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lictor616 · September 9, 2009

I learn something new everyday. When was mainly white argentina occupied by commies? I thought they were run by ....ummm..your ilk before they got thier bottoms handed to them.
Spain?

Bolivia?

Paraguay?

Greece?

greece and spain although unfortunately socialistic since the 1970,s were never occupied countries of the communist conspiracy.

and what about Bolivia Paraguay... might as well add nicaragua... ?

M.Dancer · September 9, 2009

greece and spain although unfortunately socialistic since the 1970,s were never occupied countries of thevcommunist conspiracy.
and what about Bolivia Paraguay... might as well add nicaragua... ?

Greece was run by a military dictarship unti the mid 70s

Bolivia until the mid 80s

Paraguay till the mid 90s

Suffice to say, fascists make poor economies, almost as bad as marxists....

M.Dancer · September 9, 2009

Maybe economies and the strength has nothing to do with racial diversity or homogenousness and has to do with something else....

I would guess culture.

Bonam · September 9, 2009

Maybe economies and the strength has nothing to do with racial diversity or homogenousness and has to do with something else....
I would guess culture.

The majority of succesful modern economies are based on one of two paradigms: (1) natural resources and/or (2) technology, innovation, and information.

Obviously, if a country is to prosper economically via the extraction of natural resources, it needs to have such resources. This is the case for Russia for example, and also for many nations in the middle-east that have managed to become quite wealthy and prosperous in recent years.

As for the second option, that requires an educated and intelligent population, which indeed requires a culture that supports science, research, and the pursuit of knowledge. Examples of nations based on this paradigm would be the US, Israel, Japan, Germany, etc.

Of course, culture plays a part in both cases. Some nations manage to remain in poverty despite great store of natural resources, usually due to corrupt and incompetent leadership, enabled by a culture that accepts tyranny. And it is only nations whose cultures allow intellectual freedom, the advancement of science, and free market competition and innovation that can compete for long as places where the economy prospers due to innovation and technology.

Now as for racial diversity... race still has a strong association with culture. Whether here in Canada where we specifically encourage different races to maintain their distinct cultures or in the US where the idea is a "melting pot of cultures", one's ethnic origin is still strongly correlated with one's culture. And many of the cultures that we are importing today by the hundreds of thousands are not exactly those that prize intellectual freedom and scientific pursuit. Rather, some of them emphasize strict adherence to dogma. I don't think this is particularly helpful for us if we want to achieve or maintain paradigm (2).

Edited September 9, 2009 by Bonam

M.Dancer · September 9, 2009

And many of the cultures that we are importing today by the hundreds of thousands are not exactly those that prize intellectual freedom and scientific pursuit. Rather, some of them emphasize strict adherence to dogma. I don't think this is particularly helpful for us if we want to achieve or maintain paradigm (2).

Can't say which cultures we are importing by the 100's of 1000's that don't value education...

How many Indians have won the nobel prize? 5?

Do Chinese value education? How many prizes have they won? 6?

I would certainly not argue that everyone who comes here has identical values as you or I...but I would suggest that most who come here share some common values that we hold...and one of those is education.

There is this guy from BC I know, a comedian and a Sikh. One of his routines touches upon racial epitaths and stereotyping..It goes something like...Indians are called a lot of names; Paki, Push Button, pull start, raghead..doctor....

g_bambino · September 9, 2009

They exist in our minds and then only with a broad brush. If we were to nit pick, there is no one black race or one white race or one asian race, there are dozens of each, which is why as a metric it is useless.

Ah. Thank you for putting into understandable words what I obviously could not.

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Greece was run by a military dictarship unti the mid 70s
Bolivia until the mid 80s

Paraguay till the mid 90s

Suffice to say, fascists make poor economies, almost as bad as marxists....

quite inane...

you realize that with the notable exception of Franco and MAYBE Juan Perón... the other countries you mention were never fascist

Conditions in Spain deteriorated after Franco's old age,and when he was still in power for the communist forces of destruction were held in check by a salutary memory of the power of Spanish Fascism in its prime (which actually was largely successful in Spain).

