Hate Crime in Courtenay, BC

[wulf42]

I didn't ask you that.

Has it occurred to you the person that asked you might be a conservative?

Let’s take this topic elsewhere….

Halifax is one of the most beautiful towns in Canada in my opinion, and I've done some extensive work there, and while by no means am I trying to generalize, many there don't take kindly to taking orders from someone with darker skin. Racism in the job market and especially higher echelons of corporate offices still exist. Many still believe "All races are created equal, but some more equal than others".

I find racist to be both of liberal and conservative political alignment, of every colour, ethnicity and background.

This is why anti-discrimination laws exist. I won't be surprised if an Indian or Korean manager find themselves embroiled in their wrath within the next few years.

While there may be some who feel that way most do not, i for one could careless who i take orders from if they are my boss they are my boss whatever colour they happen to be...........my arguement is we as a society have to be equally offended by attacks on Whites the same as attacks on other races, it should be completely irrelevant what the colour is..the point being made here is sometimes that doesn t happen.........it at least appears when whites commit a hate crime the media loses their friggin mind.......but if the reverse happens it is hardly mentioned.........this is morally wrong and will lead to more racism......all i am saying it has to be a fair and level playing field for everyone. Every hate crime should have the book thrown at it and charged under the law

regardless of who or what colour they happen to be that commits it!

Edited July 13, 2009 by wulf42

[lictor616]

An iota of proof would be a start....you're hysterics and tangible fear and cowardice of blacks not proof....nor are your falsohoods and strawmen

my "cowardice of blacks" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That I would never wish to enter into a fight with a black means i'm a coward? But then again if I said I did ... that would make me a racist...

talk about straw men... Dancer, could you abide more closely to forum discussion rules... every comment of yours is a one sentence ad hominem abusive that is almost always used to discourage debate. Stop being so emotional.

[rabidgoose]

my "cowardice of blacks" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That I would never wish to enter into a fight with a black means i'm a coward? But then again if I said I did ... that would make me a racist...

talk about straw men... Dancer, could you abide more closely to forum discussion rules... every comment of yours is a one sentence ad hominem abusive that is almost always used to discourage debate. Stop being so emotional.

You sir are a royal douchebag.

[M.Dancer]

my "cowardice of blacks" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That I would never wish to enter into a fight with a black means i'm a coward?.

I never suggested you enter a fight...I think you're too scared to enter a room...

[lictor616]

I never suggested you enter a fight...I think you're too scared to enter a room...

what did I tell ya Dancer! can I call em!

okay keep laying it on... what next? maybe another godwin fallacy? hmmm maybe you could reduce your posts to one word expletives...

might as well tie it down to:

Lictor616: "hey Dancer, could you name the concrete specific strengths we derive from our "diversity"?"

answer M.Dancer "nazi, skin head, heil hitler, KKK"

see! no need to construct complete sentences Dancer, we already know the jargon...

[M.Dancer]

see! no need to construct complete sentences Dancer, we already know the jargon...

We?

Unless it's you and your playmates coming up with nonsense I suggest you avail yourself to the public mental heath resources at your disposal.

There have been a number of example of why diversity is preferable to the contrary. You just won't acknowledge them cause it rattles your precious homogenous cage. And that in a nutshell is the cowardice I see....

[lictor616]

There have been a number of example of why diversity is preferable to the contrary. You just won't acknowledge them cause it rattles your precious homogenous cage. And that in a nutshell is the cowardice I see....

With the negligible exception of culinary diversity... THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO EXAMPLES... ZERO CONCRETE SPECIFIC STRENGTHS provided by anyone here of our "diversity"...

You inane argument that to learn about cultures and be aware of other civilizations is a direct factor of the amount of immigrants in a country was refuted. You can have an opera house without Italians, you can know about Japanese food without Japanese immigrants, you can know possess and learn about Ming ceramics without Chinese immigrants. You can learn other cultures (far better) by TRAVELLING and experiencing REAL cultures in their proper context FIRST HAND.

Either way, probably not even Barack Obama would claim that having people learn about other cultures is a serious national aim.

I repeat I asked you to enumerate the CONCRETE SPECIFIC REAL STRENGTHS we would not have without our "diversity": IE: Does diversity increase crop yield, does it boost GNP?

Show me how having 1 million Nigerians for instance, will help us boost exports... or reduce crime ad poverty...

[M.Dancer]

You inane argument that to learn about cultures and be aware of other civilizations is a direct factor of the amount of immigrants in a country was refuted.

