punked Posted August 27, 2009 Report Posted August 27, 2009 I find it amusing, that many of the people Dobbin has butted heads with over the time I have been here, ask him if he would run for the Liberals or Run Again. Regardless of his partisanship, I think it is pretty much a certain level of respect, debate, and conviction that has MLW pundits asking you (jdobbin) of your intentions. Consider that a bonus. Besides, you have had 20 years to plan you next shot. Ohhhh yah I respect Dobbin he seems more progressive then any Liberal I have met over the years. We just get in each others way on the march to progress. Quote
Melanie_ Posted August 27, 2009 Report Posted August 27, 2009 Possibly the best Premier Manitoba ever had.There is no pleasing people.. LOL. Duff Roblin will probably never really be replaced in people's minds as the best premier Manitoba ever had... at least until the generation that remembers him is completely gone. But Doer has been a good leader, and Manitobans aren't going to like the change to someone new. I wonder if he will run federally - somehow I doubt it, as it is hard to go from running a province for 12 years to sitting on a back bench. Dobbin is probably right - Axworthy will scoop him up for U of W as a sessional instructor. This will still leave him plenty of time for exploring options. Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
Bryan Posted August 27, 2009 Report Posted August 27, 2009 Possibly the best Premier Manitoba ever had. Not even close. One of the very worst. This govt have been horrible at almost every turn. The wastefulness, and plain stupid decisions are staggering. They've sucked Manitoba Hydro dry, and saddled it with billions in liabilities so that they can make it look like the provincial books are balanced when the reality is they have a massive deficit. They took one of the best healthcare facilities in the country, a shining example of how ALL healthcare should be delivered, and turned it into the most inefficient worthless money pit imaginable. Welfare rolls have soared. The secure ID program has been a nightmare. Every facet of family services has been a textbook example of how to grossly mismanage a department. Manitoba has been succeeding lately (at least in terms of employment and retail stats) in spite of the provincial govt, not because of it. If any govt deserves at least some credit, it's the current civic govt in Winnipeg which finally has a somewhat business friendly outlook. Quote
punked Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 Not even close. One of the very worst.This govt have been horrible at almost every turn. The wastefulness, and plain stupid decisions are staggering. They've sucked Manitoba Hydro dry, and saddled it with billions in liabilities so that they can make it look like the provincial books are balanced when the reality is they have a massive deficit. They took one of the best healthcare facilities in the country, a shining example of how ALL healthcare should be delivered, and turned it into the most inefficient worthless money pit imaginable. Welfare rolls have soared. The secure ID program has been a nightmare. Every facet of family services has been a textbook example of how to grossly mismanage a department. Manitoba has been succeeding lately (at least in terms of employment and retail stats) in spite of the provincial govt, not because of it. If any govt deserves at least some credit, it's the current civic govt in Winnipeg which finally has a somewhat business friendly outlook. I remember this is the same crap I heard about the NDP of Sask then Brad Wall took over and fix it all........wait he ran the province into the ground in a year. Quote
Wild Bill Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 The 70s must be good the economy in Manitoba is outperforming 9 other provinces. And truthfully WildBill. It doesn't matter who leads the Federal NDP, you are unlikely to vote for them as well. Even in the 70's the Manitoba NDP were 40 years ahead of their federal brethren! And you're right, I'm unlikely to vote for them but that's not the point. The point is, would more OTHERS vote for them? I'm simply saying that the federal NDP needs a drastic modernization if they want to pull significantly more votes than they command at present. With a bilingual Doer or some Tony Blair type leader it would be a whole new ball game for them. Frankly, now that Dion is gone I don't expect Layton to hang on to what he's got next election. We'll see soon enough, I guess. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
jbg Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) Dobbin maybe you are right. I'll tell you what Dobbin if this is so he can run for the Liberals the west just got competitive fast. If this is so he can run for the NDP the west just got competitive fast. If this is so he can enjoy life, the West just went conservative sea of Blue.You're not making any sense. Are you saying the West becomes competitive if Doer tries to "do it" for the LPC or for the NDP? Edited August 28, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
