Canada caters to France and their cultural ideologies

[CANADIEN]

Personal initiative is destroyed when one cannot cope with the corrupt linguistic legislation or actions that undermine that persons ability to succeed in their jobs.

Like the type of legislation you are promoting for Ontario.

Personal initiative can also be destroyed knowing that even if your language is the majority you will have a hard time finding employment because government propagated bilingualism has spread to private sector employers.

Personal initiative is doing what it takes, and getting the knowledge that is needed, to meet the requirement of the job. Not whining like an hapless baby because the "good old days" when French-speaking CANADIANS were second class citizens are gone.

Ottawa's main newspaper, every 8 months or so publish articles relating to the low moral in the federal public service. As a matter of fact there are three articles this weekend relating to bilingualism.

That newspaper is nothing more than a francophobe rag when it comes to language issues. Which is why you like it so much, of course.

[bloodyminded]

And how can you possibly know this for fact?

Because I live here, and because it's palpable. Because French folk are now working hand-in-hand with English folk where there used to be more segregation. Because the anti-French Confederation of Regions Party was a laughable joke when it was around, and is a dim embarrassed memory now that it's died. Because official bilingualism (which affects the French far more than the English...since almost all the French are bilingual, whereas the majority of the English dopn't need to be) is only offending a handful of bigoted knuckledraggers.

And again you have provided no proof that this is indeed the case.

Your "apartheid" remark was offerred without "proof"...so we take it for granted that it was your opinion. Why are you holding your debating opponents to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

It took me about 10 seconds to dig up this one little gem which shows that animosity does exist in New Brunswick.

I didn't say that no animosity existed in NB. Nor did I vaguely hint at it, nor faintly suggested such a thing.

I said there was LESS than there used to be. This amazes and offends you, for...some reason.

You mean you have never heard of someone gaining employment or obtaining some sort of favours,political or otherwise by the corrupt actions of someone loyal to that individuals culture/language.

And...how, exactly, would this NOT apply to a unilingual English province with a third of the population who are French?

Personal initiative is destroyed when one cannot cope with the corrupt linguistic legislation or actions that undermine that persons ability to succeed in their jobs.

Then how come the most of the French here have bothered to learn English? What's stopping us English from becoming bilingual in the same manner?

At any rate, i haven't seen this as a serious issue here. I don't speak French, and yet have never had a single job affected by this unfortunate lack.

Personal initiative can also be destroyed knowing that even if your language is the majority you will have a hard time finding employment because government propagated bilingualism has spread to private sector employers.

Private sector employers demand bilingualism only if and when it is demanded by BUSINESS interests. Take your complaint up with free market enthusiasts...because that's a free market phenomenon all the way.

[Leafless]

Your "apartheid" remark was offerred without "proof"...so we take it for granted that it was your opinion. Why are you holding your debating opponents to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

The Concise Oxford dictionary definition of apartheid..." A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race."

'Word Web' deinition of apartheid...."A social policy or racial segregation involving political and economic and legal discrimination against people who are not Whites; the former official policy in South Africa". Just transpose Whites to French and you should be able to grasp the general idea.

Your 'official bilingualism policy' in New Brunswick which is a governmental social policy is ample proof relating to a form of apartheid that exist in New Brunswick.

What amazes me is the initial arrogance of the federal and other levels of government, prior to implementing any type of bilingualism policy, was to view minority Quebec as being segregated by English speaking Canada, when the truth was, minority Quebec refused to be assimilated. A referendum should have been implemented at that time on whether or not to retain Quebec in confederation rather than discriminate, with linguistic policies against English speaking Canada.

I didn't say that no animosity existed in NB. Nor did I vaguely hint at it, nor faintly suggested such a thing.

I said there was LESS than there used to be. This amazes and offends you, for...some reason.

Imposed linguistic social policies relating to French wording on private sector commercial signs is outright discrimination and has little to do with animosity.

Then how come the most of the French here have bothered to learn English?

Simply for economic reasons.

What's stopping us English from becoming bilingual in the same manner?

Why become bilingual when you don't have to.

