msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 See facebook! Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament or my blog Description: On December 30th, 2009, for the second time in as many years, Stephen Harper has asked the Governor General to prorogue parliament. Like last time, he will certainly get what he's asking for, forsaking his responsibility to be accountable to his employers, us Canadians citizens.What can we do? Ask your MP to attend parliament anyways. Think it can't be done? Check this out:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_ParliamentFirst, find your MP:http://canada.gc.ca/directories-repertoires/direct-eng.html#mpOur Members of Parliament are our employees, and they should show up to do what we pay them for. If you need help getting started, here's a sample letter:Dear [MPs name]:I am writing to you to ask that you ignore Stephen Harper's request to prorogue parliament and attend anyway. This is not unprecedented in a parliamentary democracy, having occurred in England in 1640. It is important to me that you attend and I look forward to hearing from you soon.Sincerely,[Your Name]Cher Député ou Ministre (nom)Je vous écrit pour vour demander d'ignorer la requête de prorogation du Premier Ministre Stephen Harper et de vous présenter à la Chambre des Communes malgré tout. Ceci n'est pas un précédent pour un gouvernement démocratique puisque cela s'est produit en 1640 en Angleterre. Il est très important pour moi (nous) que vous teniez cet engagement de vous présenter à la Chambre des Communes malgré une prorogation et j'attends avec impatience d'obtenir des nouvelles de vous. Sincèrement,(vote nom)Écrivez une lettre, un courriel ou téléphonez votre député. Faites circuler auprès de vos amis et de votre famille pour qu'ils s'impliquent. Nous devons montrer à ce gouvernement ce qu'est une VRAIE démocratie.Vous pouvez également contacter la Gourverneure Générale. Même si la décision a déjà été prise, il n'est pas trop tard pour lui faire connaître votre indignation et votre colère. Email Gouverneure Générale [email protected], email, write your MP. Tell your friends and family to get involved. We need to show the government what real democracy is about!Also, feel free to contact the Governor General. While her decision has already been made, its not too late to voice your anger:[email protected] (read less) On December 30th, 2009, for the second time in as many years, Stephen Harper has asked the Governor General to prorogue parliament. Like last time, he will certainly get what he's asking for, forsaking his responsibility to be accountable to his employers, us Canadians citizens.What can we do? Ask your MP to attend parliament anyways. Think it can't be done? Check this out:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_ParliamentFirst, find your... (read more) Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 (edited) And yet parliament has been prorogued on average ever 1.5 years. Hardly undemocratic, spread your propaganda elsewhere. Edited January 7, 2010 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 And yet parliament has been prorogued on average ever 1.5 years. Hardly undemocratic, spread your lies elsewhere. the liberals only did it for times in 12 years!!!!. Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 the liberals only did it for times in 12 years!!!!. Parliament has been prorogued 105 times since confederation in 1867. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 Parliament has been prorogued 105 times since confederation in 1867. [/quote your pont????? Quote
William Ashley Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 (edited) And yet parliament has been prorogued on average ever 1.5 years. Hardly undemocratic, spread your propaganda elsewhere. Democratic means a majority decision - the decision of one person is NOT democratic it is totalitarian and dictorial (from a dick tory). If he would have proposed it before parliament, explained there was business that needed to be attended to, or that the current legislation plan and the 60% of work, employees salaries and bills were counter productive to the work of parliament and everyone needed an extra month to air out and recollect their thoughts before they redressed the situation to see if they were on the same page they were in the fall - and they agreed THAT would be democratic to the point that first past the post representative democracy can be. Harper phoning up the GG and saying the last 8 months of work was a waste of time, I'd like a longer vacation to reduce my working months to around 7 OK. IS NOT DEMOCRACY. Him working 6 months a year and getting paid for a full year is totally off, how about cutting his salary in half, and treating it as an unpaid suspension with it not counting towards the gracious pensions all the MP's get - so as to reduce the 30 Million this one month baring of legislative process is costing tax payers with no work. Edited January 7, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 Parliament has been prorogued 105 times since confederation in 1867. [/quote your pont????? That it is a common parliamentary occurrence, and not the affront you think it is. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 ame='msdogfood' date='06 January 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1262838663' post='497427'] That it is a common parliamentary occurrence, and not the affront you think it is. i know it is my problem is this PMO doing it for no good resin this time!! Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 i know it is my problem is this PMO doing it for no good resin this time!! No he and the government have a good reason for doing it, just one you don't agree with. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 No he and the government have a good reason for doing it, just one you don't agree with. ok you tell me the good reason for doing it!! Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 ok you tell me the good reason for doing it!! I'm neither a mp or PMSH, I don't know why only speculation. That said prorogation, is a part of our constitution democracy it has been used by many every governing party. When parliament is prorogued it effective halts all legislative ability, you should be happy the conservative government is unable to pass conservative legislation until march, you should be elated. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ZenOps Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 Noone cared when parliament was prorogued before 1975, because back then the Canadian govt really didn't have to do anything. Our laws were ironclad taken from the British North America Act. If the goverment went years sitting on their asses doing nothing - it was just par for the course. Canada really only gained partial control of its own destiny in 1982 with the Canadian Constitution, about the time you could say that Canada had some semblance of "Democracy". To Prorogue government at this point in time and for such petty reasons is irresponsible to every Canadian citizen. I could tell Rob Anders (MP Calgary West, formerly Harpers riding) - But he doesn't listen to people who aren't white, and I'm not joking about that. Quote
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 Noone cared when parliament was prorogued before 1975, because back then the Canadian govt really didn't have to do anything. Our laws were ironclad taken from the British North America Act. If the goverment went years sitting on their asses doing nothing - it was just par for the course. Canada really only gained partial control of its own destiny in 1982 with the Canadian Constitution, about the time you could say that Canada had some semblance of "Democracy". To Prorogue government at this point in time and for such petty reasons is irresponsible to every Canadian citizen. I could tell Rob Anders (MP Calgary West, formerly Harpers riding) - But he doesn't listen to people who aren't white, and I'm not joking about that. Thank-you!!!! Quote
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 Thank-you!!!! so how bad do you think it will be for the PMO?? Quote
nicky10013 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 I'm neither a mp or PMSH, I don't know why only speculation. That said prorogation, is a part of our constitution democracy it has been used by many every governing party. When parliament is prorogued it effective halts all legislative ability, you should be happy the conservative government is unable to pass conservative legislation until march, you should be elated. Ahahaha the government has a good reason, they just haven't shared that reason with anyone. So much more democratic. Listen, you're right, proroguement IS a regular occurance. However, no matter how many examples you can come up with they just do not compare to what Harper is doing right now. There's just no comparison. Furthermore, Conservatives not able to pass Conservative legislation isn't the point. The point is he's shutting down the institution in which my voice is represented in the halls of government. Why? Well, you can't tell me why but I can certainly venture a guess. It got a little too hot in the kitchen and the PM decided to bolt. Questions and denials are a dirty thing when you're caught in a lie and recorded on Hansard. The man simply doesn't want to deal with the opposition. He's taking the ball, going home and ruling by decree until after the Olympics. Stephen Harper himself has a quote on what he's currently doing. There was talk Paul Martin might prorogue to get away from adscam which never came to fruition. Stephen Harper was directly quoted as saying proroging parliament is undemocratic and leaves the government unaccountable. Liar and a Hypocrite. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 That said prorogation, is a part of our constitution democracy it has been used by many every governing party.The question is not whether proroguing parliament is constitutional or not. Of course it is constitutional. The question is whether the Prime Minister ethically ought to be able to prorogue parliament at his or her whim without taking it to the house for a vote. Proroguing parliament, in this circumstance, is an insult to responsible government (answerable to the representatives of the people in the house) and accountability. Harper has a 'reason' to prorogue parliament and it's completely within his constitutional powers to do so, I'm sure. Whether he ought to be able to or not and what the implications of doing so are the questions we should be considering. Quote
