Wow talk about a bad Liberal PR move

punked · August 31, 2009

So the people of Sudbury have been a huge fight with the Mine owners there. See this mine is the largest of its kind, it have some of the best nickel in the world. The mine made 4 billion in profits over the last two years, and the mine owners Vale-Inco want the workers to take a wage cut. So the strike starts and has been going on for months.

So the Liberals roll into two and host a $550 a plate dinner, I bet the mine workers wont be there, but I bet Vale-Inco will be. Dont worry though the NDP is going to host a $5.50 a plate dinner and give it to the miners and steal workers who have been out on the lines for a while now.

http://www.glennthibeaultmp.ca/Media_Centre/2009/265.php

Ohhhhhhh I would also point out the Conservatives have been trying to help settle this dispute and the NDP for a long time although you never hear the world North Ontario or Sudbury out of Iggy's mouth for some reason.

Mr.Canada · August 31, 2009

So the people of Sudbury have been a huge fight with the Mine owners there. See this mine is the largest of its kind, it have some of the best nickel in the world. The mine made 4 billion in profits over the last two years, and the mine owners Vale-Inco want the workers to take a wage cut. So the strike starts and has been going on for months.
So the Liberals roll into two and host a $550 a plate dinner, I bet the mine workers wont be there, but I bet Vale-Inco will be. Dont worry though the NDP is going to host a $5.50 a plate dinner and give it to the miners and steal workers who have been out on the lines for a while now.

http://www.glennthibeaultmp.ca/Media_Centre/2009/265.php

Ohhhhhhh I would also point out the Conservatives have been trying to help settle this dispute and the NDP for a long time although you never hear the world North Ontario or Sudbury out of Iggy's mouth for some reason.

I think this is a good idea in principle but you know Smilin' Jack will be front and centre for the cameras. I actually enjoy listening to him speak, he's interesting to watch and listen to. I don't agree with all of his politics but at least he's entertaining and animated. The other leaders are rather dull and dry, yes even the PM I'm referring to.

I really hope it works out as these people who are on strike and have families to support and are just trying to do what's best for their families. Standing up to the greedy nickel company who wants to cut wages while raking in record profits is commendable.

I hope it will get resolved soon.

Yes your correct you don't hear a lot about the more rural areas and smaller city centres and it's unfortunate that they often get forgotten and overlooked.

punked · August 31, 2009

I think this is a good idea in principle but you know Smilin' Jack will be front and centre for the cameras. I actually enjoy listening to him speak, he's interesting to watch and listen to. I don't agree with all of his politics but at least he's entertaining and animated. The other leaders are rather dull and dry, yes even the PM I'm referring to.
I really hope it works out as these people who are on strike and have families to support and are just trying to do what's best for their families. Standing up to the greedy nickel company who wants to cut wages while raking in record profits is commendable.

I hope it will get resolved soon.

Yes your correct you don't hear a lot about the more rural areas and smaller city centres and it's unfortunate that they often get forgotten and overlooked.

Wow an agreement. Awesome.

jdobbin · August 31, 2009

So the Liberals roll into two and host a $550 a plate dinner, I bet the mine workers wont be there, but I bet Vale-Inco will be. Dont worry though the NDP is going to host a $5.50 a plate dinner and give it to the miners and steal workers who have been out on the lines for a while now.

More than 500 people have bought tickets to the event. Be sure to let me know how many people go to the NDP dinner.

punked · August 31, 2009

More than 500 people have bought tickets to the event. Be sure to let me know how many people go to the NDP dinner.

No problem, although if the Liberals did it in Toronto instead would those 500 people have to travel so far Dobbin?

Mr.Canada · August 31, 2009

More than 500 people have bought tickets to the event. Be sure to let me know how many people go to the NDP dinner.

There's no point in having a benefit dinner if the money isn't going to help those that need it. Are the Liberals going to share any of that money or just use to top up their own coffers?

punked · August 31, 2009

There's no point in having a benefit dinner if the money isn't going to help those that need it. Are the Liberals going to share any of that money or just use to top up their own coffers?

Nope might be why for one night the workers are moving their picket line to outside the Liberal fund raising dinner. Although a Liberal spokes person said they were "helping" by bringing people to spend money in community. Know what might help? Take a stance on Vale-Inco like the NDP did at their convention. No wage cuts during record profit years.

"We're also going to be spending money, by the way," she told CBC News. "I think we're giving." Liberal MP Maria Minna said.

