Liberals and Gun Control

[dlkenny]

Since the Tories have been unable to kill the gun registry in the minority parliament, and only imposed an amnesty (one year at a time) I suppose that if the Liberals were to win the next election that they'd bring back the boondoggle...Considering it cost $2 Billion, while less than 1/3rd of all long guns in Canada are registered and absolutely no criminal to date has registered his firearm I think Canadians should challenge the liberals on this before they get back into office.

[Alex Moore]

Since the Tories have been unable to kill the gun registry in the minority parliament, and only imposed an amnesty (one year at a time) I suppose that if the Liberals were to win the next election that they'd bring back the boondoggle...Considering it cost $2 Billion, while less than 1/3rd of all long guns in Canada are registered and absolutely no criminal to date has registered his firearm I think Canadians should challenge the liberals on this before they get back into office.

Probably but gun control hasn't been an issue for awhile now in Canada. it might be difficult to resurrect the issue

"no criminal to date has registered his firearm" ? I think your wrong on this point

[madmax]

Probably but gun control hasn't been an issue for awhile now in Canada. it might be difficult to resurrect the issue

"no criminal to date has registered his firearm" ? I think your wrong on this point

The Conservatives must campaign against the gun registery and they must support their based supporters. The Police who use the Gun registery on a daily basis and catch the bad guys.

[Smallc]

Police departments like it, so it isn't going anywhere.

[wulf42]

Gun control is and always has been useless!!

since criminals tend not to register their AK-47's

and Tech 9's.....not to many gangs these days

carry the good ole Winchester 30-30 or Lee Enfield .303

but the Liberals think they are on to something anyway...

The key to the Gun control issue is do away completely with it

and make stiffer sentences for gun offences...ie. Min 5 year

sentence caught carrying a Bretta 9 mm no chance of parole!

or min 20 year sentence for gun violence with no chance of parole!

-This would have more effect on gun violence if criminals knew they

were going to spend a large part of their lives behind bars for gun violence!

but nah the Liberals would rather go after those evil dangerous duck hunters!

Edited September 21, 2009 by wulf42

[Goat Boy©]

Canada's gun laws are fine' the registry is a monumental waste of money, the Liberals are nuts trying to ban guns...kind of like 'the war on drugs.'

I personally think banning should be banned, and things regulated.

Signed,

Owner of multiple firearms

[wulf42]

I personally think banning should be banned, and things regulated.

Signed,

Owner of multiple firearms

I second that!! also a firearm owner!

Edited September 21, 2009 by wulf42

[Smallc]

Except that no one has tried to ban anything.

[punked]

I second that!! also a firearm owner!

I own a gun or two myself. I see nothing wrong with a hunting rifle those aren't what are used for crimes anyway.

[wulf42]

I own a gun or two myself. I see nothing wrong with a hunting rifle those aren't what are used for crimes anyway.

Absolutely correct!!.....i have no issue with control on handguns or fullt automatic weapons!

they should be restricted but long guns such as Winchester 30-30's, .300 Savage should

be left alone, crimes commited with these weapons are rare...not easy to walk down a city

street with a Lee Enfield under your coat and not be noticed...........

[waldo]

Except that no one has tried to ban anything.

yup - talk about a brazenly false title for this thread.

and, of course, we hear of the reediculous emphasis on the cost of the registry... get over it... it's old news. The registry is now in operational mode. The cost to operate the registry is quite manageable... thank you very much.

police like it - use it regularly. If you accept registering your car... register your guns... but be careful, keep a few "hidden", cause you know "they're coming for your guns... eventually!"

[Goat Boy©]

Except that no one has tried to ban anything.

Yes, Paul Martin never tried to ban handguns...

[Topaz]

Wait a minute you guys.....what kind of guns killed those RCMP's on that farm out west?? I say ban the bullets and shells!! OR tax the hell of them!!!

[punked]

Wait a minute you guys.....what kind of guns killed those RCMP's on that farm out west?? I say ban the bullets and shells!! OR tax the hell of them!!!

A direct assault on Canadians native communities in the north. I don't expect someone from the Toronto party to understand this but I have lived in these places. We hunt to eat, take the food away, take the fresh meet away, make us more dependent. Sounds like a great plan.

[Smallc]

Yes, Paul Martin never tried to ban handguns...

Paul Martin was going to ban handguns...and yet let target shooters (or was it collectors?) keep them. Handguns have been mostly banned in Canada for a long time.

[Goat Boy©]

Paul Martin was going to ban handguns...and yet let target shooters (or was it collectors?) keep them. Handguns have been mostly banned in Canada for a long time.

What Rubbish. Handguns are by no means banned, nor are the grandfathered Prohib 12 (4) & 12 (6). The Liberals proposed banning all handguns not registered under an ATT (Another extension of the misfiring registry, and one hell of a tax grab), 'Specifically for target shooting' is political propaganda.

Handguns have been registered in Canada for a long time, they have never been banned, and the Prohib 12 (6) for a very short time.

[Wilber]

I don't have a problem with the idea of registering guns in principal. Mine is but I have little faith in a registry reducing gun crime. Yes the police use it, because it is there. It only tells them that there may be someone living at a residence who owns a registered firearm. That's all.

[Smallc]

What Rubbish. Handguns are by no means banned, nor are the grandfathered Prohib 12 (4) & 12 (6). The Liberals proposed banning all handguns not registered under an ATT (Another extension of the misfiring registry, and one hell of a tax grab), 'Specifically for target shooting' is political propaganda.

Handguns have been registered in Canada for a long time, they have never been banned, and the Prohib 12 (6) for a very short time.

