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[Bonam]

They exist in our minds and then only with a broad brush. If we were to nit pick, there is no one black race or one white race or one asian race, there are dozens of each, which is why as a metric it is useless.

Like I said, black, white and asian are what I call "racial groupings", they are each comprised of many specific races (I named a few examples of specific races in my prior post).

[lictor616]

They exist in our minds and then only with a broad brush. If we were to nit pick, there is no one black race or one white race or one asian race, there are dozens of each, which is why as a metric it is useless.

hahahaha what a silly statement ... having more then 6 races means there aren't any?

i mean talk about some crazed "Alice in wonderland BS".

There are countless races of dogs... does that mean none exist? Or that dog races are optical illusions that aren't based in anything real or genetically observable?

I mean look at the logic! lol

thank you so much dancer for putting it so blatantly!

although I agree taht we should once again start specializing and refining our identification/taxonomy charts... include sub races of broad human races... use terms like Alpinoid, Congoid, Nordic Baltic or what have you...

Edited September 9, 2009 by lictor616

[M.Dancer]

hahahaha what a silly statement ... having more then 6 races means there aren't any?

Reading comprehension hard for your racial type? I said having dozens and dozens makes the simple race metric worthless...keep trying and you will one day earn your promotion.

There are countless races of dogs... does that mean none exist? Or that dog races are optical illusions that aren't based in anything real or genetically observable?

Dogs don't have races. Well, in florida they do....

[lictor616]

Reading comprehension hard for your racial type? I said having dozens and dozens makes the simple race metric worthless...keep trying and you will one day earn your promotion.

Dogs don't have races. Well, in florida they do....

okay lemme recap:

"having dozens and dozens of human races means no races exist"... this is what you are saying... and it is i'm sorry to say: sheer lunacy.

Just as there are hundreds and HUNDREDS of dog races/breeds and are not "optical illusions" or figments of a malign imagination.

Now please stop peddling noisome garbage and effete hokum to us sober people...

Edited September 9, 2009 by lictor616

[M.Dancer]

okay lemme recap:

"having dozens and dozens of human races means no races exist"... this is what you are saying... and it is i'm sorry to say: sheer lunacy.

I'm sorry to say you may be too thick to actually ackowledge what I wrote and instead substitute what you would like instead.

Is it a racial quirk, being that dishonest?

[lictor616]

there is no one black race or one white race or one asian race, there are dozens of each

no need to to further insult me and devolve the argument into a mucus slinging contest...

You said that since there were dozens and dozens of sub races of "broadly defined races" and that that meant that no races exist ... and that all those races and subraces are mere figments of the human imagination or bizarro freak optical illusions...

My response to that was that, we recognize and identify hundreds of dog races/breeds... yet no one so far as I know is suggesting that because so many dog races exist... that therefore none exist

To say that the diversity of human races is more then black white or any broad racial enclave and therefore inexistent is simply Tertullian's "certum est quia absurdum est; credo quia impossible est" and that is insanity...

so please...

Edited September 9, 2009 by lictor616

[M.Dancer]

You said that since there were dozens and dozens of sub races of "broadly defined races" and that that meant that no races exist ...

Sorry, no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't make your lies true.

I said as a metric, the broad definition is useless.

[Oleg Bach]

Sorry, no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't make your lies true.

I said as a metric, the broad definition is useless.

I like blonde green eyed - blue eyed and grey eyed people - Take your average Latino who feels inferior through their own foolishness, they dream of social climbing that consists in race climbing in their minds. Many of the young Latino woman have a dream of breeding with blonde men...I have personally seen thing phenomena a couple of times. The blonde blue eyed mutants are a dying and disappearing genetic group...We attempt to preserve certain animal species that are going extinct. What is wrong or racist about perserving a certain human group - they are beautiful as are many other "subgroups" .....It is racist to preserve race - call me racist is you want ... I don't want to see the blondes disappear - Odd how dark haired woman that look like old witches will dye their hair blonde to have a decieving angelic look..

[lictor616]

They exist in our minds and then only with a broad brush. If we were to nit pick, there is no one black race or one white race or one asian race, there are dozens of each, which is why as a metric it is useless.

here you are again saying that races are illusions "in our minds" and aren't real...

I mean you realize i'm quoting you verbatim right?

Whatever nonsense you mean by "as a metric" is unclear. Do you mean that the differences in race don't yield in measurable results? Earlier I had example after example of tested genetic material differentiation... did you know that a dentist can ascertain a person's race by looking at a naked tooth?