But in places like Ottawa Ontario, the French have been successful in establishing corrupt, discriminatory bilingual policies that detrimentally affect English speaking residents of Ottawa, relating to job opportunities.

At any rate, i haven't seen this as a serious issue here. I don't speak French, and yet have never had a single job affected by this unfortunate lack.

Lucky you!

Edited March 20, 2010 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

The Concise Oxford dictionary definition of apartheid..." A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race."

'Word Web' deinition of apartheid...."A social policy or racial segregation involving political and economic and legal discrimination against people who are not Whites; the former official policy in South Africa". Just transpose Whites to French and you should be able to grasp the general idea.

The general idea, which is clear to anyone who can get the definitions of apartheid YOU posted is that you do not know what you are talking about (again). The English and French languages have an equal status at the federal level, they have an equal status in New Brunswick, and they have (mostly) an equal status in Ontario. Equality of status is a form of apartheid only in your prejudiced mind.

[Leafless]

The English and French languages have an equal status at the federal level

By way of corrupt Nazi type language policies including parts of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

they have an equal status in New Brunswick,

In governmental circles only and again by way of corrupt language policies.

You have a hard time understanding that when a government imposes unwanted language laws without the consent of its citizens makes those laws corrupt Nazi type laws.

and they have (mostly) an equal status in Ontario.

In government circles only and again by way of corrupt Nazi type language laws. Mc.Guinty or no other provincial premier will ever make Ontario officially bilingual, that is if they, LOL, value their positon as premier.

[CANADIEN]

By way of corrupt Nazi type language policies including parts of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Correction: by way of laws that recognizes the rights of all Canadians. The only laws that come close to your description are "one language only" laws like those of quebec and those you want for Ontario. I know it, everyone who has a clue knows it, and you will never know it.

You have a hard time understanding that when a government imposes unwanted language laws without the consent of its citizens makes those laws corrupt Nazi type laws.

I have already admitted that I have a hard time understanding what makes too little sense to be understood, like the drivel you keep posting. What you will never understand is how our parliamentary DEMOCRACY works.

[Leafless]

Correction: by way of laws that recognizes the rights of all Canadians.

Which is also known as employment equity.

The only laws that come close to your description are "one language only" laws like those of quebec and those you want for Ontario.

Absolutely! What is good for Quebec is good for Ontario.

English is also the official language in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

What you will never understand is how our parliamentary DEMOCRACY works.

I very well know how a totalitarian government works.

I know how Trudeau's 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms' seized power from Canada's citizens and permitted judges and other levels of government to dictate the terms of our freedoms.

I also know corporate Canada would never allow the government to hold referendums that could fracture the country and cause civl unrest.

This is why I say nothing short of a revolution or a government in financial dire straits, would be the only answer to correct Canada's failure as a democracy.

[CANADIEN]

There's a little tidbit I wrote rcently that you won't comment about, leafless. Could it be because you can't respond to it without people seeing plainly that your drivel is fueled by just plain francophobia? let me post it again.

What is good enough for Ontario is good enough for Quebec. I for one think that Quebec should do for its English-speaking population what Ontario does for its French-speaking population.

Edited March 23, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Ever looked at Alberta's and Saskatchewan's language act? I have. And the word official does not appear in them.

Well, why don't you impress us and post your discovery.

Good for you. But as you demonstrate time and time again, you do not undertand the difference between a totalitrian government and the parliamentary system we have in this country.

The difference is borderline.

All I know we have the right to vote and our members of parliament DO NOT represent our political concerns, as they mostly tow the party line.

Say DICTATOR ....real slow.

[Peter F]

All I know we have the right to vote and our members of parliament DO NOT represent our political concerns, as they mostly tow the party line.

Say DICTATOR ....real slow.

Perhaps you should vote for folks who DO represent your political concerns.

Say DUHHHH real slow

[Leafless]

Perhaps you should vote for folks who DO represent your political concerns.

Say DUHHHH real slow

Not another damn socialist.

[CANADIEN]

Well, why don't you impress us and post your discovery.

