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Left and right have merged. The NDP was incrimentally overwhelmed...as manufacturing became non-existant in north america - there was no more cause to fight for...NDP was the blue collar working man's party..there is no blue collar to speak off - Layton has learned that money makes the world go round - not ideolgy...now he waits at the masters table for a crumb...bottom line is that socialist are not very skilled economically and Layton is an old dog who has lost his confidence because he can not learn a new trick.

You clearly don't know who Gary Doer is and thus should butt out of this conversation until you have something to bring to it.

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So a rapidly growing population has no effect on the availability of apartments? We should probably ask Calgary and Edmonton about that.

Why not? Look at the results:

http://www.fcpp.org/main/publication_detail.php?PubID=1244

You'll see in 2005 that Manitoba had the worst vacancy rate. It is now at crisis levels.

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So ending rent control will help the poor how exactly? I don't think you're being consistent here.

Manitoba is one of the last jurisdictions with rent control. Phasing it out will increase the amount of housing stock built.

Anyone with fiscal conservative knowledge knows this. I doubt very much that any other NDP government in Canada would introduce it. Why is still in Manitoba?

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Manitoba is one of the last jurisdictions with rent control. Phasing it out will increase the amount of housing stock built.

Possibly, but that doesn't translate into more housing that the poor can afford. Helping the poor isn't really a project of fiscal conservatives either.

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Reasonable landlords don't need rent control legislation - unreasonable ones do - and if you have any sense you would leave such a persons dwelling - and move to a grate...wait - I hear that grate sleeping has been deemed sexy by the prime ministers office.

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Possibly, but that doesn't translate into more housing that the poor can afford. Helping the poor isn't really a project of fiscal conservatives either.

Every economic study says that ending rent control does increase the amount of housing stock that the poor can afford.

If you don't believe me, look at what economists say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control#Arguments_against

Economists such as Paul Krugman have cited rent regulation as poor economics which, despite its good intentions, leads to the creation of less housing, raises prices, and increases urban blight.[41]

Krugman is a liberal economist who just won the Nobel prize.

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That is what I have been saying.

I am saying the NDP don't help the poor. The will spend $200 million on housing and not make a dent in the low vacancy rate. Their rent control policy is as successful as their tuition freeze. One strangled housing, the other has strangled the universities. The big difference is that the NDP are abandoning tuition freezes next year.

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Well, with 2 seats, the Liberals aren't going to help them either. When you are in government, there are many priorities and you have to balance them. You know that just as well as I do. The Manitoba NDP is still cleaning up the mess from 10 years ago and they can't afford to be everything to everyone.

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NDPers are now middle class liberals who don't even think of the poor anymore - other than parroting slogans...they are very similar to feminst leaders who are now in their late 50s - who are comfortable and living the good life - last thing on their mind are the poor struggling oppressed "sisters" _ times have changed folks --- we have moved ahead and left our concerns behind ---it's every one for themselves.

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Well, with 2 seats, the Liberals aren't going to help them either. When you are in government, there are many priorities and you have to balance them. You know that just as well as I do. The Manitoba NDP is still cleaning up the mess from 10 years ago and they can't afford to be everything to everyone.

Rent control is self inflicted. It has been around for decades and it has hurt Manitoba. The money spent on social housing is a drop in the bucket.

The Liberals with one piece of legislation have galvanized the poor advocacy groups and general supporters of the NDP as the original post shows.

At 10 years, the NDP is now starting to show its age with election financing scandals, investment collapses and fraiud and with ever lighter legislative agendas.

If rent control is the cats pajamas, tell me when is Nova Scotia going to get it. The answer is never.

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I think your loyalty to your chosen party may be blinding you a bit. These things that have come to light recently have no legs. Other than the ticket affair, no one cares....seriously. The NDP will undoubtedly lose an election down the road (maybe the next one if Doer quits), but it certainly won't be to the Liberals. If poor advocacy groups are going to throw their support behind the Liberals, they're quite foolish.

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I think your loyalty to your chosen party may be blinding you a bit. These things that have come to light recently have no legs. Other than the ticket affair, no one cares....seriously. The NDP will undoubtedly lose an election down the road (maybe the next one if Doer quits), but it certainly won't be to the Liberals. If poor advocacy groups are going to throw their support behind the Liberals, they're quite foolish.

I think your loyalty to Doer may be blinding you to the fact that the NDP have hurt the poor with their rent controls just as they hurt the universities with their tuition freeze.

I haven't said anything about poverty groups supporting the Liberals in an election. I just know that the NDP lose elections when they start offending their base just as they did with Pawley.

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Every party loses elections. The NDP will lose probably either the next one or the one after that. The Liberals won't be the benefactors....and don't forget that I have a Federal Liberal membership card in my wallet.

Just think about it this way. If Gary Doer loses, we get a Premier that none of us can get behind.

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Every party loses elections. The NDP will lose probably either the next one or the one after that. The Liberals won't be the benefactors....and don't forget that I have a Federal Liberal membership card in my wallet.

It is obvious you won't change your vote from NDP no matter what they do for fear that it will elect the Tories. Unfortunately, it lets the NDP do things like keep rent control which almost everyone says hurts the poor most of all in terms of rental stock and price.

I don't support either the Tories or the NDP. It is hard to vote for a party that did such a poor job on Crocus and let it sick into oblivion. I've lost money there and the NDP did terribly on oversight.

The amount of homeless have increased under the NDP and it is getting a little tiresome hearing that 10 years is not enough time to make a difference. Rentals are more difficult now than any time in the last ten years and the housing stock gets more expensive for the poor and less is available. And still all we get is shrugs from NDP supporters.

If rent control is so great, we will see it introduced in Nova Scotia.

Just think about it this way. If Gary Doer loses, we get a Premier that none of us can get behind.

If Doer loses, he might run federally for the Liberals as some newspapers were speculating last week. Not so out of the question when you see the long list of NDPers from across Canada who have joined the Liberals and run.

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The NDP isn't being allowed to get away with things....if they were doing a bad job, people would be holding them accountable. Gary Doer has done a great deal for this province. We are so much better of now than we were when he took power that it isn't even funny. The economy is better, healthcare is better, infrastructure is better, taxes are the same to lower....if Gary Doer hadn't done a good job I wouldn't support him. He has though, and even though there have been few mishaps, I can't ignore all of the good things that he's done for this province.

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He has though, and even though there have been few mishaps, I can't ignore all of the good things that he's done for this province.

To the extent that you dismiss good legislation that is supported by two other parties and most of the rest of the advocacy groups in the province? The NDP are running out of steam.

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Where do people get the idea that NDPers are do-gooders...? To stive for a utlitarian state complete with soviet style day care that teaches kids to "share" while he knows very well that the established rich never share or teach their kids to share...is a joke - and gayifying males and butching out females with indoctrinations that debase humanity - can hardly be called good.

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Where do people get the idea that NDPers are do-gooders...? To stive for a utlitarian state complete with soviet style day care that teaches kids to "share" while he knows very well that the established rich never share or teach their kids to share...is a joke - and gayifying males and butching out females with indoctrinations that debase humanity - can hardly be called good.

You have no idea who the Manitoba NDP are do you?

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Correct - explain quickly please - are they just using the title and are something else?

They are a centred populous party. They are socially NDP, but fiscally responsible. They have cut taxes and invested in Manitoba, paid down the debt over the last ten years, while increasing employment and investment. They are nothing like the Bob Rea NDP they believe you have to pay for what you spend and not go in debt. If you are looking for a party who promises everything and delivers nothing like the Bob Rea NDP you would be looking at the Liberals in Manitoba maybe that is why Rea is a Liberal now.

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