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madmax · August 31, 2009

More than 500 people have bought tickets to the event. Be sure to let me know how many people go to the NDP dinner.

One dinner is about the Liberals, the others is about the local issues.

But a $550-a-plate fundraising dinner slated for Monday night in Sudbury has garnered criticism from local unions and the NDP, as about 3,000 workers with Vale Inco enter their seventh week on the picket lines with no negotiations between the company and the union.
Some workers along the picket line described the dinner as a "slap in the face" and said they planned to protest outside the event.

Sudbury NDP MP Glenn Thibeault also plans to hold a dinner of his own, serving spaghetti and salad at $5.50 a plate to support miners who find themselves without a job.

"My whole meal … is going to cost about $550 to feed about 150 to 200 people, so there's a big difference here," he said.

madmax · August 31, 2009

So the people of Sudbury have been a huge fight with the Mine owners there.

I highly doubt this is a bad PR move.

jdobbin · August 31, 2009

No problem, although if the Liberals did it in Toronto instead would those 500 people have to travel so far Dobbin?

The Liberals did have dinner in Toronto. Several times this summer according to the media.

jdobbin · August 31, 2009

Nope might be why for one night the workers are moving their picket line to outside the Liberal fund raising dinner.

I wonder how many are NDP members.

jdobbin · August 31, 2009

One dinner is about the Liberals, the others is about the local issues.

One dinner is about NDP PR, the other dinner is about Liberal PR.

punked · August 31, 2009

I wonder how many are NDP members.

This is about people who have been in a fight with a huge corporation and a Liberal party who cares nothing about them. The Conservatives and NDP have been there to try and help, the liberals just roll into town to suck them dry for their next election run.

jdobbin · August 31, 2009

This is about people who have been in a fight with a huge corporation and a Liberal party who cares nothing about them. The Conservatives and NDP have been there to try and help, the liberals just roll into town to suck them dry for their next election run.

I think you forget that the Tories let Inco get taken over and then made up some story that they saved the company. Remember?

Liberal Rejean Grenier has been advocating for the people at the mine for some time. He has been critical about how the NDP have done the job in the community. So don't give me any of your nonsense that no Liberal has said a thing.

punked · August 31, 2009

I think you forget that the Tories let Inco get taken over and then made up some story that they saved the company. Remember?
Liberal Rejean Grenier has been advocating for the people at the mine for some time. He has been critical about how the NDP have done the job in the community. So don't give me any of your nonsense that no Liberal has said a thing.

I do that was a bad move, although when they let Inco take over 2 years ago there was clause of no wage cuts. Do you remember that? Really Rejean Grenier the guy who tired and failed to run against the NDP for the Liberals has been critical of them? Ohhhhhh I am so impressed. A non MP who is running in the ridding of 4000 mine workers pretends to care wow Dobbin reaching, really reaching.

BTW Rejean Grenier advocating for the people has included telling the MP's they should never meeting with the people who own the mine. Don't worry the Liberal Backroom boys are fixed him but setting up the Nomination for Carol Hartman good he sounded desperate anyway.

Where is the policy on Vale Inco the NDP has one they passed at convention I should know I was there. Wait the Liberals don't have policy.

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jdobbin · August 31, 2009

I do that was a bad move, although when they let Inco take over 2 years ago there was clause of no wage cuts. Do you remember that? Really Rejean Grenier the guy who tired and failed to run against the NDP for the Liberals has been critical of them? Ohhhhhh I am so impressed. A non MP who is running in the ridding of 4000 mine workers pretends to care wow Dobbin reaching, really reaching.

You specifically said no Liberal was saying anything. You were wrong.

BTW Rejean Grenier advocating for the people has included telling the MP's they should never meeting with the people who own the mine. Don't worry the Liberal Backroom boys are fixed him but setting up the Nomination for Carol Hartman good he sounded desperate anyway.

Grenier said at the time that it didn't do a thing. He was right.

Where is the policy on Vale Inco the NDP has one they passed at convention I should know I was there. Wait the Liberals don't have policy.

I have no way of knowing if you were at the NDP convention or not since you are anonymous here. Are you revealing who you are at last?

By the way, the resolution was support for Vale Inco workers that the NDP made. They asked for changes in foreign investment. This was something that the Liberals have spoken on before and continue to. The latest was on Nortel.

punked · August 31, 2009

You specifically said no Liberal was saying anything. You were wrong.
Grenier said at the time that it didn't do a thing. He was right.