Does having black skin count as "measurable" data? What about how sub-sahran africans are 90% lactose intolerant vs. less then 2% for white Nordic Europeans? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

What about how the medical world is churning out drug after drug that is race-specific like Bidil?

who in the world are YOU to say that these differences are ZERO and meaningless and not worth even discussing?

[M.Dancer]

here you are again saying that races are illusions "in our minds" and aren't real...

I mean you realize i'm quoting you verbatim right?

Yes well done. It only took you 4 or 5 trys.

Now as a metric I mean when the mouth breathers chime in with nonsense like, asians are good at math or that blacks are not as honest as whites or that blacks rape more.

Ignorant stuff like that kind of drivel.

The only metric that counts is culture.

[Bonam]

Yes well done. It only took you 4 or 5 trys.

Now as a metric I mean when the mouth breathers chime in with nonsense like, asians are good at math or that blacks are not as honest as whites or that blacks rape more.

Ignorant stuff like that kind of drivel.

The only metric that counts is culture.

Is it culture that causes basketball teams to be comprised to a large degree of blacks?

[lictor616]

Yes well done. It only took you 4 or 5 trys.

Now as a metric I mean when the mouth breathers chime in with nonsense like, asians are good at math or that blacks are not as honest as whites or that blacks rape more.

Ignorant stuff like that kind of drivel.

The only metric that counts is culture.

ignorant stuff that oddly enough is supported by collected data consistently and evenly in the world...

why actually to hoist you with your own petard: http://www.weforum.org/pdf/GCR09/GCR20092010fullrankings.pdf

notice the best indication of where a country is vis-a-vis the rest of the world is very much color coded... look at the dark regions of the world... sub sahran africa... then compare those northern asiatic countries...

then compare the standardized IQ scores we routinely get in OUR part of the world...

then compile crime rates...

then ad historical achievements (or rather lack thereof for those same people)

then it all makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

anyways I await your comeback (which will doubtless be another ad hominem insult or other accusation of dishonesty... even as I quote your own words)

[lictor616]

Is it culture that causes basketball teams to be comprised to a large degree of blacks?

touché

[Guest American Woman]

Is it culture that causes basketball teams to be comprised to a large degree of blacks?

The black domination of basketball may be the result of how much it means to inner-city black players -- it often becomes the greatest piece of culture they have, something they will fight for and something at which they will fight to be the best. Just as in the Nike P.L.A.Y. campaign when Jordan asked "If there were no sports, would I still be your hero?" sports -- especially basketball -- are a tremendously valuable cultural object to inner city youth. Many coaches believe that it is the desire of inner-city black players that separates them from other white players. William Ellerbee, head basketball coach at Simon Gratz High school in Philadelphia -- a national powerhouse in basketball -- agrees with this hypothesis. Ellerbee believes "Suburban kids tend to play for the fun of it ... but inner city kids look at basketball as a matter of life and death." The white basketball player often is simply not as hungry as the black athlete and therefore black players often come out on top.

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[M.Dancer]

Is it culture that causes basketball teams to be comprised to a large degree of blacks?

Absolutely. How many world class African basketball teams are there? Perhaps basketballs isn't a part of african culture but very much so in urban america.

[Bonam]

The black domination of basketball may be the result of how much it means to inner-city black players -- it often becomes the greatest piece of culture they have, something they will fight for and something at which they will fight to be the best. Just as in the Nike P.L.A.Y. campaign when Jordan asked "If there were no sports, would I still be your hero?" sports -- especially basketball -- are a tremendously valuable cultural object to inner city youth. Many coaches believe that it is the desire of inner-city black players that separates them from other white players. William Ellerbee, head basketball coach at Simon Gratz High school in Philadelphia -- a national powerhouse in basketball -- agrees with this hypothesis. Ellerbee believes "Suburban kids tend to play for the fun of it ... but inner city kids look at basketball as a matter of life and death." The white basketball player often is simply not as hungry as the black athlete and therefore black players often come out on top.

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I'm sure that also explains all the other sports they are dominant in. Must all be part of their culture, right?

[Guest American Woman]

I'm sure that also explains all the other sports they are dominant in. Must all be part of their culture, right?

The same principle applies. They see sports as a way out of the inner city; as their best chance at a scholarship or a big income. They apply more energy to sports than whites do for this reason; place more importance on it.

[M.Dancer]

ignorant stuff that oddly enough is supported by collected data consistently and evenly in the world...

why actually to hoist you with your own petard: http://www.weforum.org/pdf/GCR09/GCR20092010fullrankings.pdf

notice the best indication of where a country is vis-a-vis the rest of the world is very much color coded... look at the dark regions of the world... sub sahran africa... then compare those northern asiatic countries...