Not a discovery, but simply something that anyone reading the Acts would see for themselves. But then, you never bothered reading them... in other words, once again, you do not know what you're talking about. But for the benefit of those who have a clue (that is most people beside you), here we go:

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/stat/rsa-2000-c-l-6/latest/rsa-2000-c-l-6.html

http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/laws/stat/ss-1988-89-c-l-6.1/latest/ss-1988-89-c-l-6.1.html

[CANADIEN]

Perhaps you should vote for folks who DO represent your political concerns.

Say DUHHHH real slow

He won't find any who are that disconnected from logic. That's his problem.

[Leafless]

Not a discovery, but simply something that anyone reading the Acts would see for themselves. But then, you never bothered reading them... in other words, once again, you do not know what you're talking about.

English is the official language of Alberta and Sask.

BTW--Go to hell with your cheap shots and insults.

Sask. Language Act (1988) English is the official language of Saskatchewan.

The use of French is permitted in the Legislative Assembly and before certain courts.

All acts and regulations may be enacted in English only or in English and French.

Government of Saskatchewan French-Language Services Policy (2003) Communication with the public and service delivery are provided in the

two official languages where appropriate.

Provisions have been made for consultations with the Francophone community.

Policy guidelines exist to facilitate the implementation of the language policy by government departments and agencies.

Alta. Languages Act (1988) English is the official language of Alberta.

The use of French is permitted in legislative proceedings and before certain courts.

All acts and regulations are enacted, printed and published in English.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0638-e.htm

Edited March 26, 2010 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

English is the official language of Alberta and Sask.

You can quote the exact wording from any Alberta or Saskatchewan law that says "English is the official language of [inserts name of the province]"? Until you do so, your opinion remains nothing more than that, no matter how many opinions you can find. You can follow the links I have posted to get to the laws, read it, and show where IN THE ACTS the words official appear.

Find the word "official" in the acts, and you will have convinced me that such status exists.

Oh BTW:

1 - The only true insult here is your continuous insult against facts and logic - and anyone who does not share your bigoted delusions.

2 - Still waiting for what you have to say on my statement that Quebec should do for its English-speaking population what Ontario does for its French-language population. Care to comment?

Edited March 27, 2010 by CANADIEN

[eaglesnester]

The only problem is that they did not colonize enough.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Canada

The claim to North America was made by England and explorer John Cabot.

http://www.histori.ca/minutes/minute.do?id=10122

[eaglesnester]

Ah the French. Ted Neugent got it right when he said,"The French are a lot like deer. All they are capable of thinking about is, who they are going to screw next, what they are going to eat next, and how fast and how far they have to run to get away from their enemies``. Enough said.

Edited March 27, 2010 by eaglesnester

[bloodyminded]

Ah the French. Ted Neugent got it right when he said,"The French are a lot like deer. All they are capable of thinking of is, who they are going to screw next, what they are going to eat next, and how fast and how far they have to run to get away from their enemies. Enough said.

The great philosopher Ted Nugent admires Sarah Palin. Enough said.

[CANADIEN]

Ah the French.

Another one unable to make the difference between French and Canadian.

Ted Neugent got it right when he said

that Barack Obama is Mao? He shoudl stick to his career as a second rate musician.

Edited March 27, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Find the word "official" in the acts, and you will have convinced me that such status exists.

Which proves HOW CORRUPT the federal government is when it comes to allowing a single province to declare the language of that province official.

To date only a single province in Canada (Quebec) has been permitted to do that, in conjunction with federal approval.

The federal government by nature is pro-french and is badgering provinces and territories to promote French language services.

Oh BTW:

1 - The only true insult here is your continuous insult against facts and logic - and anyone who does not share your bigoted delusions.

I am not a bigot as I support a FREE and DEMOCRATIC CANADA.

Canadians to-day are no better than serfs, controlled by their feudal master.

I do not support federal protected groups, Jews, gays, Fancophones, immigrants, Muslims, native groups, but I respect the law.

2 - Still waiting for what you have to say on my statement that Quebec should do for its English-speaking population what Ontario does for its French-language population. Care to comment?

Your statement is nonsensical. Quebec plays by it's own rules and is NOT fully dominated or influenced by the federal government.

The province of Ontario and all other provinces, territories and cities are under linguistic control by the federal government and in some provinces, lower levels of government, provincial and municipal.

