Greenpeace activists arrested

[Mr.Canada]

Cpl. Darren Anderson said Strathcona RCMP, the emergency services vertical operations team and a member of the Edmonton police tactical unit shut down the 24-hour protest at 5:30 a.m. It ended with the arrests of 16 activists, including three from Edmonton and one from St. Albert.

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Finally the police are doing things properly and arresting these terrorists. Environmentalists need to learn that they are not above the law and must be punished to the full extent of it. We cannot have people trespassing on others property whenever they feel like it, That is against the law and I am happy they were arrested and hope they get what they deserve, prison time. Not to mention the non Canadians should be deported and barre from ever returning to Canada again. Entering Canada is a privilege not a right, we have enough criminals here already.

No one or any group is above the law.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[madmax]

Finally the police are doing things properly and arresting these terrorists. Environmentalists need to learn that they are not above the law and must be punished to the full extent of it. We cannot have people trespassing on others property whenever they feel like it, That is against the law and I am happy they were arrested and hope they get what they deserve, prison time. Not to mention the non Canadians should be deported and barre from ever returning to Canada again. Entering Canada is a privilege not a right, we have enough criminals here already.

No one or any group is above the law.

I recall it was against the law to refuse work. It was legal to have child labour. There was a time of Slavery that was legal in North America. It was illegal to be in a union.

There was a time when above ground nuclear testing was A OK.

Those terrible Green Peace activists stopping the French with their continued above ground nuclear testing. Good think the French Government killed the activists and rescued their agents from New Zealand.

Terrorists are they? When people stand up for their rights and for social change, they are not terrorists.

Property rights are one aspect of law. The law is broad.

I recall going toe to toe with a Jerk of a police officer. Seems he knew about property law, and jack squat about anything else. While coming very very very very very very very close to being arrested, it was the support that other "Protestors" gave me, that allowed a group of people to continue the protest and WIN in the court of law.

There are lots of elements involved in property law. The government is the ultimate holder of property rights, whether you like it or not. It is why the government can take your property away from you.

The bold actions of a few actually saved a landlord $122,000. That cops ignorance of the law, and one dimensional view of property law nearly cost our community $250,000. One 10 minute decision could have changed the course.

Just because you don't like Green Peace or activists is no reason to call them terrorists. It is over the top hyperbole.

Totally inline with your characature.

Many people who own their property have no knowledge that corporations can come in and take it over and they have no rights.

People were also arrested at Site 41.

IIRC they won in the end.

[ReeferMadness]

Finally the police are doing things properly and arresting these terrorists. Environmentalists need to learn that they are not above the law and must be punished to the full extent of it. We cannot have people trespassing on others property whenever they feel like it, That is against the law and I am happy they were arrested and hope they get what they deserve, prison time. Not to mention the non Canadians should be deported and barre from ever returning to Canada again. Entering Canada is a privilege not a right, we have enough criminals here already.

No one or any group is above the law.

Wow. I feel safer already, knowing these terrorists are locked up. But isn't jail too good for them? They're terrorists after all. Maybe summary executions are in order. But, wait, they're terrorists. Maybe that's too good for them as well.

I just hope the prosecutions don't get bogged down in meaningless process like "trials" where prosecutors are required to present "evidence" and stuff. Let's skip right to the punishment.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Not to agree with Mr.Canada but many Animal rights groups can easily be defined as terrorist groups (Sea Shepard, HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc) As can certain people within the groups. In this case Greenpeace (usally one of the more calm groups) tresspassed illegally if they want to protest stuff there are plenty of legal ways to do it.

Edited October 6, 2009 by TrueMetis

[kimmy]

Sounds like a pretty cut-and-dried case of trespassing.

-k

[ReeferMadness]

Not to agree with Mr.Canada but many Animal rights groups can easily be defined as terrorist groups (Sea Shepard, HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc) As can certain people within the groups. In this case Greenpeace (usally one of the more calm groups) tresspassed illegally if they want to protest stuff there are plenty of legal ways to do it.