I notice that the white ukraine is #82...russia low...estonia low...poland low..in fact, many of the poor resuklts come from white nations. You seem to prefer to overlook the obvious.

then compare the standardized IQ scores we routinely get in OUR part of the world...

Feel free

then compile crime rates...

You have already been pantsed on this...

then ad historical achievements (or rather lack thereof for those same people)

Like the holocaust...well, it was well run..

then it all makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

Only to a white supremist/white nationalist

[M.Dancer]

I'm sure that also explains all the other sports they are dominant in. Must all be part of their culture, right?

What? Like water polo? hockey? curling? What other sport are they dominant in?

[lictor616]

Absolutely. How many world class African basketball teams are there? Perhaps basketballs isn't a part of african culture but very much so in urban america.

loool and you call me dishonest?

What about lung capacity? Average height? extremity length? of course never mind that NBA is hugely popular among whites as well (73% of NBA fans are white) http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/60442

yet 79% of the player are black... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yeah its culture... sure sure sure... what ever you say dancer... and how are those pink unicorns on your wall?

[Bonam]

I notice that the white ukraine is #82...russia low...estonia low...poland low..in fact, many of the poor resuklts come from white nations. You seem to prefer to overlook the obvious.What? Like water polo? hockey? curling? What other sport are they dominant in?

Heh well I'm sure he'd say it's cause those countries are actually of the inferior Slavic race... or maybe cause they were made communist by the evil Jewish conspiracy.

Like the holocaust...well, it was well run..

Now that's just poor taste Dancer.

What? Like water polo? hockey? curling? What other sport are they dominant in?

Hmm well let's see. How about something totally unrelated to their culture in the US. Sprints, for example?

[lictor616]

I notice that the white ukraine is #82...russia low...estonia low...poland low..in fact, many of the poor resuklts come from white nations. You seem to prefer to overlook the obvious.

see what happens when nations are occupied by communist left wing irreconilables that insist that we are all created equal?

Again you're making my point over and over again Dancer... you might as well be my second account...

All those countries you mention where imbued with the same thoughtless nonsense about equality, and oppressed classes (cultures races) that are supposed to make Canada, the US and the rest of the western world a garden of Eden and Equality...

you're all over the place dancer...

they are recovering though... Poland is advancing in leaps and bounds... and Russia is on track to being a world power again as soon as they secure their capital base again.

[M.Dancer]

loool and you call me dishonest?

What about lung capacity? Average height? extremity length? of course never mind that NBA is hugely popular among whites as well (73% of NBA fans are white) http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/60442

yet 79% of the player are black... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yeah its culture... sure sure sure... what ever you say dancer... and how are those pink unicorns on your wall?

I fail to see how a fan base in proportion to the population explains why there are so few african world class basketball teams....or for that matter why with such excellent physiques in your opinion, why they aren't playing hockey....

Might have something to do with culture.

[lictor616]

I fail to see how a fan base in proportion to the population explains why there are so few african world class basketball teams....or for that matter why with such excellent physiques in your opinion, why they aren't playing hockey....

Might have something to do with culture.

You fail to see how data showing you how well looked after and "part of white culture" basketball is useful in determining you culture vs-nature argument? oh dancer... of course you don't you're just being willfully obtuse...

because the sport is not the same... blacks generally don't have the same lower body strength as whites... for proof just look at the shins and calves of all those basket ball players... yup toothpicks. Hockey players need explosive cardio while blacks are more "endurance" prone. Hockey has many short players that have been successful (just look at Theoren Fleury, Brian Gionta etc) a low center of gravity is also important.

The mental logistics of the game are also dissimilar. Hockey is similar to football in how it leads an attack. on the ice, you learn that every player is a "field general" or quarterback... And we all know how quarterbacks are majority whites in the NFL.

Culture may impact recruitment... but even with such countries as Kenya (with zero money for olympic programs) are able to churn out outstanding runners... the difference is in their GENES... narrow hips, excellent lung capacity, and ideal biometric and body types...

just as in dog races... the greyhound reigns supreme as a quick runner, while the bloodhound excels at sniffing out trails... etc...

Edited September 9, 2009 by lictor616

[M.Dancer]

see what happens when nations are occupied by communist left wing irreconilables that insist that we are all created equal?

I learn something new everyday. When was mainly white argentina occupied by commies? I thought they were run by ....ummm..your ilk before they got thier bottoms handed to them.

Spain?

Bolivia?

Paraguay?

Greece?