Not that I have seen....not even sure i made that argument

to learn about cultures and be aware of other civilizations is a direct factor of the amount of immigrants

Maybe you and the other voices are on more than one web site getting your strawmen mixed up?

[M.Dancer]

I repeat I asked you to enumerate the CONCRETE SPECIFIC REAL STRENGTHS we would not have without our "diversity": IE: Does diversity increase crop yield, does it boost GNP?

I suppose we would have to ask the Norwegian and Ukrainian settleres in the west about crop yields...maybe send a note to Frank Stronach and Lee Ka Lau about the GDP.

[ToadBrother]

lol...............so treating ALL races the same equally under the law makes me a racist??? ...................your an idiot!

Good God no wonder this country is in so much trouble ...to many people who think like you!

No, pretending that long-term abuses against certain ethno-racial groups can simply be cured by declaring "You are now equal". If that was the case, then all the blacks in the United States would have been instantaneously propelled into the normal socio-economic ranks enjoyed by most white people when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, the reality is that blacks, particularly in the former Confederacy, but also in many other parts of the United States, were still be heavily discriminated against even a century later. It actually takes more than words to create equality, I'm afraid.

[tango]

Sooo ... Did anyone hear about the three white guys that beat up a white guy?

ya ... it was lictor616.

[tango]

Maybe you and the other voices are on more than one web site getting your strawmen mixed up?

"the other voices"

Watch out MDancer ...

lictor's gonna sic his grand poohbah 'voice' on you!

[JB Globe]

No the problem is self righteous fugitives of reality like yourself and tango, who are supremely sensitive and create problems where there are none.

Which "White Nationalist Misinformation Handbook" edition are you using? 1982 or 1976?

see section 24-156: "Racism only exists because minorities keep it going. ie - if the Jews would stop whining when we beat them up there wouldn't be a problem."

People who think in double standards, and to whom any concepts of justice and TRUE equity are utterly alien.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black - pun fully intended.

People like you griz, who work themselves into a fine lather because some street thug ambushed 3 white guys with a camera so he could cry racism after taunting them ad provoking them to fight...

Oh this is classic! You're claiming that the police are wrong in their conclusion that this is a case of an assault motivated by racism against the black victim. You're claiming that the witness statements are false, and that the video doesn't show what the police, every media outlet, and the general public of Courtney and Canada believe it to show: that a black man was assaulted by 3 white men yelling slurs.

Essentially: You're claiming you know more about this incident than police because the police are part of the international (Jewish?) conspiracy against white people, and they only prosecuted this crime because of their secret anti-white mandate that only you and your White Nationalist buddies are wise enough to see.

And we're all supposed to believe you because . . . Because why exactly? Why should any of us believe some random person on the internet whining about: "The black guy was the perp! Trust me! I'm right about this because I'm me and I'm right about everything! That's what my friends on Stormfront say!" Solid argument there.

but who are ABSOLUTELY SILENT when they are shown a video documenting a 14 year old white girl being assaulted by 14... that's FOURTEEN black males, kicking, stomping, spitting on her... hurling racial epithets... as THEY THEMSELVES videotaped her ordeal.

Like I said before, I didn't know about that incident, and I don't speak French, hence why I'm not going to comment on it UNTIL I read something about it from a reputable source in English. I'm not going to "take your word for it" that the incident is what you say it is. If it turns out that these youth beat up the girl because she was white, than I will surely call it a hate crime.

Why aren't you going to spend 10 seconds and post an article so that we can all verify the incident really is what you say it is? Are you hiding something? Perhaps it isn't a hate crime but you're doing some more White Nationalist misinformation to make it appear that it is?

[JB Globe]

Groups of Blacks attack Whites in this city almost every day. It just isn't called a hate crime, and it gets little publicity.

That's because it's not a hate crime just because the perp and victim happen to be of different races. You know this, right?

[lictor616]

No, pretending that long-term abuses against certain ethno-racial groups can simply be cured by declaring "You are now equal". If that was the case, then all the blacks in the United States would have been instantaneously propelled into the normal socio-economic ranks enjoyed by most white people when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, the reality is that blacks, particularly in the former Confederacy, but also in many other parts of the United States, were still be heavily discriminated against even a century later. It actually takes more than words to create equality, I'm afraid.

