Nova Scotia NDP end Union and Company Donations

[madmax]

HALIFAX, N.S. — Nova Scotia's NDP government is introducing amendments to electoral laws that will ban political donations by unions and corporations.

The provincial government's changes will only allow individuals to contribute to parties with donations up to a maximum of $5,000 per person. The new rules will also end the right of political parties to use trust funds they've held prior to July 11, 1991.

I don't know much about the "trust funds" how they work, and why a 1991 cut off date.

Any background would be appreciated.

[Michael Hardner]

This is a great idea, and can only improve the quality of debate in an environment where big money lowered the level of debate, while focusing it on those areas that the interest groups cared about.

[punked]

Must be because they in the Unions pockets.

[punked]

I don't know much about the "trust funds" how they work, and why a 1991 cut off date.

Any background would be appreciated.

This issue is about the LIBERAL SLUSH FUNDS. Back the 1980s the Liberals took liquor kick backs they got 10 cents on every bottle sold. They put all the money into a trust fund. It was proven in court but they couldn't prove how much they got off it. Some people think it was as high as 30 million dollars, but most think somewhere around 3-10 million. They burned all the files so no one could prove how much money it was so the judge ordered that no money in the account could be spent during an election but outside it was fair game. So the Liberals have just been transferring money before elections from this slush fund. It might interest you to know ti was Geoff Reagans Dad who was the Liberal leader at the time this all happened. The NDP have taken issue with this fund ever sense it was discovered in the 90's.

This is the way I understand it.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story...ations-ban.html

Edited October 20, 2009 by punked

[fellowtraveller]

Must be because they in the Unions pockets.

More likely that the unions are dwindling in power, and their political opposition gets plenty from corporations.

Will they also ban donations from the national NDP to the provincial NDP?

[punked]

More likely that the unions are dwindling in power, and their political opposition gets plenty from corporations.

Will they also ban donations from the national NDP to the provincial NDP?

Considering the provincial NDP brings in more then all the other parties in the province through donations from real people they haven't taken any money from the federal party. The received some 400,000 dollars last quarter from people for the party.

[fellowtraveller]

Considering the provincial NDP brings in more then all the other parties in the province through donations from real people they haven't taken any money from the federal party. The received some 400,000 dollars last quarter from people for the party.

So the stories that Layton is reluctant to actually initiate the federal election- the one he has been blubbering about for ages- has nothing to do with the low coffers of the federal NDP after they poured $ and support into the NS election are all completely false?

Is $400k a lot of money in NS?

[punked]

So the stories that Layton is reluctant to actually initiate the federal election- the one he has been blubbering about for ages- has nothing to do with the low coffers of the federal NDP after they poured $ and support into the NS election are all completely false?

Is $400k a lot of money in NS?

Those stories are made up in your head. The Stories of the Federal NDP not actively fund raising in NS, BC, and Sask becuase they didn't want to compete against their provincial counter parts who were fund raising for leadership races and elections are true. The lie you just told is not.

400k is 4 times the amount of money the provincial Liberals raised and 1.5 times the amount the PC's did roughly I believe. As for Federal party support no one got as much support as the Liberals the leader didn't even show up but Iggy was in NS twice along with Ken Dryden, Bob Rea and many other out of province MPs.

[punked]

NDP just added a seat too their total winning a by election in NS. The PCs held onto the other seat, big hit to the liberal opposition who has been trying to make mountains out of mole hills.

[madmax]

Must be because they in the Unions pockets.

[madmax]

So the stories that Layton is reluctant to actually initiate the federal election-the one he has been blubbering about for ages- has nothing to do with the low coffers of the federal NDP

That was Liberal Spinning, because the LPC had just done a decent level of fundraising this year as opposed to last year, when many times they were below the Federal NDP in Fundraising. However, the Federal NDP did hold off on picking the pockets of their provincial cousins in the regions which had elections, and in Ontario which had a Leadership Race as well as in Sask. Which pretty much shuts out Federal fundraising. However, the federal NDP are fiscally ready for an election campaign, but would much prefer one on their terms, rather then the LPC terms. (lucky for the NDP and the LPC there isn't an election). Looking on other sites, the NDP would not have had the bodies in place in 308 ridings to run a good campaign, with or without money. Reading some blog sites comparing candidate readiness, the LPC were ready in many, the NDP no so ready. That is quickly changing, along with the CPC. The NDP have the funds, or access to the funds (LOANS), based upon their ability to raise and their assests. The LPC have a decent war chest now, along with some strong riding associations, and the CPC is the election machine.

after they poured $ and support into the NS election are all completely false?

