whowhere Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Posted December 5, 2009 Indeed....but other Canadians have voted with their feet. Canada is the best country in the world....for you. He's probably drawing his income from over taxed canadians. As they say, don't bite the hand. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 My saary is larger than the average for North America. Nice try though. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 My saary is larger than the average for North America. Nice try though. I sure hope so....Canada's population is only 8% of Norte America. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Your point being? Canada and the US have almost exactly the same average salary. And yes, I was leaving Mexico out of that. Edited December 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 ...And yes, I was leaving Mexico out of that. .....you always do, for reasons only you understand. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 Possibly because Mexico doesn't interest me in the slightest. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Possibly because Mexico doesn't interest me in the slightest. "North America" includes: Anguilla [2] Antigua and Barbuda Aruba [3][4] Bahamas Barbados Belize Bermuda [2] British Virgin Islands [2] Canada Cayman Islands[2] Clipperton Island [5] Costa Rica Cuba Dominica Dominican Republic El Salvador Greenland [6] Grenada Guadeloupe [7] Guatemala Haiti Honduras Isla Aves[8] Jamaica Martinique [7] Mexico Montserrat [2] Navassa Island [9] Netherlands Antilles [3][10] Nicaragua Panama Puerto Rico [11] Saint Barthelemy [5] Saint Kitts and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint-Martin [5] Saint Pierre and Miquelon [5] Saint Vincent and the Grenadines San Andrés y Providencia[12] Trinidad and Tobago [4] Turks and Caicos Islands [2] United States United States Virgin Islands [11] Edited December 5, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 No, it doesn't appear idiotic, but I think much of it is misguided. I don't think the US is a bad place, but as far as I'm concerned, this country is better, and I don't think I should have to apologize for thinking that. We have one of the best countries in the world (and that can be seen objectively as well) with one of the highest qualities of life. We're not the best in every category, but we do quite well overall. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else...not even a place that has supposedly 'fixed' the problems with our system. We are an ok country, better than France or Germany or Denmark or England so let's not go that way. Why do you think Americans are simply misguided when it comes to health care? No other first world nation has no universal government health care system? Why are they so insistent about keeping government from running their health care? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 We are an ok country, better than France or Germany or Denmark or England so let's not go that way. Why do you think Americans are simply misguided when it comes to health care? No other first world nation has no universal government health care system? Why are they so insistent about keeping government from running their health care? We're far better than OK. I think that much of the opposition to health care is misguided because it's based on fear of change. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 ...Why do you think Americans are simply misguided when it comes to health care? No other first world nation has no universal government health care system? Why are they so insistent about keeping government from running their health care? Because they are Americans....why are these other nations so insistent that they do? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
whowhere Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Posted December 5, 2009 We're far better than OK. I think that much of the opposition to health care is misguided because it's based on fear of change. http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news/local/article/217685--passport-to-health-care If Canada's health care i sso much better than the US why are Canadians going there?? Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 I didn't say Canadian healthcare was better. It's good, and it's more fair. It's better at some thing sand not at others. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news/local/article/217685--passport-to-health-care If Canada's health care i sso much better than the US why are Canadians going there?? Because everyone gets to suffer equally in queue....except when they have the cash to skip the line. It's patriotic to wait in line. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Oh yes, all those mysterious people suffering in the queue (and now you begin looking for cases to show me all of these people...predictable as you are). Edited December 5, 2009 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Oh yes, all those mysterious people suffering in the queue (and now you begin looking for cases to show me all of these people...predictable as you are). This has already been discussed ad nauseum in many other threads. We'll leave the light on for you.....cash or credit card? I recall that your position was that America's health care system was an economic solution to any shortfalls in services or wait times back home. Edited December 5, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted December 6, 2009 Report Posted December 6, 2009 We're far better than OK. I think that much of the opposition to health care is misguided because it's based on fear of change. Fear of change or fear of an inability to change once health care becomes socialized? We can't change our health care system but the debate is still able to be carried on in the States. All we can do is keep adding funding. And if you are going to insist that it is constantly changing I have to insist that the more it changes the more it stays the same. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Smallc Posted December 6, 2009 Report Posted December 6, 2009 None of that has anything to do with...anything. Your opinions on American healthcare doesn't prove that they've fixed any of the problems that exist in our system of government and Constitution. Quote
Pliny Posted December 6, 2009 Report Posted December 6, 2009 None of that has anything to do with...anything. Your opinions on American healthcare doesn't prove that they've fixed any of the problems that exist in our system of government and Constitution. well, as B-C said Canada is perfect for you. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Smallc Posted December 6, 2009 Report Posted December 6, 2009 Canada isn't perfect, but it's excellent. I don't see any other way to look at it. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 How is the PM choosing the GG democratic? - Because the Prime Minister is responsible to the elected House of Commons for all advice he tenders to the Queen. - Because the Governor General remains free to represent all Canadians on behalf of the monarch rather than representing only a select block of voters. If Canadians select and elect the GG its democratic. Voting is only one part of what makes a democracy. Also required are equality before the law, equal access to power, and guaranteed freedoms and liberties; voting alone cannot provide these. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 I think the threat of GG action is always hovering in the background and does constrain the PMO, a badly needed constraint in a majority government. This gets close to the heart of the parliamentary system; it has been said that the value of the Crown is not the power it uses but the power it denies others. In other words, no matter what aspirations a politician has, he knows that the power of the state is ultimately not his to hold and therefore use as he pleases. If he doesn't know that, he quickly finds out, as Harper did nearly a year ago. Quote
jbg Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 If he doesn't know that, he quickly finds out, as Harper did nearly a year ago.Do you mean the fact that he needed permission to eat pirogues prorogue Parliament? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ZenOps Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Yup, The Governor General is the head of state in the Queens stead. Meaning that Michelle is our head of state when the Queen does not have her feet on Canadian soil. The Queen of course has the right to revoke Michelles title or move it to someone else at any instant however. The Prime minister? Well, sure he can be fired (if by "fired" you mean the ability to stop the lawmaking ability) The latest line of Prime ministers haven't really been doing much lawmaking anyways. Since parliament was prorogued - do we have to pay them for the time they were sitting on their asses doing nothing? Edited December 7, 2009 by ZenOps Quote
Smallc Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 Because politicians only work when they're in the House, right? The GG is at most Acting Head of State. She's not the Head of State no matter where the Queen is. Se could be on the moon. Quote
ZenOps Posted December 7, 2009 Report Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Doesn't really matter if its acting or not. Head of State is head of state legally, it was never repealed as a law when Canada moved to the Canadian Constitution from the British North America Act sometime around 1982. The Governor General, no matter who it is - is the only one other than the Queen that has certain powers over the head of the Canadian government. For something as drastic as stopping parliament entirely, the GG is there exactly for such instances. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/04/harper-jean.html Parliament and the Prime minister can make certain requests, but ultimately the thumbs up or down comes from the GG (which can be overridden/overturned by the British Queen) Yes the Queen still owns my ass, she owns your ass, she owns all our asses (legally that is) And off topic: Yes Natives own Caledonia, just like the Tsuu Tina #145 own 1/4 of Calgary, it is written under British Monarchy under non-repealed BNA acts. If the Government want to write an amendment into the Constitution that they no longer have to adhere to the GG, then they can go ahead and try and write it in. They can also try to write in an act nullifying all native land rights (which some people seem to desperately want too) that were previously ironclad under British Treaty signed by the reigning monarchy. What I don't think people understand, is that is basically a declaration of war - a war of independance. Canada is *not* independant, no matter what your highschool social teacher told you. Edited December 8, 2009 by ZenOps Quote
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