OH! I See, so now we have to use racism to fight "historical" racism... how clever! Yeah you don't just declare... "okay now we're equal" and race doesn't count for anything" no that's what the KKK would want I suppose... So no we have to have governmental policies that are race based and treat people differently depending on what race they are....

Yes we'll engage in racism to end racism... sounds a little nutty but hey i'm sure it'll work... Just like being impolite to impolite people will increase overall politeness... yes this sounds diabolically good!

Edited July 14, 2009 by lictor616

[lictor616]

That's because it's not a hate crime just because the perp and victim happen to be of different races. You know this, right?

That was my whole point about this "hate crime"...

[Strangles]

so a system of complete racial equality, which doesn't consider race AT ALL... is still somehow ... RACIST? am I getting this right? Wanting to treat people of different races EQUALLY... is RAcist...

I mean how much more proof do you need to see that all this hate crime hooplah has nothing to do with anti racism... and everything to do with bludgeoning the white majority into accepting its own racial subjugation and "payback" for some real or imagine racism. People like strangles are the real racists... people who want to enact laws to dispossess an identifiable group. The fact that he couldn't bring himself to qualify the 14 on 1 (black on white 14 year old girl assault) as ALSO a hatecrime shows the functioning of this person's mind: which is filled with racial hatred for white people.

Like a seagull...my post flew over your head.

I'd suggest you read it over again.

[wulf42]

The key to ending racism is the exact treatment of all races.......until that day happens racism will never go away...........all races have to stop living in the past and look forward to the future, no one races of people should get anything over the other just because, black and white shouldn t be an issue if i was hiring someone for a job i would look at and only look at if they are qualified and educated for the position if they happen to be black who cares and if they are white who cares that should not matter but what i don t agree with is hiring based on company image

and i have seen it happen time and time again...........the old we have to have so many of these and so many of those so we look fair, doesn t matter if they are qualified or not that kind of reasoning will fuel hatred and racism!!!.

[lictor616]

The key to ending racism is the exact treatment of all races.......until that day happens racism will never go away...........all races have to stop living in the past and look forward to the future, no one races of people should get anything over the other just because, black and white shouldn t be an issue if i was hiring someone for a job i would look at and only look at if they are qualified and educated for the position if they happen to be black who cares and if they are white who cares that should not matter but what i don t agree with is hiring based on company image

and i have seen it happen time and time again...........the old we have to have so many of these and so many of those so we look fair, doesn t matter if they are qualified or not that kind of reasoning will fuel hatred and racism!!!.

precisely wulf42.

It is the height of absurdity to claim that using racism will somehow end racism... Its also absurd to claim that dispossessing group A because of its race will somehow avoid breeding resentment within group A.

This seems perfectly rational and reasonable... its astonishing that so many here fail to see it.

[JB Globe]

That was my whole point about this "hate crime"...

I get it - you don't believe it was a hate crime, and you're totally entitled to think that.

But unfortunately for you, your opinion is insignificant when compared to the findings of the police who investigated the incident, who found through video and witness testimony that yes, this was a hate crime.

Why should anyone listen to you? You know much, much, much, less about this than the police do, so why is that you say of any value to anyone?

Your argument thus far has been: "This isn't a hate crime because I say so and I'm always right, because I'm me!"

If you're going to behave like a little child, don't get angry when people don't take you seriously.

You really should have cut your losses a long time a go and left, now you're a laughing stock.

[lictor616]

I get it - you don't believe it was a hate crime, and you're totally entitled to think that.

But unfortunately for you, your opinion is insignificant when compared to the findings of the police who investigated the incident, who found through video and witness testimony that yes, this was a hate crime.

Why should anyone listen to you? You know much, much, much, less about this than the police do, so why is that you say of any value to anyone?

Your argument thus far has been: "This isn't a hate crime because I say so and I'm always right, because I'm me!"

If you're going to behave like a little child, don't get angry when people don't take you seriously.

You really should have cut your losses a long time a go and left, now you're a laughing stock.

No you fail to see my point (self evident as it may be).

The concept of "hate crime" is ludicrous to begin with. It punishes the THOUGHT that went into a crime, which is simply not the way our justice system works... I understand that our justice system DOES recognize such a thing as a "hate crime" but it runs contrary to our entire conception of coercion.

The state is justified in coercing an individual ONLY to prevent harm to OTHERS and not to condemn an individual for holding objectionable beliefs, values, or preferences... hence the state cannot punish someone for holding unfavorable opinions about certain races...