I have no way of knowing if you were at the NDP convention or not since you are anonymous here. Are you revealing who you are at last?

By the way, the resolution was support for Vale Inco workers that the NDP made. They asked for changes in foreign investment. This was something that the Liberals have spoken on before and continue to. The latest was on Nortel.

They aren't saying anything the strike has been going on for 8 weeks and I haven't heard anything from any elected member of your party.

Really the liberals have policy show it too me please? I look all over their website and there was nothing. I don't really trust Flippy Floppy Walffle Ignatieff he says one thing in one town and another in a different one. How about a some written policy please.

Moonbox · August 31, 2009

The Liberals have no policy. It's typical straddle the line type politics. They're trying to please as many people as possible but I think just like with Dion they'll end up pleasing nobody....well except Jdobbin.

madmax · August 31, 2009

One dinner is about NDP PR, the other dinner is about Liberal PR.

I thought the Liberal Dinner was about fundraising for the Liberal Party.

punked · August 31, 2009

I thought the Liberal Dinner was about fundraising for the Liberal Party.

And the other one to help out the striking workers no Liberal MP has talked about?

Dave_ON · August 31, 2009

They aren't saying anything the strike has been going on for 8 weeks and I haven't heard anything from any elected member of your party.
Really the liberals have policy show it too me please? I look all over their website and there was nothing. I don't really trust Flippy Floppy Walffle Ignatieff he says one thing in one town and another in a different one. How about a some written policy please.

This is the fundamental problem with the NDP and is the precise reason why they will never form the government. It is not the role of government to dictate, or even mediate labor disputes in corporations. That is between the workers and the company. Please spare us the poor hard done by union worker diatribe. If they feel their services are so very valuable, and therfore highly marketable due to the apparent demand for said services, why don't they find a job elsewhere that will pay them the wage they desire? This is the way things work in the real world Punked. Enough with the union entitlement crap. Supply and demand governs the labor markets as much as it does any other, welcome to capitalism.

This demonstrates another point I have brought up before, if the NDP are really serious about governing they need to show themselves as a real alternative to the current government, not the current official opposition party.

Dave_ON · August 31, 2009

And the other one to help out the striking workers no Liberal MP has talked about?

Why should the government have to help people who are gainfully employed yet refuse to work? It's their own fault they only have strike pay coming in. Why should I or anyone else have to pay them for not working? Guess what would happen if I refused to do my job due to a wage dispute? I'd be replaced by someone willing to do the work and I'd have to find a new job. That's the way the real world works, the sooner union workers figure this out the sooner they're self inflicted problems will be resolved.

punked · August 31, 2009

This is the fundamental problem with the NDP and is the precise reason why they will never form the government. It is not the role of government to dictate, or even mediate labor disputes in corporations. That is between the workers and the company. Please spare us the poor hard done by union worker diatribe. If they feel their services are so very valuable, and therfore highly marketable due to the apparent demand for said services, why don't they find a job elsewhere that will pay them the wage they desire? This is the way things work in the real world Punked. Enough with the union entitlement crap. Supply and demand governs the labor markets as much as it does any other, welcome to capitalism.
This demonstrates another point I have brought up before, if the NDP are really serious about governing they need to show themselves as a real alternative to the current government, not the current official opposition party.

Really because the government dictated the take over.

Really you think it is just fine for a company who takes the towns and peoples resources out of the ground and earns record profits to cut wages across the board? Good glade to know your official position I hope the Liberals don't take this route.

Edited August 31, 2009 by punked

punked · August 31, 2009

Why should the government have to help people who are gainfully employed yet refuse to work? It's their own fault they only have strike pay coming in. Why should I or anyone else have to pay them for not working? Guess what would happen if I refused to do my job due to a wage dispute? I'd be replaced by someone willing to do the work and I'd have to find a new job. That's the way the real world works, the sooner union workers figure this out the sooner they're self inflicted problems will be resolved.

Here comes the anti Union crowd to bust all of the workers and talk about the real world. In the real world there are Unions Dave someday maybe you will accept that.

Edited August 31, 2009 by punked

Dave_ON · August 31, 2009

Here comes the anti Union crowd to bust all of the workers and talk about the real world. In the real world there are Unions Dave someday maybe you will accept that.

Absolutely I'm anti-union, a fact I don't hide. You still have failed to answer why I or anyone else SHOULD pay for someone else or assist them in any way shape or form if they refuse to work. Please explain why this is my personal responsibility or even the responsibility of the government.