punked Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 You're not making any sense. Are you saying the West becomes competitive if Doer trys to "do it" for the LPC or for the NDP? I am saying right now if you look at the MB Sask numbers the Cons are poll like 50% and the Liberals and NDP split the rest evenly. Doer jumps on for the NDP or Liberals and all of sudden those MB and Sask change. Just looking at the polls. Quote
Topaz Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 Well, Doer is now the Enoy for Canada in Washington and Mike Wilson will be coming home. I knew Doer would be doing something for Harper. These two have been getting close the last couple years, so it really didn't surprise me. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/08/28/...washington.html Quote
madmax Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 I am saying right now if you look at the MB Sask numbers the Cons are poll like 50% and the Liberals and NDP split the rest evenly. Doer jumps on for the NDP or Liberals and all of sudden those MB and Sask change. Just looking at the polls. I'm saying, you get to hold that thought permanently. I understood your point. Whichever team he choose would get a significant boost. However, now he's off to the USA. Say hi to him JBG. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 Well, Doer is now the Enoy for Canada in Washington and Mike Wilson will be coming home. I knew Doer would be doing something for Harper. These two have been getting close the last couple years, so it really didn't surprise me. It is a good position for him. He has been chosen not just because Harper has always had good relations with Doer but because Harper has some of the best relationships with U.S. governors in Canada. There are few governors in western states that he doesn't know on a first name basis. He and the governor of California get on very well. He is well suited to the role and it is why I suggested a while back that U.S. ambassador was a possibility. I had no special insight on Michael Wilson's future other than he has been ambassador for some time. I suspect that after years of government service, actual retirement wasn't out of the question. Smart move. New President and now a new ambassador for the times. Quote
Topaz Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 It is a good position for him.He has been chosen not just because Harper has always had good relations with Doer but because Harper has some of the best relationships with U.S. governors in Canada. There are few governors in western states that he doesn't know on a first name basis. He and the governor of California get on very well. He is well suited to the role and it is why I suggested a while back that U.S. ambassador was a possibility. I had no special insight on Michael Wilson's future other than he has been ambassador for some time. I suspect that after years of government service, actual retirement wasn't out of the question. Smart move. New President and now a new ambassador for the times. A reporter on the news, reported the reason Harper picked him was, Doer is "American Friendly" and that what Harper wanted. I would think that Doer and his family will get a good education on the pros and the cons of being a Canadian in America. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) Oh, just an update: There has been speculation about who will replace Doer in the event of him leaving. I have said Theresa Oswald. Well, there have been whispers by Doer himself about some people not running again. I didn't dismiss them but I didn't comment on some of them. It does seem to be fairly solid now that her husband has taken a job in the U.S. and a house has been bought. No conformation yet but she might be the cabinet minister they are talking about as stepping down. Edited August 29, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
capricorn Posted August 29, 2009 Report Posted August 29, 2009 I would think that Doer and his family will get a good education on the pros and the cons of being a Canadian in America. What. Has Ignatieff been assigned be his tutor? Speaking of which, Harper appoints semi-literate Jacques Demers to the Senate and a past NDP Premier as Ambassador to the US. Our literary giant Ignatieff must feel nauseous. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
BubberMiley Posted August 29, 2009 Report Posted August 29, 2009 He's still a present NDP premier. But Doer's appointment is a very shrewd move. It's kind of a win-win all around. Harper must be a wicked chess player. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Smallc Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Posted August 29, 2009 Everyone applauded the appointment. That rarely happens. Quote
jbg Posted August 29, 2009 Report Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) What. Has Ignatieff been assigned be his tutor? Speaking of which, Harper appoints semi-literate Jacques Demers to the Senate and a past NDP Premier as Ambassador to the US. Our literary giant Ignatieff must feel nauseous. He's still a present NDP premier.But Doer's appointment is a very shrewd move. It's kind of a win-win all around. Harper must be a wicked chess player. You both just made me spit coffee on the computer screen. Very funny. Edited August 29, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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