The Ends Of Tolerance and Western Capitulation

[lictor616]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG4d3X2zsaQ

Is this more strength for a country? Is diversity really a strength for a country?

I'd like to hear from all the conformist liberals who keep reassuring all of us that third world immigration is a great strength for a nation... I mean i really would...

[Oleg Bach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG4d3X2zsaQ

Is this more strength for a country? Is diversity really a strength for a country?

I'd like to hear from all the conformist liberals who keep reassuring all of us that third world immigration is a great strength for a nation... I mean i really would...

Like I said to you before Lictor..don't blame the dumb immigrant for this problem- It was your superiour white establishment that betrayed you...why don't you deal accordingly with them? Find out who approved this swarm of cheap labour that literally took over in time...Big buisness is where you have to look for the answers...Your approach is like Americans blaming some peasants in Afghanistan for the 9 11 woes - when the Saudis financed the operation and tacitly approved of it with their American counterparts turning a blind eye to what they for saw would enhance their power.

[Melanie_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG4d3X2zsaQ

Is this more strength for a country? Is diversity really a strength for a country?

I'd like to hear from all the conformist liberals who keep reassuring all of us that third world immigration is a great strength for a nation... I mean i really would...

I'm curious why you would name this thread the end of tolerance. The fact that they are able to stage their demonstration in public signals to me that there is an ample tolerance for diversity. And, if people express their views publicly, those of us who disagree can also do so publicly, which is what you have done here. I would argue that it is a healthy thing to have people express divergent views, whether they be Muslim or even Neo Nazi, so we have the opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and even confrontation when necessary.

[lictor616]

Like I said to you before Lictor..don't blame the dumb immigrant for this problem- It was your superiour white establishment that betrayed you...why don't you deal accordingly with them?

one would think that my frequent use of the term "political prostitutes and traitors" when referring to our politicians demonstrates my understanding of this reality.

In reality I don't blame the immigrants... they simply take it for granted that we have maggots in our brains and are simply too stupid to NOT be fleeced.

Their contempt of Westerners is entirely justified. We are indeed suicidally deranged... they see our idiot pop morality of "diversity is our strength" is simply insane.

we might as well be saying: "we welcome our own dispossession, please come and take our land and resources and progeny away from us, we'll pay you for it"...

[lictor616]

I'm curious why you would name this thread the end of tolerance.

notice its "ENDS" of tolerance...

[Thomas Kwon]

one would think that my frequent use of the term "political prostitutes and traitors" when referring to our politicians demonstrates my understanding of this reality.

In reality I don't blame the immigrants... they simply take it for granted that we have maggots in our brains and are simply too stupid to NOT be fleeced.

Their contempt of Westerners is entirely justified. We are indeed suicidally deranged... they see our idiot pop morality of "diversity is our strength" is simply insane.

we might as well be saying: "we welcome our own dispossession, please come and take our land and resources and progeny away from us, we'll pay you for it"...

that is discriminating to immigrants who actually contribute to Canada (and assimilated into the canadian culture).

[lictor616]

that is discriminating to immigrants who actually contribute to Canada (and assimilated into the canadian culture).

well obviously i'm talking about the ones who DON'T assimilate.

Certain immigrant groups are vastly capable of adapting constructively (even if they don't become super orthodox canucks), northern asiatics usually contribute much to this country, opening many businesses, being very capable and well disciplined (often more so then "white" canadians).

[Melanie_]

notice its "ENDS" of tolerance...

OK, so its the "ends" of tolerance - the result of having a tolerant society. You object to freedom of speech and assembly, because you disagree with what these people are saying - in your view, it would be much better to have an intolerant society, where everyone conforms to an ideology set forward by.... who? You?

[lictor616]

OK, so its the "ends" of tolerance - the result of having a tolerant society. You object to freedom of speech and assembly, because you disagree with what these people are saying - in your view, it would be much better to have an intolerant society, where everyone conforms to an ideology set forward by.... who? You?

what I mean by "tolerance" is "Political Correctness" which isn't "tolerance" as much as suicidal mania and self hatred. and toleration of INTOLERANT GROUPS, such as the fuzzy faced, feverish denizens of the desert you see howling like a pack of wild banshees about dominating the world and killing our whorish women who dare not wear a burka.. .

freedom of speech and assembly? freedom of association?

i'm sorry but since when do "whites" have these rights except on a token scale?