Is $400k a lot of money in NS?

Completely false. That's correct.

[fellowtraveller]

The NDP have the funds, or access to the funds (LOANS), based upon their ability to raise and their assests.

What assets do they have?

Real estate, stock portfolio, gold bullion?

I wonder how readily banks will now lend to orgnaizations without real collateral.....certainly they have tightended up criteria for those who actually do have assets, physical assets.....a colleague at an international NGO told me they used to readily get credit 'secured' by various operating grants and donations not yet received, and she said they have had a fair amount of trouble maintaining their tradiitonal credit line since about this time last year.

[madmax]

What assets do they have?

Real estate, stock portfolio, gold bullion?

FIIK, I just read the news and hear they have assets.

[fellowtraveller]

FIIK, I just read the news and hear they have assets.

I would certainly hope they do not have assets, that would be counter-revolutionary.

[lictor616]

I would certainly hope they do not have assets, that would be counter-revolutionary.

"counter revolutionary" do you mean to tell us that you're an unabashed communist?

really? that straightforward... wow!

[punked]

I would certainly hope they do not have assets, that would be counter-revolutionary.

The NDP are the only party to have assets actually. We own a 6 million dollar building in Ottawa and can barrow against it at anytime to be election ready. It is what makes us the most liquid party.

[fellowtraveller]

The NDP are the only party to have assets actually. We own a 6 million dollar building in Ottawa and can barrow against it at anytime to be election ready. It is what makes us the most liquid party.

Property is theft. The cadre will deal with the NDP 'leadership' at the appropriate time.

[punked]

Property is theft. The cadre will deal with the NDP 'leadership' at the appropriate time.

What are talking about? Almost all socialist language in the NDP constitution was removed 3 years after Regina of course I wouldn't expect someone who talks the way you do of a party to actually be educated on that fact.

[fellowtraveller]

What are talking about? Almost all socialist language in the NDP constitution was removed 3 years after Regina of course I wouldn't expect someone who talks the way you do of a party to actually be educated on that fact.

You can take the socialist out of the language but can you take the socialist out of your core?

Well no , you cannot because if you did the NDP would be relevant, and that isn't happening anytime soon.

13% support as of yesterday, and that in a poltical environment where support should be exploding........

[madmax]

You can take the socialist out of the language but can you take the socialist out of your core?

Well no , you cannot because if you did the NDP would be relevant, and that isn't happening anytime soon.

13% support as of yesterday, and that in a poltical environment where support should be exploding........

The NDP are the Government in Nova Scotia. Just won one of two Conservative seats in a ByElection. I see no signs of implosion nor 13% support.

[fellowtraveller]

The NDP are the Government in Nova Scotia. Just won one of two Conservative seats in a ByElection. I see no signs of implosion nor 13% support.

do you see it now, about halfway down the page???

The NDP have had a historic opportunity since 2005/2006 to capture the Canadian public votes and seats and have failed. But you are welcome to keep believing that running one of the smaller economies in Canada for a couple of years is a significant step forward, if it gives you comfort. Does it bother you that Saskatchewan has turned away from The Cause, so have BC, Ontario and likely Manitoba is next, when Satan has stolen Doer away?

Layton has failed, and he knows it, with the most recent evidence being his newfound support for the Tories he used to vote against without bothering to read the legislation. Now, he portrays himself as the sober statesman. The only people he is fooling is himself and people like you.

[madmax]

do you see it now, about halfway down the page???

I was the one who posted that poll in the polling threadthank you..... And if you look at the data, the regional stats are a messs, as no party raises 11% points since that last poll, except in this one. The only party to be worried is the LPC.

The NDP have had a historic opportunity since 2005/2006 to capture the Canadian public votes and seats and have failed.