So, you're agreeing that these guys are terrorists? Great. Bring on the executions. Town square hangings. Can I sell popcorn?

[kimmy]

So, you're agreeing that these guys are terrorists? Great. Bring on the executions. Town square hangings. Can I sell popcorn?

Some of the actions of hard-core environmentalists fit the definition of terrorism. I vaguely recall something about a powerline tower being bombed, for instance.

Spiking of trees in areas being forested could be argued to be terrorism as well.

The recent bombings of pipelines in northeastern BC is certainly terrorism, though it's not clear that it's environmentalists behind it.

These Greenpeace folks? They're just trespassers.

-k

[Mr.Canada]

So, you're agreeing that these guys are terrorists? Great. Bring on the executions. Town square hangings. Can I sell popcorn?

If Canada were to start holding public hangings in Dundas Square I'm sure it would be packed that doesn't make it the right thing to do. I don't support this at all Reefer.

[Guest TrueMetis]

So, you're agreeing that these guys are terrorists? Great. Bring on the executions. Town square hangings. Can I sell popcorn?

Read it again

Not to agree with Mr.Canada but many Animal rights groups can easily be defined as terrorist groups (Sea Shepard, HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc) As can certain people within the groups. In this case Greenpeace (usally one of the more calm groups) tresspassed illegally if they want to protest stuff there are plenty of legal ways to do it.

I wasn't calling Greenpeace a terrorist group like I said it's usually one of the calmer ones I was saying some enviromentalist groups like the ones I mentioned (Sea Shepard, HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc) could easily be considered terrorist groups. In the end these Greepeace activists broke the law and were arrested if the want to protest there are legal ways to do it.

Edited October 6, 2009 by TrueMetis

[charter.rights]

Read it again

I wasn't calling Greenpeace a terrorist group like I said it's usually one of the calmer ones I was saying some enviromentalist groups like the ones I mentioned (Sea Shepard, HSUS, PETA, ALF, etc) could easily be considered terrorist groups. In the end these Greepeace activists broke the law and were arrested if the want to protest there are legal ways to do it.

You forget to include the Right to Life terrorists that plague North America in your list. Anti-abortionist are probably the worst in all the lists.

[Mr.Canada]

You forget to include the Right to Life terrorists that plague North America in your list. Anti-abortionist are probably the worst in all the lists.

I was waiting for you to chime in. This topic is about Greenpeace and their need to break the law constantly instead of protesting in a law abiding fashion. Nothing else.

[charter.rights]

I was waiting for you to chime in. This topic is about Greenpeace and their need to break the law constantly instead of protesting in a law abiding fashion. Nothing else.

Nope. The OP is about terrorism.

Finally the police are doing things properly and arresting these terrorists. Environmentalists need to learn that they are not above the law and must be punished to the full extent of it. We cannot have people trespassing on others property whenever they feel like it, That is against the law and I am happy they were arrested and hope they get what they deserve, prison time. Not to mention the non Canadians should be deported and barre from ever returning to Canada again. Entering Canada is a privilege not a right, we have enough criminals here already.

The Right to Lifers are a terrorist group and this is fair game.

And actually people can come onto anyone's property at any time UNLESS there are No Trespassing signs posted at every boundary. In fact under the law it is perfectly legal for any one to approach another's front door. The door, a sidewalk and a door knocker all constitute an implied offer for the public to enter without an invitation.

But that is how that law really reads and I understand you wouldn't know that.

[Mr.Canada]

Disregard.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[Mr.Canada]

And actually people can come onto anyone's property at any time UNLESS there are No Trespassing signs posted at every boundary. In fact under the law it is perfectly legal for any one to approach another's front door. The door, a sidewalk and a door knocker all constitute an implied offer for the public to enter without an invitation.

But that is how that law really reads and I understand you wouldn't know that.

