Relocation of border crossing considered

bush_cheney2004 · June 5, 2009

...The feds don't want to acknowledge the truth of the sovereignty of Indigenous Nations.

Correct....for years Canada has wanted things both ways. The courts will no longer cover for the Crown.

Start packing boys! :lol:

charter.rights · June 8, 2009

However, it is the ultimate authority when it comes to protecting it's boreders. Despite the fact that the reserve is sovereign, it still falls under the jurisdiction of the Indian Act and by extension, the Crown. These particular natives are North American citizens (though many others are Canadians), but the land they sit on belongs to both them and Canada as long as they have not decided to separate.

No it does not. We've been around this before. Akwesasne is not a reserve covered in the Indian Act.

charter.rights · June 8, 2009

The land didn't need to be vested in the Crown for the reserve to fall within Canadian territory. There is absolutely no evidence that the reserve is a separate country.

Simply prove your opinion. You can't because there is no proof.

Smallc · June 8, 2009

I have provided proof. You haven't. I have shown the section of the Indian Act that covers the reserve....and it is a reserve.

Jerry J. Fortin · June 8, 2009

If the First Nations own it let them worry about it. If Canada owns it then do what they have to do to keep it open, period.

scorpio · June 8, 2009

deleted.. I'm outta here, far too much racism and angry right wing men/women. Adios.

Edited June 8, 2009 by scorpio

charter.rights · June 9, 2009

I have provided proof. You haven't. I have shown the section of the Indian Act that covers the reserve....and it is a reserve.

No. You have only shown the Indian Act covers "reserves" not Akwesane, or any other Mohawk Territory specifically. Go down the 401 someday and you will find no reference to any Mohawk reserve. All the signs point to Akwesasne Mohawk Territory.

The duty for proof is in the Crown. No where have any Mohawk communities ever joined Canada. And I proved that southern Ontario is Six Nations land and still to this day is under their jurisdiction....Mitchell Map 1757. That put the onus back at you to provide proof it was ever ceded to the Crown or to Canada in accordance with the Royal Proclamation 1763.....There is no proof....

Smallc · June 9, 2009

It didn't have to be ceded to the Crown of Canada. As for whether or not it is a reserve, well, you better tell the news media that it's not...and the Government of Canada.

Jerry J. Fortin · June 9, 2009

No. You have only shown the Indian Act covers "reserves" not Akwesane, or any other Mohawk Territory specifically. Go down the 401 someday and you will find no reference to any Mohawk reserve. All the signs point to Akwesasne Mohawk Territory.
The duty for proof is in the Crown. No where have any Mohawk communities ever joined Canada. And I proved that southern Ontario is Six Nations land and still to this day is under their jurisdiction....Mitchell Map 1757. That put the onus back at you to provide proof it was ever ceded to the Crown or to Canada in accordance with the Royal Proclamation 1763.....There is no proof....

I think you are mistaken. The entire things is rooted in falsehood, the Mohawks sold that land to pay for things it needed a long time ago. It is well known that after the fact the tribe was displeased with its leader of the day, but that leader was legally empowered to make the sale. Hence the entire slur "Indian Giver" arises.

charter.rights · June 9, 2009

I think you are mistaken. The entire things is rooted in falsehood, the Mohawks sold that land to pay for things it needed a long time ago. It is well known that after the fact the tribe was displeased with its leader of the day, but that leader was legally empowered to make the sale. Hence the entire slur "Indian Giver" arises.

Nah that is just one of the many myths that get perpetuated by people too lazy to do the research.

The Government of Canada and the Crown already recognize Mohawk Sovereignty. That is why Six Nations lands claims, and discussion are treated differently. Unfortunately politicians can be as ignorant as the the rest of ordinary Canadians and need to be educated before they speak. Van Loan is just another dumb bulb indifferent to the truth.

The term "Indian Giver" actually comes from the idea of community (and not personal ownership) of tools and articles. People were caretakers of ~things~ and had the right to use them. However, if they had two of something the the spare one could be taken and held by someone else. Hence if you gave an Indian a new drum, and he already had one, you could take yours back and give it to someone else.

Your version is just another of those ignorant myths.

Jerry J. Fortin · June 9, 2009

Nah that is just one of the many myths that get perpetuated by people too lazy to do the research.
The Government of Canada and the Crown already recognize Mohawk Sovereignty. That is why Six Nations lands claims, and discussion are treated differently. Unfortunately politicians can be as ignorant as the the rest of ordinary Canadians and need to be educated before they speak. Van Loan is just another dumb bulb indifferent to the truth.

The term "Indian Giver" actually comes from the idea of community (and not personal ownership) of tools and articles. People were caretakers of ~things~ and had the right to use them. However, if they had two of something the the spare one could be taken and held by someone else. Hence if you gave an Indian a new drum, and he already had one, you could take yours back and give it to someone else.

Your version is just another of those ignorant myths.

One version from one side another a different one from another. Fair enough. Please provide documentation that the Crown or for that matter the Government of Canada recognizes Mohawk Sovereignty, I cannot seem to find anything on that at all. There is much about the Mohawk "claim" but nothing from the feds.