Handguns were never to be banned. It was all a feel good campaign. They simply weren't to be allowed in the hands of most people, but there was still ways around it. And yes, to most gun owners, handguns are effectively banned. You can't buy them with a simple PAL.

[Keepitsimple]

From a police safety perspective, I've never understood the need for a long gun registry. To get a gun - any gun - you need a license - a PAL - Possession and Acquisition License. When approaching any property or person who has a gun license, they should anticipate that there might be a gun somewhere.

[Wild Bill]

From a police safety perspective, I've never understood the need for a long gun registry. To get a gun - any gun - you need a license - a PAL - Possession and Acquisition License. When approaching any property or person who has a gun license, they should anticipate that there might be a gun somewhere.

Even simpler, when approaching any property or person cops have to assume the worst! They know better than anyone how easy it is for a criminal to source a firearm, licence or registry be damned!

Does anyone seriously think that if a registry check said NO firearm at this address the cops could take it as gospel?

[Argus]

Police departments like it, so it isn't going anywhere.

Police departments would far rather have the money so they can use it on something worthwhile.

[jdobbin]

Police departments would far rather have the money so they can use it on something worthwhile.

You mean they would rather have more money and keep the registry. I haven't heard a force yet that said they wanted it dropped and the money used elsewhere.

[Argus]

police like it - use it regularly.

This is a claim often made. I have a nephew who googles the names of girls he knows on a regular basis hoping to find a compromising picture or salacious information. It rarely shows anything at all but someone's facebook picture, but he does it anyway. Why? Well, google is there, it only takes a second, and it costs nothing, so why not?

Police use of the gun registry is similar. It's there, it costs them nothing, the information might or might not be reliable or useful, but what the hell, it only takes a second so why not.

But if it was gone nothing the police do would suffer.

[madmax]

Canada's gun laws are fine' the registry is a monumental waste of money, the Liberals are nuts trying to ban guns...kind of like 'the war on drugs.'

The war on drugs can be stopped, the money wasted on the Registry cannot come back. Its still a pitence compared to what the LPC and CPC took from the EI fund.

I personally think banning should be banned, and things regulated.

Signed,

Owner of multiple firearms

The Registry isn't a ban. And quite frankly we already have a ban on many firearms. I enjoy firing a howitzer, but I don't believe everyone needs one in their backyard.

When you suggest regulation. We have regulations, and the registery is part of that regulation.

I was not a fan of the Gun Registery when it first came out. It was less a fan of the waste in implementing the system.

Gun owners are in the minority in Canada. The registery is here to stay even if the CPC cut the funds to the registery, they would have to introduce a similar program, because the Police force want a registery.

As for banning of weapons. If you don't have a bann on certain weapons then it is LEGAL to have them. Many weapons throughout history have been banned. Some with success and others not so much.

Quite Frankly I am of the opinion that local communities are more in touch with firearms policies then the federal government.

If a local community wants to ban firearms, then they should have the right to do so and see how successful that program is.

This allows small rural communities the right to maintain firearms for pest control, hunting and fun, whereas communities like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc can ban firearms if they believe this can lead to a better community.

People with guns need to wake up and realize that the City population is significantly larger then the rural population and quite frankly, few people in Canada have firearms.

If you want to end up with the Cities making the decisions for you, keep bashing the registry and defend assinine actions of the minority offenders and you will be successful.

[madmax]

Police departments would far rather have the money so they can use it on something worthwhile.

Police chiefs signal continued support for gun registry

By JIM BRONSKILL

January 29, 2006

OTTAWA (CP) - The head of Canada's police chiefs says he will impress upon the new government the merits of the national gun registry, a much-maligned system the Conservatives have promised to scrap.

Jack Ewatski, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, said he wants to open a dialogue on firearms with the ministers to be named early next month to the justice and public safety portfolios.

"We will certainly give this government some history relative to why we supported the gun legislation and gun control, including the registry, over the years," Ewatski said in an interview.

"I think it's imperative that we also provide some information to this government relative to the value of gun control programs within this country, including the registry."

The federal requirement to register shotguns and hunting rifles, initiated by the Liberals in 1995, has long rankled critics who say it is a wasteful exercise that does not reduce firearms-related crime.

Nation's long-gun registry a valuable tool for police June 22, 2009

PAUL FRIESEN

In March, the Stephen Harper government introduced a new bill to abolish the long-gun registry. There have also been attempts to do this through private member's bills.

Guns have legitimate uses. We rely on an armed police force. And agriculture would be very difficult without controlling the populations of some wild animals. "Sport" hunting plays a role in this.

But there are many crimes involving guns that do not result in death. People get injured, sometimes for life. Guns often figure in domestic violence.

And long guns -- shotguns and rifles -- are used inappropriately far more often than one might think if the gun lobby was listened to.

The Ottawa Citizen recently reported some statistics resulting from a provision of the Firearms Act, which came into force November 1. This requires police to report guns surrendered and confiscated -- usually because someone has threatened or used violence. In the first six months of those statistics, 8,281 guns were seized, and 74 per cent were nonrestricted weapons, mostly shotguns and rifles.

That seems like a pretty good reason to keep the long gun registry and start enforcing it properly. Some 43 per cent of the weapons seized had actually been registered, despite all the resistance to registration and the extensions to the registration deadline that have been granted.

In a 2007 survey by the Canada Firearms Centre of police officers from various agencies, 92 per cent of respondents reported that their agency used the registry, and 74 per cent reported that in their experience the registry had proved beneficial during major operations.

Gun lobbyists often say that criminals will not register their guns. If so, the solution seems simple. Responsible gun owners should register. Then, police can simply confiscate any unregistered weapon they come across.

I think I have heard only one head of the police force speak against the Registry and that was Julian Fantino.