waldo Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 No he and the government have a good reason for doing it, just one you don't agree with. ok you tell me the good reason for doing it!!I'm neither a mp or PMSH, I don't know why only speculation. That said prorogation, is a part of our constitution democracy it has been used by many every governing party. When parliament is prorogued it effective halts all legislative ability, you should be happy the conservative government is unable to pass conservative legislation until march, you should be elated. oh my... after just reading your rabid junk-yard dog act rallying behind the "honesty" of the CPC caucus, one doesn't expect such a waffle from you over the Harper/CPC perogy rationale - c'mon... even accepting to your described speculation... what are those good reasons for doing it. You categorically state Harper/CPC have "a good reason" for doing it... what is it? What is/are the good reason(s)... not Harper/CPC self-serving reasons... just the good reason(s) you speak of? Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 oh my... after just reading your rabid junk-yard dog act rallying behind the "honesty" of the CPC caucus, one doesn't expect such a waffle from you over the Harper/CPC perogy rationale - c'mon... even accepting to your described speculation... what are those good reasons for doing it. You categorically state Harper/CPC have "a good reason" for doing it... what is it? What is/are the good reason(s)... not Harper/CPC self-serving reasons... just the good reason(s) you speak of? I said he must have a good reason, nor do I care what it is, but I do love it when the uber left gets a riled up he must be doing something right. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 but you the best reason in my opinion is to re configure the senate committees, so now the liberals will have show their spots in the house on every piece of legislation. They will have to kill it in the house of commons, instead of using procedure to kill bills in he senate. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 I said he must have a good reason, nor do I care what it is, but I do love it when the uber left gets a riled up he must be doing something right. Harper appreciates your blind allegiance... apparently, you won't even speculate what the Harper/CPC perogy rationale is? You know it's good... you just don't know what it is... nor do you care! Quote
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 Ahahaha the government has a good reason, they just haven't shared that reason with anyone. So much more democratic. Listen, you're right, proroguement IS a regular occurance. However, no matter how many examples you can come up with they just do not compare to what Harper is doing right now. There's just no comparison. Furthermore, Conservatives not able to pass Conservative legislation isn't the point. The point is he's shutting down the institution in which my voice is represented in the halls of government. Why? Well, you can't tell me why but I can certainly venture a guess. It got a little too hot in the kitchen and the PM decided to bolt. Questions and denials are a dirty thing when you're caught in a lie and recorded on Hansard. The man simply doesn't want to deal with the opposition. He's taking the ball, going home and ruling by decree until after the Olympics. Stephen Harper himself has a quote on what he's currently doing. There was talk Paul Martin might prorogue to get away from adscam which never came to fruition. Stephen Harper was directly quoted as saying proroging parliament is undemocratic and leaves the government unaccountable. Liar and a Hypocrite. see this is what i am thinking!! Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 Harper appreciates your blind allegiance... apparently, you won't even speculate what the Harper/CPC perogy rationale is? You know it's good... you just don't know what it is... nor do you care! Nope in no way does this effect anything in this country. If he hadn't prorogued he would still be governing, thanks to both the Liberals and the NDP as they both took turns supporting the conservatives, that must really hurt. As far as I am concerned to this point Harper has done the job better then any other leader in the house could. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
msdogfood Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 Harper appreciates your blind allegiance... apparently, you won't even speculate what the Harper/CPC perogy rationale is? You know it's good... you just don't know what it is... nor do you care! boy so smug!!! Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 see this is what i am thinking!! You people talk like the house is never going to sit again. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 but you the best reason in my opinion is to re configure the senate committees, so now the liberals will have show their spots in the house on every piece of legislation. They will have to kill it in the house of commons, instead of using procedure to kill bills in he senate. oh... you do have a reason after all... but I thought it wouldn't be a self-serving one. Can you state which bills were 'killed' in the Senate... in this latest 40th Parliament, 2nd Session? Can you state which bills were even significantly impacted by the Senate... in this latest 40th Parliament, 2nd Session? I posted earlier in that regard - although it won't be the help you're looking for: Kady O'Malley has upped her game since hiring on with the CBC she provides insight/commentary that negates the Harper Conservative talking point concerning "Senate Obstructionism"... as in, "it's not the Senate's fault" graphic showing the real legislative impacts of this latest Harper Conservative perogy run: Legislation Progress Chart Quote
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