bach]

Correct....the hearts and minds of Europe and Japan have come around nicely since bombing the shit out of them.

This is differnent. When they bombed the hell out of Germany it was the final strike against a worthy advesary..The Nazis were actually a dangerous and well orgainized bunch to deal with - It was a real war - This just seems so sporty..if you know what I mean - These peasants with their AKs and fertilzer bombs are like shooting fish in a barrel..There will never be a great victory and even if it was - it would be comparable to a couple of muscular 250 pound guys kicking the shit out of a mere boy - Khdar is a prime example of corporate heroics - and where the hell is that rich gangly home town hero - Bin Laden...? I guess the elite do not harm the sons of their own class?

[capricorn]

It's just that anybody who doesn't want to get with the program is subject to termination with extreme prejudice.

Would crying "UNCLE" help?

[bush_cheney2004]

Would crying "UNCLE" help?

No....please make that "UNCLE SAM" instead.

[Oleg Bach]

Would crying "UNCLE" help?

Crying UNCLE SAM - Will be helpful- the American military machine have a great huge arrogant ego - and begging for mercy seems to give them satisfaction and a sense of rightness. BC - got the flow of this tread to take a turn for the worst. Perhaps it is because he being a former military commander gives him some insight and a very pragmatic view on killing and looking like the good guy as you are doing it- Germany looked pretty good getting rid of the human filth - that would eventually worked up the food chain to us.

[bush_cheney2004]

Crying UNCLE SAM - Will be helpful- the American military machine have a great huge arrogant ego - and begging for mercy seems to give them satisfaction and a sense of rightness. BC - got the flow of this tread to take a turn for the worst.

Well what did you expect....riots in the streets to protest the deaths killing of innocent Afghan civilains?

As for the American experience....arrogance has been an asset once the turds hit the fan. Too late for boo-hoos now.

[Oleg Bach]

Well what did you expect....riots in the streets to protest the deaths killing of innocent Afghan civilains?

As for the American experience....arrogance has been an asset once the turds hit the fan. Too late for boo-hoos now.

I call it the dagger of incrimentalism.. We all spew about weapons of mass destruction because it reminds us of pictures of the holocaust..of thousands of heaped corpses as if Dracule the impaler just hit town - Fast body counts seem unexeceptable to the sensitivities of the western public - BUT if you kill directly and indirectly 70 thousands of Iraqis over a period of a few years - then that looks good and not brutal - It is like sticking the dagger in a milimeter per month for a few years - It is no different than the savage brutal plunge - Just not as noticable but has the same effect - death.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... It is no different than the savage brutal plunge - Just not as noticable but has the same effect - death.

Oh...but it is. I believe that Lyle Lovett called it "an acceptable level of misery".

The American's have also tried nuclear weapons on entire cities for the quick kill with success, but these were met with less favor from the audience which preferred more conventional killin'.

[Bonam]

Civilian casualties happen in war. How can you still be surprised or outraged by this?