I don't think there was a door, sidewalk or door knocker in the area where the Greenpeace terrorists decided to go. It also appears they entered illegally and were charged accordingly. No one or group is above the law.

[charter.rights]

I don't think there was a door, sidewalk or door knocker in the area where the Greenpeace terrorists decided to go. It also appears they entered illegally and were charged accordingly. No one or group is above the law.

What law are you talking about? Because there is a huge difference between YOUR law (you know... that mythical rule you make up as you go along) and THE LAW of which fundamental rights and freedoms are the top of in Canada. The right to protest (to assemble) under the Charter is guaranteed and in the last 20 years or so the police and political henchmen like you appear to be, have called for the criminalization of political opposition like protesters and spokespersons for particular causes.

So what law are you referring? And you do realize that the act of being charged is not evidence of guilt (or degree of guilt) which you imply in your OP..... Calling Green Peace "terrorists" is a conclusion, not evidence.

Edited October 6, 2009 by charter.rights

[Hydraboss]

...The right to protest (to assemble) under the Charter is guaranteed and in the last 20 years or so the police and political henchmen like you appear to be, have called for the criminalization of political opposition like protesters and spokespersons for particular causes.

Actually, I have worked on all three sites and every one of them has above-average security (which works on law abiding citizens). The right to protest (!) does not extend that far. Are you trying to say that if you don't personally have No Trespassing signs on your yard, me and some buddies can exercise our Right to Assemble in your living room in front of your tv? Really? Excellent! See you Thursday.

There is a little trick to the Charter and you know it. Nowhere does it say that any of these rights and freedoms give anyone the ability to break the law of their own volition.

These Greenpeace meatheads are smoking too much pot if they think that they will be able to continue this bs on upgrader/processor sites unchallenged. The oil companies have more than enough money to hire security en masse and will do so in a heartbeat. Their little message ended up being "we want change, but we don't want to have to have and discussions with the big, bad oil companies or the press or half to explain ourselves, etc...."

[charter.rights]

Actually, I have worked on all three sites and every one of them has above-average security (which works on law abiding citizens). The right to protest (!) does not extend that far. Are you trying to say that if you don't personally have No Trespassing signs on your yard, me and some buddies can exercise our Right to Assemble in your living room in front of your tv? Really? Excellent! See you Thursday.

There is a little trick to the Charter and you know it. Nowhere does it say that any of these rights and freedoms give anyone the ability to break the law of their own volition.

These Greenpeace meatheads are smoking too much pot if they think that they will be able to continue this bs on upgrader/processor sites unchallenged. The oil companies have more than enough money to hire security en masse and will do so in a heartbeat. Their little message ended up being "we want change, but we don't want to have to have and discussions with the big, bad oil companies or the press or half to explain ourselves, etc...."

The Charter must be considered BEFORE all other laws. And in fact the present court system demands that laws be broken BEFORE a Charter right can be defined or clarified. We should all be lucky that most protesters use peaceful means to effect that change, and not bombs and poisons like your western buddies do.

Edited October 6, 2009 by charter.rights

[Mr.Canada]

The Charter must be considered BEFORE all other laws. And in fact the present court system demands that laws be broken BEFORE a Charter right can be defined or clarified. We should all be lucky that most protesters use peaceful means to effect that change, and not bombs and poisons like your western buddies do.

I don't think the Charter says that trespassing is permitted if done by anyone or any group. The law must be upheld, without the rule of law we revert to Anarchy and lawlessness. This must never be allowed to happen in our society. The laws of this land must be applied equally to all regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. One Canadian is as equal to and not greater than another Canadian in terms of the Charter and the law.

[madmax]

Sounds like a pretty cut-and-dried case of trespassing.

-k

Are you certain it isn't terrorism?

[charter.rights]

I don't think the Charter says that trespassing is permitted if done by anyone or any group. The law must be upheld, without the rule of law we revert to Anarchy and lawlessness. This must never be allowed to happen in our society. The laws of this land must be applied equally to all regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. One Canadian is as equal to and not greater than another Canadian in terms of the Charter and the law.

