maplesyrup Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Trudeau excluded property rights fron Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms because the Charter deals with equality, and property rights deal with inequality. And I absolutely agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Yeah you are completely right lets look at which civilization's have token away property rights and have flourished. -Soviet Union -China -North Korea -Cuba -Canada Wow thats a great list of countries to be a part of. Lets get one thing straight about Trudea he did'nt really "love" this country. He simply hated the last one, and created a new utopia in his own image. He said during world war 2 Canada was as bad as the Nazis. Travelled around the Soviet Union, and China, saying how great those countries were even as millions were dying due to brutal communist policies. Property Rights deal with freedom. If you don't have property rights you don't have freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Sorry, but that's incorrect. Trudeau wanted to include property rights and his first drafts do include them, but in order to get the Charter approved by Parliament he had to have the NDP vote, and they refused to ratify any such document that guaranteed property rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common Sense Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Trudeau excluded property rights fron Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms because the Charter deals with equality, and property rights deal with inequality. And I absolutely agree with him. Trudeau was a card carrying Communist and the President of the Communist Youth League of Canada. When he tried to enter the USA to go Skiing in Vale Colorado American Immigration rejected his entry. He then offered considerable money to the Liberal Party Aka Fiberal Party of Canada with the caveat that he would be the leader and eventually PM which meant that he could then go skiing in the USA because he was the PM. He was an ignorant arrogant sob who could care less about rights of anyone other than his own and his good buddy Rene Levesque who most weekends the jet landed at Ancienne Lorette with women on board they then fly to a ahem special cottage in Labrador and drink and screw all weekend. Trudeau didn't give a rats ass about anyone, He was a pinko and didn't beleive in rights for eveyone and made sure of it. He was a pinko jerk corrupt politician from Queerbec!!! FACT !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hjalmar Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Trudeau wanted to include property rights and his first drafts do include them, but in order to get the Charter approved by Parliament he had to have the NDP vote, and they refused to ratify any such document that guaranteed property rights. I'm waiting for your response maplesyrup. Socialists are Communists only less mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 The UK has no Charter of Rights and yet the British have "clear" definitions of property rights; so do we. Canada did not change its property law in 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idealisttotheend Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 I believe most of the Native societies here before the Euopeans arrived not only didn't have property rights but didn't understand the concept. Were they somehow oppressd or not free? And why do property rights have to be in the constitution anyway? If I have a large supply of hashish or child pornography is it then my property and do I then have a constitutional right to it. If not because it is illegal, then why can't guns or cars or anything else that we now consider property be made illegal therefore voiding the constitutional protection on it? I don't see the benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 And why do property rights have to be in the constitution anyway? Do you own yourself? Can the State take you against your wishes and force you to do military service for two years? (This happens in many countries.) The Draft or Conscription around the World Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idealisttotheend Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Thank you for the article, I didn't know so many countries still had conscription. Indeed ths state can compel me to serve in the military (if necessary but not necessarily, in the great Canadian tradition). That is exactly my point. While I am free, the democratically elected parliament, acting on behalf of the majority of my fellow citizens, has the right to compel me in certain ways. That may include taking away or restircting my "property" at certain times. You yourself pointed out that we do have laws regarding property that have not changed. If I do not want to be conscripted I have to vote for a party that opposes it at election time or write my MP to see that it is not instituted between elections or take any other democratic action to affect the policy. I do not need a constitutional protection against being conscripted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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