We are similar to a dictatorship...remember.

[CANADIEN]

Which proves HOW CORRUPT the federal government is when it comes to allowing a single province to declare the language of that province official.

Correction... it proves that you do not have a clue.

To date only a single province in Canada (Quebec) has been permitted to do that, in conjunction with federal approval.

Wrong. Quebec did not ask permission, did not get permission, did not need permission. Nor would the other provinces but so far they've had the good sense not to go that route.

I am not a bigot as I support a FREE and DEMOCRATIC CANADA (...)

I do not support federal protected groups, Jews, gays, Fancophones, immigrants, Muslims, native groups,

(warning: sarcasm starts here) You're not bigoted, you only want to be "free" to discriminate against anyone who is different from you/ I stand corrected.(and of sarcasm)

Your statement is nonsensical.

If it's nonsensical to want Quebec to do the right thing, then your crusade to have Ontario do the wrong is beyond non-sensical. Don't worry, I do not expect you to get it.

The province of Ontario and all other provinces, territories and cities are under linguistic control by the federal government and in some provinces, lower levels of government, provincial and municipal.

We are similar to a dictatorship...remember.

I remember that we are nothing like a dictatorship.

[Leafless]

Correction... it proves that you do not have a clue.

Well then, please inform us.

Wrong. Quebec did not ask permission, did not get permission, did not need permission. Nor would the other provinces but so far they've had the good sense not to go that route.

Federalist PM Trudeau gave Quebec all the permission it needed (Official Language policy, Multicultural policy, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) relating to Quebec,s perpetual language crisis and their inflated idea of their own political importance.

The federal government (relating to permission) could use many different ways to encourage or discourage the linguistic course a province intends to pursue.

Example:

The Sault Ste. Marie language resolution, which resolved that English was the sole working language of city was attacked resulting with that resolution, eventually being struck down.

Many political figures, including Brian Mulroney <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Mulroney>, Jean Chrétien <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chrétien> and Ontario premier David Peterson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Peterson>, who had strongly condemned Premier Bourassa's use of the notwithstanding clause, expressed their opposition to the city's move. Both Peterson and his successor as premier, Bob Rae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rae>, refused to meet with mayor Joe Fratesi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Fratesi> on several subsequent occasions, even to discuss unrelated matters.

In particular, the resolution was seen as a slap in the face to Quebec <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec>, where it was widely viewed as racist. (One Environment Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_Canada> meteorologist sent out a weather report for Sault Ste. Marie in which the forecast called for "a chance of flurries and Nazis <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi>", leading to her suspension.) Council defended the resolution, suggesting that Quebec's language laws and its refusal to abide by the Supreme Court ruling also constituted racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sault_Ste._Marie_language_resolution

(warning: sarcasm starts here) You're not bigoted, you only want to be "free" to discriminate against anyone who is different from you/ I stand corrected.(and of sarcasm)

That is supposed be witty....unfortunately, I don't share your sense of humour.

[CANADIEN]

Well then, please inform us.

The notion of equal rights and parliamentary democracy, amongst others, have been explained often enough on this site that those who have a clue do not need to have them repeated. As for th fact that you are clueles, you've just demonstrated it yourself. Only taking leave from basic logic can someone claim that official bingualism constitute some form of permission or go ahead for official unilingualism.

[Leafless]

The notion of equal rights and parliamentary democracy, amongst others, have been explained often enough on this site that those who have a clue do not need to have them repeated.

Your trust in politicians is astounding.

My argument has been the lack of referendums and or plebicites relating to important political issues.

I gave two important examples one relating to Trudeau's questionable political initatives (Official Language policy, Multicultural policy, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) and the attack by politicians relating to the Sault Ste. Marie English language resolution. Both of these examples should have been left to Canadians to decide for themselves via referendums or plebicites.

[Oleg Bach]

Why do all FRENCH pop singers sound the same? The all have the same voice..kind of like an Italian gravel truck with a bad transmission. WHY DO THE FRENCH ALL HAVE THOSE THIN NASTY LIPS....AND WHY DID WE STICK A FRENCH NATION IN THE CENTER OF OURS?