bud Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 typical. see how these people work? 1) one of many war hungry, israeli apologists spreads misinformation by claiming: "iran is irrational and crazy", then we get a chorus of ugly like-minded people following him announcing "that's why we have no choice but to turn them into glass". 2) a post is made, showing that top israeli and american officials believe that "iran is a rational regime". 3) war hungry chicken-hawk israeli apologist tries to deter and derail the truth which goes against the war script, by posting a picture of "neda" to score emotional points like it somehow changes what these top israeli and american officials believe about the iranian regime. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 typical. see how these people work? 1) one of many war hungry, israeli apologists spreads misinformation by claiming: "iran is irrational and crazy", then we get a chorus of ugly like-minded people following him announcing "that's why we have no choice but to turn them into glass". 2) a post is made, showing that top israeli and american officials believe that "iran is a rational regime". 3) war hungry chicken-hawk israeli apologist tries to deter and derail the truth which goes against the war script, by posting a picture of "neda" to score emotional points like it somehow changes what these top israeli and american officials believe about the iranian regime. Not Neda...there are thousands more like this. This is the results of a government you claim is a 'rational actor'. Some more of Iran's dead...murdered by the Iranian government. Their own government. As for your ignorant statement re: turning Iran into glass. Nobody said anything of the sort here at MLW. For your information, if it wasn't for this murderous government that you support, Iran and Israel would still be the great friends they were right up until 1979. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Not Neda...there are thousands more like this. This is the results of a government you claim is a 'rational actor'. Some more of Iran's dead...murdered by the Iranian government. Their own government. As for your ignorant statement re: turning Iran into glass. Nobody said anything of the sort here at MLW. For your information, if it wasn't for this murderous government that you support, Iran and Israel would still be the great friends they were right up until 1979. This is just a silly strawmen. What both US and Israeli intelligence have said is that Iran is a rational actor in terms of foreign policy. Not that they have a good record on human rights. Answering that by posting pictures of dead protesters is an excersize in dishonesty and propoganda, nothing more. Edited December 31, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 Just is just a silly strawmen. What both US and Israeli intelligence have said is that Iran is a rational actor in terms of foreign policy. Not that they have a good record on human rights. Answering that by posting pictures of dead protesters is an excersize in dishonesty and propoganda, nothing more. A government willing to murder its own in the streets, concentration camps and torture prisons is not a 'rational actor'. A government that funds terrorism on a global scale is not a 'rational actor'. A government that sent children to clear land mines the hard way is not a 'rational actor'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 A government willing to murder its own in the streets, concentration camps and torture prisons is not a 'rational actor'. A government that funds terrorism on a global scale is not a 'rational actor'. A government that sent children to clear land mines the hard way is not a 'rational actor'. Just is just a silly strawmen. What both US and Israeli intelligence have said is that Iran is a rational actor in terms of foreign policy. Not that they have a good record on human rights. Answering that by posting pictures of dead protesters is an excersize in dishonesty and propoganda, nothing more. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted December 31, 2012 Report Posted December 31, 2012 Just is just a silly strawmen. What both US and Israeli intelligence have said is that Iran is a rational actor in terms of foreign policy. Not that they have a good record on human rights. Answering that by posting pictures of dead protesters is an excersize in dishonesty and propoganda, nothing more. I don't really care what you think US and Israeli 'intelligence' says, dre. A country that does these things and more is NOT to be trusted. A country willing to kill its own is MORE than willing to kill you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 dogonporch: the iranian regime is not a rational regime. vs top u.s. and israeli officials: “I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people,” General Gantz added. link "The regime in Iran is a very rational one," says the former top Israeli spymaster. link Gen. Martin Dempsey: That is a great question, and I'll tell you that I've been confronting that question since I commanded Central Command in 2008. And we are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. link Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 dogonporch: the iranian regime is not a rational regime. vs top u.s. and israeli officials: “I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people,” General Gantz added. link "The regime in Iran is a very rational one," says the former top Israeli spymaster. link Gen. Martin Dempsey: That is a great question, and I'll tell you that I've been confronting that question since I commanded Central Command in 2008. And we are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows. Rational actors @ work. I wonder what their 'crimes' were? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Simply search for 'police brutality USA' on youtube and you will find a lot of the same goes on in the USA, actually all over the place. But those pesky Iranians .. right? That's a bit extreme. Don't you think most people having deadly interactions with the police were doing something? I don't think the police routinely engage in cold-blooded massacres. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Rational actors @ work. I wonder what their 'crimes' were? Probably gay. Do we not have anyone on who can read arabic backwards? Quote
jbg Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Probably gay. Do we not have anyone on who can read arabic backwards? They speak Farsi in Iran.But one wonders, why is rabble.ca so pro-Iran given their hatred for gays, women, animals, etc.? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) They speak Farsi in Iran. But one wonders, why is rabble.ca so pro-Iran given their hatred for gays, women, animals, etc.? I was thinking that anyone who could read Arabic backwards could probably read Farsi too. Your question is one I've been struggling with for years. Why would a person who would foam at the mouth at the thought of a western society denying homosexuals the right to marry turn a blind eye to societies that deny them the right to live. Same with your other examples. Edited January 1, 2013 by bcsapper Quote