You punish the ACT... assault is already a crime... there is no better or worse justification for assault, the way it works (or rather SHOULD WORK) is that punching someone in the face because of his style of clothes, because he winked at my girlfriend or because he's black ... these are all equally criminal... you don't punish the REASON WHY someone commits assault; you PUNISH THE ACT: the assault itself.

Or else it amounts to a thought crime (that is what a hate crime amounts to: a thought crime)... which is simply madness and lunacy on stilts, punishing someone's thoughts is the grossest insult to freedom, the gravest attack on liberty... a person's thoughts cannot and SHOULD NEVER be subject for criminal punishment. If there is one true fundamental human right, it is the right to free thought.

Now liberals who defend this nauseating concept of "hate crime" are simply insane. Its not MY PERSONAL opinion, this is a fact.

punishing a person for his thoughts (no matter how ugly and abrasive) is an attempt at denial of reason and decency; it is the insane fanaticism of a mind diseased with hatred of freedom. It is the faith of a nation bent on a tyranny more terrible then any imagined, it is the death-wish of a people who are unfit to be called human.

This nameless abomination of "hatecrime" is unnacceptable to any decent freethinking human (whatever the race).

Edited July 14, 2009 by lictor616

[wulf42]

precisely wulf42.

It is the height of absurdity to claim that using racism will somehow end racism... Its also absurd to claim that dispossessing group A because of its race will somehow avoid breeding resentment within group A.

This seems perfectly rational and reasonable... its astonishing that so many here fail to see it.

Well that comes from years of political correctness................if a white person questions anything these days regarding certain practices or unfair treatment he/she is labeled immediately as a racist where as if another person from a minority raises an issue it is understandable and must be respected, this of course will lead to resentment and the seeds of racism are planted........look back a few pages where i was jumped on for being a racist for merely suggesting whites and blacks should be treated exactly the same! again political correctness! i am white so if i say anything that may question how things are done and sometimes unfairly i must be a racist but not to long ago i was standing in a line up in Sobeys (grocery store) and a person of a different race told her young daughter "don't talk to whitey" because an older white man was asking the young girl how she was! yet not one person said a thing including myself because i know what would happen, yet if you reverse that situation you would be lynched right where you stood! .....until it is a complete and level playing field for all races where there is absolutely no difference between white and any other race and intolerant racist remarks or attacks on any race by another is treated equally offensive ............racism will continue to raise it's ugly head!

Edited July 14, 2009 by wulf42

[M.Dancer]

The concept of "hate crime" is ludicrous to begin with. It punishes the THOUGHT that went into a crime,

No. It adds a penalty for the motivation....just like murder in the first is more severe than simple manslaugter...

Saying they are punishing thought is absurd, racists couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag....

[lictor616]

No. It adds a penalty for the motivation....just like murder in the first is more severe than simple manslaugter...

Saying they are punishing thought is absurd, racists couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag....

WHAT!?!?!?!

First degree murder doesn't have anything to do with the type of motivation... it has to do with the degree of planning and execution. "Malice aforethought" is not a MOTIVE.

And to apply that to simple assault is even crazier.

Also it beggars the question: if race why not OTHER reasons? why not make it a "hatecrime" to assault someone because of his clothes, or because he looked at you funny, or because he was ugly?

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

"Hatecrime" is ABSOLUTELY a thought crime.

[ToadBrother]

OH! I See, so now we have to use racism to fight "historical" racism... how clever! Yeah you don't just declare... "okay now we're equal" and race doesn't count for anything" no that's what the KKK would want I suppose... So no we have to have governmental policies that are race based and treat people differently depending on what race they are....

Yes we'll engage in racism to end racism... sounds a little nutty but hey i'm sure it'll work... Just like being impolite to impolite people will increase overall politeness... yes this sounds diabolically good!

First of all, I never advocated any particular means of achieving equality. That's your sick racist views putting words in my mouth. Those voices are in your head, my pathetic and vile friend, not in mine.

However, pretending that you aren't worthy of being dumped in a large hole somewhere far away, I'll just say the historical record in the US was clear. Not following up the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment with actual meaningful policies basically condemned ex-slaves and their descendants in the former slave states, but in reality all through the US to economic and social marginalization (which is still going in some places). Maybe if Lincoln (who I'm sure you view as some sort of race traitor) had lived, that might have happened, but instead his weak-kneed successor Andrew Johnson bungled it all up horribly. But then again, I suppose Johnson's crypto-racism probably appeals to you.