How many times are anti-immigration people allowed to air their grievances without ebing charged with a "hate crime" by slavishly PC liberals?

How many times have white people been thrown out of employment for saying the "n-word"?

When are people permitted to address these issues openly?

i'd be all for it... I'd love to get into a frank discussion on race and immigration... but where? universities? parliament? TV? all these venues are dominated by lefties, who all think precisely alike and absolutely hate people with divergent opinions. The left is FAR MORE against free speech then anyone else...

They hate debate and discussion, when is immigration ever a policy issue for elections? have you ever heard of a candidate saying that if elected he would cut off immigration?

there's an excellent documentary on so called freedom of speech and association in american universities: you should watch it, and eat your words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxSg2oRU6Bs

and are you insane enough to suggest that those radical muslims who believe in killing atheists and people who commit apostasy are open to have a free exchange and debate with us? Do you really think they value freedom of speech and association?

What's insane is that you accuse ME of being intolerant... while religious basketcases are muttering darkly about killing non muslim women, and converting the whole world to Islam through the sword!

I mean for the love of god, can you get any more cynical?

Edited November 16, 2009 by lictor616

[Melanie_]

Interestingly enough, you have yet to be banned from these forums, which means you are being given an opportunity to talk about all of these issues. No one is stopping you from doing your best to convince us of your arguments - but thus far, you haven't won any converts that I have seen. You have every opportunity to get into the frank discussion you crave here - in fact, I encourage you to post your thoughts - but when they are met with dissention you have to recognize others' rights to also have opinions divergent from yours.

By the way, I have no idea how many times someone has been thrown out of employment for saying the "n word", but since you asked this rhetorical question, I'm sure you can provide the answer. I'm curious, how many incidents of this have there been?

[Melanie_]

what I mean by "tolerance" is "Political Correctness" which isn't "tolerance" as much as suicidal mania and self hatred. and toleration of INTOLERANT GROUPS, such as the fuzzy faced, feverish denizens of the desert you see howling like a pack of wild banshees about dominating the world and killing our whorish women who dare not wear a burka.. .

Maybe you should be more clear in your original posting, then. And, instead of rewriting an older post so that it contains considerably different ideas, create a new post so that the responses to the original are still in context. An edit is for spelling, grammar, punctuation... not for expanding on an incomplete thought.

[lictor616]

Interestingly enough, you have yet to be banned from these forums, which means you are being given an opportunity to talk about all of these issues. No one is stopping you from doing your best to convince us of your arguments - but thus far, you haven't won any converts that I have seen. You have every opportunity to get into the frank discussion you crave here - in fact, I encourage you to post your thoughts - but when they are met with dissention you have to recognize others' rights to also have opinions divergent from yours.

By the way, I have no idea how many times someone has been thrown out of employment for saying the "n word", but since you asked this rhetorical question, I'm sure you can provide the answer. I'm curious, how many incidents of this have there been?

I,ve been kicked numerous times, last time for calling the Singer seal a "pock faced baboon"... that earned me a two week suspension.

M.Dancer has called me just about every name in the book without so much a warning. You're right though most of the time I just get emotional responses that are riddled with ad hominem attacks... liberals are very very hateful and intolerant of people with contradicting opinions. and they don't really like debating...

About being thrown out of employment: ever heard of the texaco scandal?

some management in a texaco plant said something about not wanting to hire the "black jelly beans" and not liking black jelly beans. everyone in on the private conversation: fired:

"scandal over racial slurs forces the oil giant to rethink - and remake - its corporate identity."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_Oct_4/ai_65735152/

read on

1/ "A director of Boris Johnson's Olympic management team has been sacked for allegedly using the word 'n****r' during a meeting.