jbg Posted January 1, 2013 Report Posted January 1, 2013 Your question is one I've been struggling with for years. Why would a person who would foam at the mouth at the thought of a western society denying homosexuals the right to marry turn a blind eye to societies that deny them the right to live. Same with your other examples. I struggle with it too. I do have great admiration for Arab and Muslim cultures but there are contradictions. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) don't struggle too much. this is worth repeating: This is just a silly strawmen. What both US and Israeli intelligence have said is that Iran is a rational actor in terms of foreign policy. Not that they have a good record on human rights. Answering that by posting pictures of dead protesters is an excersize in dishonesty and propoganda, nothing more. this is worth repeating as well: “I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people,” General Gantz added. link "The regime in Iran is a very rational one," says the former top Israeli spymaster. link Gen. Martin Dempsey: That is a great question, and I'll tell you that I've been confronting that question since I commanded Central Command in 2008. And we are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. link Edited January 2, 2013 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
dre Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 Its easy to understand why people are afraid to talk about Iranian foreign policy and instead post whatever unflattering pictures they can find on google. Any honest assessment of Iran would conclude that they are relatively careful and constrained and that the Ayatollah has acted to preserve his own rule, and been careful not to make any bug moves. It would also conclude that Iran has been the victim of aggression in the middle east a lot more than it has been the perpetrator. It is a relatively unremarkable middle tier player in the region... it supports groups that support Shia muslims such as the government in Iraq, Hezbollah, Assad etc, but only in a measured way. But human rights is Irans weak point. Its a backwards theocracy run by fundamentalists... So it makes sense for people who fancy a conflict with Iran to use these kind of images as propoganda. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 So your claim is that, like Neda, the US government shoots demonstrators in the street in cold blood? It could happen, but is that different from beating a homeless Iraq war vet to death? Quote
Guest Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 don't struggle too much. this is worth repeating: this is worth repeating as well: “I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people,” General Gantz added. link "The regime in Iran is a very rational one," says the former top Israeli spymaster. link Gen. Martin Dempsey: That is a great question, and I'll tell you that I've been confronting that question since I commanded Central Command in 2008. And we are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. link Aren't these the same people who told you that Saddam had WMD? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) It could happen, but is that different from beating a homeless Iraq war vet to death? 1) I don't think the guy is vet, so I don't know where you got that piece of misinformation 2) The police officers involved were not acting on the orders and directions of their superiors but were acting on their own. 3) Comparing the death of a mentally ill homeless men beaten by some idiots who happened to be in uniform to the organized and government sanctioned executions of people who have committed no crime other than be themselves is sad... The difference is that one group commits atrocities in an organized way while the other (the US in this case) has isolated cases which are then dealt with individually and according to the law. Edited January 2, 2013 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted January 2, 2013 Report Posted January 2, 2013 Aren't these the same people who told you that Saddam had WMD? Yeah but now that they are saying what he wants to hear it must be right... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bud Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Aren't these the same people who told you that Saddam had WMD? not that i know of. i did some search and couldn't find any of them repeating the lies about saddam's WMD. however, i did find one of the biggest liars in our world today, bibi, giving a speech about iraq, very similar to the, "end of the world, we must attack now" speech he gave about iran: Edited January 3, 2013 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 Surprise, surprise. The topic turns to Israel and the evilly evil those evil evildoers do. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 bud: the lies about saddam's WMD. You mean the one that caused all the fake deaths? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_program Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 1) I don't think the guy is vet, so I don't know where you got that piece of misinformation His name was Kelly Thomas. I think one of his father's friends who supported them was a vet ... either way a man is dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas Kelly Thomas (April 5, 1974 – July 10, 2011) was a homeless man diagnosed with schizophrenia who lived on the streets of Fullerton, California. He was killed as the result of an altercation with members of the Fullerton Police Department on July 5, 2011. After paramedics treated the officers first for their minor injuries,[2] Thomas was taken to St. Jude Medical Center before being transferred to the UC Irvine Medical Center, where he was comatose on arrival and not expected to recover. He never regained consciousness, and died on July 10, 2011.[3] Medical records show that bones in his face were broken and he choked on his own blood.[4] The coroner concluded that compression of the thorax made it impossible for Thomas to breathe normally and deprived his brain of oxygen.[5] His parents removed him from life support five days later, and he died from his injuries on July 10, 2011.[6] Officer Manuel Ramos was charged with one count of second-degree murder and one count of involuntary manslaughter; Corporal Jay Cicinelli and Officer Joseph Wolfe were each charged with one count of felony involuntary manslaughter and one count of excessive force.[5][7][8] All three pleaded not guilty. 2) The police officers involved were not acting on the orders and directions of their superiors but were acting on their own. Irrelevant, cops are not supposed to be like this. But it is happening, and many are let off..... why? 3) Comparing the death of a mentally ill homeless men beaten by some idiots who happened to be in uniform to the organized and government sanctioned executions of people who have committed no crime other than be themselves is sad... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/hearing-postponed-in-kelly-thomas-case.html What is sad is that a person is dead at the hands of police who think they are above the law. many police departments are corrupt and cover up this kind of thing. The difference is that one group commits atrocities in an organized way while the other (the US in this case) has isolated cases which are then dealt with individually and according to the law. Listen to the cop at the start when he puts on the gloves telling Thomas he is about to get 'fucked up'. That is not a peace officer, that is a goddamn thug. And see how many cops got off for this kind of behavior. But the thing is, the police beatings are widespread and not really reported in the MSM. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 But the thing is, the police beatings are widespread and not really reported in the MSM. Here's the point again. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=iran%20execution&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=aZjlUPrSC8TcigLBlYCoDw&biw=1353&bih=652&sei=bJjlUMKLHIfeigK-k4G4Dw Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted January 3, 2013 Report Posted January 3, 2013 Here's the point again. https://www.google.c...LHIfeigK-k4G4Dw It's not much of a point really. Quote
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