The Rule of Law IS the Charter.

Trespassing is permitted under domestic law under certain circumstances. So the idea that someone arrested is automatically guilty of trespass is pretty stupid.

You make it sound like anarchy - self rule - is a bad thing, when the reality is that the majority of Canadians do not depend on the law for their morality or their behavior. In fact the law is pretty much useless without the courts first upholding an individuals rights.

While it is true that our Charter requires equality under the law, it is incorrect to assume that First Nations are Canadian. The Charter specifically exempts our rule over Aboriginal, Metis and Inuit because their rights exceed our capacity to regulate them. This would not happen if the Crown considered First Nations subordinates of Canada.

[ToadBrother]

Finally the police are doing things properly and arresting these terrorists. Environmentalists need to learn that they are not above the law and must be punished to the full extent of it. We cannot have people trespassing on others property whenever they feel like it, That is against the law and I am happy they were arrested and hope they get what they deserve, prison time. Not to mention the non Canadians should be deported and barre from ever returning to Canada again. Entering Canada is a privilege not a right, we have enough criminals here already.

No one or any group is above the law.

Does that include oil companies?

[Disillusioned]

Does that include oil companies?

Greenpeace, Sierra Club etc ALL funded by American companies, paid terrorists to create problems for Canadian companies in competition with American companies. Call me crazy but before I jump on a band wagon PC, hugger, indian wannabe or whatever I tend to want to do some reasearch and find out WHO and WHAT is really behind it and how VALID their actions are. "Nuff said? Look what these American stooges did for the BC lumber industry. A little knowledge, a little research goes a long way to prevent you from looking like one more dumb uninformed sheep chanting popular BS

[Disillusioned]

Greenpeace, Sierra Club etc ALL funded by American companies, paid terrorists to create problems for Canadian companies in competition with American companies. Call me crazy but before I jump on a band wagon PC, hugger, indian wannabe or whatever I tend to want to do some reasearch and find out WHO and WHAT is really behind it and how VALID their actions are. "Nuff said? Look what these American stooges did for the BC lumber industry. A little knowledge, a little research goes a long way to prevent you from looking like one more dumb uninformed sheep chanting popular BS

Oh yah have you thought about this? If those environmental goons stop everyone from working in Canada who the hell is going to be funding their welfare payments for them?

[Mr.Canada]

The Rule of Law IS the Charter.

Trespassing is permitted under domestic law under certain circumstances. So the idea that someone arrested is automatically guilty of trespass is pretty stupid.

You make it sound like anarchy - self rule - is a bad thing, when the reality is that the majority of Canadians do not depend on the law for their morality or their behavior. In fact the law is pretty much useless without the courts first upholding an individuals rights.

While it is true that our Charter requires equality under the law, it is incorrect to assume that First Nations are Canadian. The Charter specifically exempts our rule over Aboriginal, Metis and Inuit because their rights exceed our capacity to regulate them. This would not happen if the Crown considered First Nations subordinates of Canada.

Charter.Rights, this topic is about Greenpeace trespassing not Aboriginals.

The Greenpeace people trespassed on private property and got arrested for it. Seems pretty simple to me. Ant person or group cannot wander around Canada trespassing whenever they feel like it. It's irresponsible and shows a lack of respect for the order and laws that govern this great nation. A law abiding citizen, which 99% of Canadians are, is a successful nation.

Canadians come in all shapes and sizes races, religions and sexual orientations but at the end of the day we're all Canadians, together we make this country great.

[Wild Bill]

Charter.Rights, this topic is about Greenpeace trespassing not Aboriginals.

Ah, but don't you see what's the REAL reason for the apparent non sequitur?

If it is legal for Greenpeace protesters then it is also legal for Aboriginals!

CR appears to have only one agenda.