Nick Hoare, 56, an interim director at the London Development Agency, was sacked hours after three staff made official complaints."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223786/Boris-Johnson-sacks-senior-director-LDA-using-racist-word-meeting.html#ixzz0WzhGQtQu'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223786/Boris-Johnson-sacks-senior-director-LDA-using-racist-word-meeting.html#ixzz0WzhGQtQu

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223786/Boris-Johnson-sacks-senior-director-LDA-using-racist-word-meeting.html

2/ "WTXF TV news anchor Tom Burlington has sued his former employer claiming discrimination after he was fired for using the “N-word” in an editorial meeting called at the Philadelphia station to discuss a news story about a mock funeral to bury the “N-word.”

read more: http://www.businessmanagementdaily.com/articles/19076/1/Fired-for-using-N-word-news-anchor-sues/Page1.html#

3/ "Radio host fired after saying "coon" during Condi Rice discussion"

"A radio personality at 550 KTRS was fired on the spot this morning after using the word “coon” on the air in a conversation about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Dave Lenihan was dismissed after what he called an inadvertent slip of the tongue. Within 20 minutes, station CEO Tim Dorsey apologized on the air to listeners and announced that Lenihan, who had been with the station for less than two weeks, had been let go."

read more: http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/radio-host-fired-for-slip-of/

4/ Radio shock jock "Greaseman" Doug Tracht who was fired for a shocking racist remark made on station WARW-FM in Washington, D.C., apologized at a recent press conference in the capital.

"It was a pathetic attempt at morbid racial humor. My sorrow is for anyone and everyone who was hurt by my statement ...," Tracht said."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_16_95/ai_54731434/

5/PHILLY SHOCK JOCK KIDD CHRIS FIRED FOR RACIST SONG PARODY:

http://binsidetv.net/2008/05/philly-shock-jock-kidd-chris-fired-for-racist-song-parody/

listen to the song... a guest of the show calls black people "Schwoogies" and his popular show (who specializes in offensive humor) gets the boot...

and then there the Imus and his pathetic "nappy headed hoes"... that you probably heard about and conveniently forgot?

and many many many others,

anyways you'll reject this out of hand and ask for the evidence again...

Edited November 16, 2009 by lictor616

[Melanie_]

Ok, you've shown there have been incidences of people being fired for using offensive language. So your point is not that the people in your original post shouldn't be able to say what they are saying, but rather that others shouldn't be condemned for equally offensive language? I'm just trying to establish what exactly your original post was about, in terms of the ends of tolerance.

[lictor616]

Ok, you've shown there have been incidences of people being fired for using offensive language. So your point is not that the people in your original post shouldn't be able to say what they are saying, but rather that others shouldn't be condemned for equally offensive language? I'm just trying to establish what exactly your original post was about, in terms of the ends of tolerance.

I'm saying that language should never be criminalize or given any legal penalties.

The very notion of "hate speech" is repugnant to any free minded individual.

My post was about what the policy of third world immigration have now brought the british people: an occupational hazard and violent insurrection.

the liberal pro immigration policies always promised to voters that immigrants would adapt and be a strength... alas we see how foolish the British people were to actually believe them.

[Melanie_]

I'm saying that language should never be criminalize or given any legal penalties.

The very notion of "hate speech" is repugnant to any free minded individual.

My post was about what the policy of third world immigration have now brought the british people: an occupational hazard and violent insurrection.

the liberal pro immigration policies always promised to voters that immigrants would adapt and be a strength... alas we see how foolish the British people were to actually believe them.

Your post shows nothing of the sort. In your original post, these old men aren't being violent, they are speaking their mind. If "language should never be criminalized or given any legal penalties", you are contradicting yourself. If you want people to be able to throw the n word around with no repercussions, you have to also allow others to be equally vile towards whites.

[lictor616]

If you want people to be able to throw the n word around with no repercussions, you have to also allow others to be equally vile towards whites.

but hello? racial minorities ARE being vile and offensive towards whites - calling our women whores, scoffing at our culture, talking darkly about killing us, enslaving us and turning our countries and civilization over to them? Watch the video again!

They are ALREADY very vocal about their implacable hatred of us, but WE CAN'T REPLY IN KIND... you're so completely obvious to reality it seems.

We don't even allow our news editors to publish cartoons that offends them! that's you're freedom of speech? What are you blind!?!?

They can talk about our own dispossession, raping our women, killing our children and spitting on our culture in UTTER IMPUNITY, we say the "N word" and the freaking sky is falling!

If we even suggest that third world immigration is bad, we get labelled a racist, or xenophobe, and that too, can ruin careers, result in law suits, or put us into trouble.

Please tell me you're not this cynical!

[Melanie_]

but hello? racial minorities ARE being vile and offensive towards whites - calling our women whores, scoffing at our culture, talking darkly about killing us, enslaving us and turning our countries and civilization over to them? Watch the video again!