At his death, all hell broke loose: "democratic" elections were held in 1976, and Spain began to race down the road to nowhere just as the US is now doing.

The evils of Fascism were overcome pretty rapidly in Spain. Before Franco's death, there were 3,660 reported robberies in Spain. Ten years after his death, there were 49,628. And you may feel assured that further progress toward "social justice" is increasingly being made in spain... http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_...ries-per-capita today spain is the Robbery capital of Europe with 480 000 a year.

In Madrid alone, there are 200 000 known addicts to heroin, and the educational system is functioning with American ghetto efficiency.

Violent Crimes by both individuals and gangs are increasing, and tourists, now have as good a chance of being mugged and robbed or abused as they would have in Chicago or London, model cities of the socialistic ochlocracy that is called "democracy."

Internationalists and American tourists should feel at home in Spain now: they will no longer miss the stench of their own countries. Nasty Fascism is a thing of the past...

Edited September 10, 2009 by lictor616

kimmy · September 10, 2009

German is Caucasian. So by Lictor666's reasoning, Octoberfest IS another "White History Month".
We could probably take a number of such special days and say they cater to special white interests....now couldn't we....

Oktoberfest is German History Month in about the same way St Patricks's Day is Irish History month.

-k

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

quite inane...
you realize that with the notable exception of Franco and MAYBE Juan Perón... the other countries you mention were never fascist

.bolivia was...paraguay....so sad really

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

The evils of Fascism were overcome pretty rapidly in Spain. Before Franco's death, there were 3,660 reported robberies in Spain. ...

Yes yes yadda yadda...your ilk make the trains run on time....no question about that.

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

.bolivia was...paraguay....so sad really

no by any reasonable definition of fascism... and the point is WHAT ARE THEY NOW and HOW DO THEY RANK?

andwhat was that effete talk about Greece then?

Edited September 10, 2009 by lictor616

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Yes yes yadda yadda...your ilk make the trains run on time....no question about that.

bada bing! Godwin's law number 35 978 for you!

kimmy · September 10, 2009

In any event, since we are the descendants of africans, africans are indeed very successful.

Oh, ok. Since we're all African, the "Afro-centric" school in Toronto is obviously redundant.

You know there's actually no such thing as race, right?

And since we're all the same race, there can't possibly be such thing as racism.

Since we're all the same race, obviously hiring quotas are now completely unnecessary.

Since we're all the same race, "Black History Month" is obviously an absurd concept.

What sort of idiot could have come up with ideas like Affirmative Action, and Afro-centric schools, and "Black History Month" in light of the fact that there's no such thing as race?

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Colin Powell said "In America, which I love from the depths of my heart and soul, when you look like me, you're black."

Are you, Morris Dancer, or you, JB Globe, going to explain to the millions of people who found validation and personal pride in the accomplishments of Barack Obama (or Tiger Woods, or Muhammad Ali, or Hank Aaron, or Jesse Owen, or George Washington Carver) that they're simply wrong? That they're deluded? That since there's no such thing as race, they're simply wrong in thinking that Barack Obama represents them in any sense?

-k

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

bada bing! Godwin's law number 35 978 for you!

Godwins law is null when one of those in the discussion is actually a fascist.

I don't suppose you picked the handle, lictor randomly .

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Oh, ok. Since we're all African, the "Afro-centric" school in Toronto is obviously redundant.
And since we're all the same race, there can't possibly be such thing as racism.

Since we're all the same race, obviously hiring quotas are now completely unnecessary.

Since we're all the same race, "Black History Month" is obviously an absurd concept.

What sort of idiot could have come up with ideas like Affirmative Action, and Afro-centric schools, and "Black History Month" in light of the fact that there's no such thing as race?

---

Colin Powell said "In America, which I love from the depths of my heart and soul, when you look like me, you're black."