Really? I swore that the CA and the PCs merged to create the historic opportunity and since 2004 have marched ever so close to that goal. Being the tweedle dum of tweedle dee, this is not to be unexpected. I believe the NDP had 12 seats and then 19 then 29 and now 37 seats. Its a fourth party, and used to be outpointed by the now defunct Social Credit. But the NDP is still around, doing what it does.

But you are welcome to keep believing that running one of the smaller economies in Canada for a couple of years is a significant step forward, if it gives you comfort.

Correct me if I am wrong, not being from the region, but it would be that level of arrogance and ignorance that has put a party in power for the 1st time in 70 years. Obviously not a region of interests for the Conservatives. Perhaps that is why they were such a shitty government.

Does it bother you that Saskatchewan has turned away from The Cause

Nope. I don't believe in one party states. That's for ALberta. I do believe you require the government, the heir and that other. Considering the number of years the CCF/NDP have run Sask and balanced the budgets and provided programs, it would be wrong to assume that a government would become out of touch or long of tooth. But its the opposition and will likely return to power, once the Sask party runs its course.

, so have BC,

That's hardly anything to be proud of. What a mess. These clowns may have made it this far, but they will have the Liberal brand ruined so badly, BC will be looking for a new party name for the right to hide behind. And I prefer the fact that the NDP is against the Carbon Tax and the HST. But they are opposition.

Ontario

Failed NDP leaders join the ranks of the Liberals. Successful NDP leaders go into the history books and are fondly remembered. Ontario may never have that priviledge, but the LIberals like him.

and likely Manitoba is next, when Satan has stolen Doer away?

Could be, I will ask Jdobbin as he seems to have a good finger on the pulse of the NDP in Manitoba.

Layton has failed, and he knows it, with the most recent evidence being his newfound support for the Tories he used to vote against without bothering to read the legislation. Now, he portrays himself as the sober statesman. The only people he is fooling is himself and people like you.

Oh. Silly me, I thought he failed before by opposing everything. Now that he reads it, yeah, that's bad for the people of Canada. Politicians reading the legislation.

I would say, if he backed an election in September, he'd have to be drunk. What on earth could you go to the public with? The NDP opposed everything and got nothing done in a year, lets have an election???

Now that's stupid.

I didn't welcome a fall election. I think its good that the government hasn't fallen. And I also believe that Layton has done a better job then Ignatieff thought he would. Thus it hasn't hurt the NDP. The role reversal has deeply hurt the LPC who were polling high until Sept.

Now, look at those MLW polls on the right and on the left.

A weak LPC actually benefits the CPC not the NDP. A strong NDP benefits the NDP and there is a ceiling to that support, but there is a very deep basement. As long as the NDP is near their ceiling they will be in Broadbent range. As long as the NDP is near the basement, they will be in ... don't know her name but it was 1993 and while she did better then Kim Campbell, it marks the NDP lowpoint.

You obviously think the NDP should do better then I do.

Why don't you vote for them, and I will vote for whom I like. LOL.

[fellowtraveller]

But the NDP is still around, doing what it does.

What is that, exactly?

Really?

Yes , really. Despite Adscam, despiote a few years of being ruled by Satan, the NDP is still at 13%. That has a one word summary: failure.

Correct me if I am wrong

You are wrong. LIke it or not, Nova Scotia has a small economy on any scale and is not a significant player in Canadian politcs. Your reaction to these realities is utterly typical of the NDP.

balanced the budgets

There you go, more of your fiscal fantasies. The only way the budgets were 'balanced' was with massive injections of equalization money.

But they are opposition.

More correctly, they are pathetic.

Successful NDP leaders go into the history books and are fondly remembered

Like Bob Rae or Glen Clark or Svend Robbingstores?

Thus it hasn't hurt the NDP.

13%

[madmax]

After 2 days, this is the best hatchet job you can come up with???

I will rest with my previous post...

[fellowtraveller]

After 2 days, this is the best hatchet job you can come up with???

I will rest with my previous post...

my reply was more time ionvested than yours was worth.

I know they don't talk like this on babble/rabble, but your lads are biting the big one.