They are ALREADY very vocal about their implacable hatred of us, but WE CAN'T REPLY IN KIND... you're so completely obvious to reality it seems.

We don't even allow our news editors to publish cartoons that offends them! that's you're freedom of speech? What are you blind!?!?

They can talk about our own dispossession, raping our women, killing our children and spitting on our culture in UTTER IMPUNITY, we say the "N word" and the freaking sky is falling!

If we even suggest that third world immigration is bad, we get labelled a racist, or xenophobe, and that too, can ruin careers, result in law suits, or put us into trouble.

Please tell me you're not this cynical!

I'm going to assume you mean to call me oblivious, not obvious.

Maybe you are confusing me with someone else. Let me refer you back to my first post in this thread...

The fact that they are able to stage their demonstration in public signals to me that there is an ample tolerance for diversity. And, if people express their views publicly, those of us who disagree can also do so publicly, which is what you have done here. I would argue that it is a healthy thing to have people express divergent views, whether they be Muslim or even Neo Nazi, so we have the opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and even confrontation when necessary.

Please, express your opinions, but be prepared for dialogue. If someone thinks your opinions are racist, they have an equal right to say so, and contradict you. For example, you say that you want to be able to publicly claim third world immigration is all bad, but you don't support that with evidence - you just make inflammatory comments based on generalizations. That's not making your point, it is just looking for a fight.

What you seem to object to is that, if what you say harms someone in a way that is calculable, you can be held responsible for it in a court of law. But that too applies across the board - you could take someone to court if you felt their opinions were preventing you from participating equally in society. If someone says a woman is a whore, that is their opinion. But if they discriminate against her in the hiring process, or in the workplace, or when it is time for a promotion or a raise because of this opinion, they can be prosecuted.

[Oleg Bach]

I'm curious why you would name this thread the end of tolerance. The fact that they are able to stage their demonstration in public signals to me that there is an ample tolerance for diversity. And, if people express their views publicly, those of us who disagree can also do so publicly, which is what you have done here. I would argue that it is a healthy thing to have people express divergent views, whether they be Muslim or even Neo Nazi, so we have the opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and even confrontation when necessary.

When we have groups of orgainized so-called Muslims that emigrate or are born in Europe - Britian - America or Canada and publically state they are going to destroy the Christians along with the secularists should cause concern - How come the authorities just don't round them all up and jail them? Or do we have to wait till Mohamid next door decides to kill you and your whole family ? What the hell is wrong with Christians these days - In the old days they resisted Roman invaders - but they do not resist Muslim invaders?

[JB Globe]

I'm saying that language should never be criminalize or given any legal penalties.

But in the examples you cited none of the people involved were charged with a crime.

The employers decided that these people violated company rules and behaved in a way that had a negative effect on the company, thus they were fired.

Free speech doesn't apply to the workplace - you can't fire off racial slurs in the board room and cite the Charter or constitution as a defence.

Edited November 18, 2009 by JB Globe

[ToadBrother]

But in the examples you cited none of the people involved were charged with a crime.

The employers decided that these people violated company rules and behaved in a way that had a negative effect on the company, thus they were fired.

Free speech doesn't apply to the workplace - you can't fire off racial slurs in the board room and cite the Charter or constitution as a defence.

Indeed, I'm not too sure what he's complaining about. This board is privately owned. If the owner decides that some racist calling a black singer a racist name deserves a suspension, or even a permanent banning, that's the owner's business.

Guys like lictor, who, because of their own psychological issues and beliefs, have been forced to the margins of society, need to justify their righteousness. I'm a firm believer that the State should not in any way attempt to censor lictor, but I can at best disagree if his boss fires him or the owners of this board boot him out.

Society often turns its back on people whose behavior, while not criminal, is still noxious. I mean, is it wrong if everyone gets angry at a guy who farts in an elevator? That's what lictor is. He's the intellectual equivalent of a flatulent elevator passenger.

[ToadBrother]

We don't even allow our news editors to publish cartoons that offends them! that's you're freedom of speech? What are you blind!?!?

I assume you're talking about the Mohammed cartoon. Could you point out where the government ever said "Don't publish them"?

You're as bad as Mr. Canadian for the persecution complex, and the invention of details to bolster your points which simply don't exist.