Are you, Morris Dancer, or you, JB Globe, going to explain to the millions of people who found validation and personal pride in the accomplishments of Barack Obama (or Tiger Woods, or Muhammad Ali, or Hank Aaron, or Jesse Owen, or George Washington Carver) that they're simply wrong? That they're deluded? That since there's no such thing as race, they're simply wrong in thinking that Barack Obama represents them in any sense?

-k

wow, quite a recitation that was eh dancer? yup... that's quite the indictment... so I guess we,ll be waiting for you to saddle up and start using all those nifty "nazi, racist" "jew killer" ad infinitam labels and start using them on blacks and the racist concept of black history month...

riiight...

its true its not so much fun when its not white people and western civilization you're crusading against... and talking forcefully to blacks might expose you as being a "racist" which would scare the pants off of you...

Edited September 10, 2009 by lictor616

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Godwins law is null when one of those in the discussion is actually a fascist.
I don't suppose you picked the handle, lictor randomly .

running the trains on time is a nazi godwinian law.. i'm no nazi...

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

running the trains on time is a nazi godwinian law.. i'm no nazi...

No it's a Benito M... thing....

Juan Perón. Quoted in "Argentina, 1943-1979: The National Revolution and Resistance" by Donald C. Hodges.
Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal. It was Mussolini's success in Italy, with his government-directed economy, that led the early New Dealers to say "But Mussolini keeps the trains running on time."

And Benny M was no nazi either, he was one of your ilk.

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

Are you, Morris Dancer, or you, JB Globe, going to explain to the millions of people who found validation and personal pride in the accomplishments of Barack Obama (or Tiger Woods, or Muhammad Ali, or Hank Aaron, or Jesse Owen, or George Washington Carver) that they're simply wrong? That they're deluded? That since there's no such thing as race, they're simply wrong in thinking that Barack Obama represents them in any sense?
-k

Why would I? Are they in need of reality?

I never said btw, that race doesn't exist in our culture...only that as a scientific concept it is useless.

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

... and talking forcefully to blacks might expose you as being a "racist" which would scare the pants off of you...

Unlike you I don't scare so easily cause someone is black. I talk forcefully to blacks all the time. I call one the credit manager another the production manager and a third the custumer service rep.

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

What sort of idiot could have come up with ideas like Affirmative Action, and Afro-centric schools, -k

The only kind possible, a civil servant

Bonam · September 10, 2009

Why would I? Are they in need of reality?
I never said btw, that race doesn't exist in our culture...only that as a scientific concept it is useless.

The study of cultures is also a science. I don't disagree that races might not be the most relevant biological concept, but to say they don't exist is simply ignorant.

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

No it's a Benito M... thing....
And Benny M was no nazi either, he was one of your ilk.

I named Juan Peron.. you didn't..

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

No it's a Benito M... thing....
And Benny M was no nazi either, he was one of your ilk.

yes yes my "ilk". now back to the topic at hand perhaps?

lictor616 · September 10, 2009

Why would I? Are they in need of reality?
I never said btw, that race doesn't exist in our culture...only that as a scientific concept it is useless.

yech!!

that's a pretty disgusting capitulation Dancer... I was expecting a little more then just admitting to your barefaced hypocrisy...

anyhoozle!

yeah if only doctors knew as much as you Dancer... They'd stop prescribing Bidil (a race specific miracle drug that works only on blacks!)

And I guess you know better then scientists when they discover such tidbits as lactose intolerance rates (2% for nordic Europeans, 90% for sub saharan africans!)

in other words I guess you just DECIDED that races are figments of the imagination and are simply "a useless concept" ... but of course ... blacks should have the right to a black history month...

some pretty intense flip flopping there.

Edited September 10, 2009 by lictor616

M.Dancer · September 10, 2009

yes yes my "ilk". now back to the topic at hand perhaps?

Your ilk and your white supremisim/white nationalism is the reason there is this topic. I'm pretty sure you're the only one who gives a shit about it, being so pathologically frightened of blackmen stealing your thunder and all.