Federal Liberals optimistic heading into Quebec fundraiser

[Leafless]

Federal Liberals in Quebec believe they have the wind in their sails heading into a fundraising event in downtown Montreal on Thursday evening that will feature Leader Michael Ignatieff and three prominent members of the business community.

"My job as a federalist is to guarantee the survival and growth of the French (character) across the country," Ignatieff said.

http://www.canada.com/Life/Federal+Liberal...5917/story.html

How can a federal leader possibly be more biased than Mr. Ignatieff.

It certainly is strange Mr. Ignatieff would be so much in favour of possibly igniting further political strife across Canada relating to the bilingualism issue.

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[M.Dancer]

It certainly is strange Mr. Ignatieff would be so much in favour of possibly igniting further political strife across Canada relating to the bilingualism issue.

Non issue.

The average normal level headed non whack job Canadian coast to coast doesn't give bilingualism a second thought beyond helping their kids with their French Immersion home work.

[Leafless]

Non issue.

The average normal level headed non whack job Canadian coast to coast doesn't give bilingualism a second thought beyond helping their kids with their French Immersion home work.

And Quebecers do not have to worry about English immersion in Quebec because there are none.

It is a big issue. Ontario has no official language and is not an 'officially bilingual province' and French language policies and sign laws are being implemented without the consent of the residents of the province of Ontario, nor any affected cities.

One just has to look at what corrupt politicians and bilingual policies and sign laws did to Ottawa, Ontario, a city whose French population is only 15% and only 4.3% in all of the province of Ontario.

The 'French Language Services Act' in Ontario providing 215 services in the French language was corruptly initially implemented by the Bob Rae Liberal government without ever asking the consent of the residents of Ontario.

Regardless, this thread is about Mr. Ignatief and not bilingualism in general.

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And Quebecers do not have to worry about English immersion in Quebec because there are none.

Try again.

[waldo]

It certainly is strange Mr. Ignatieff would be so much in favour of possibly igniting further political strife across Canada relating to the bilingualism issue.

Regardless, this thread is about Mr. Ignatief and not bilingualism in general.

good to know... thought perhaps you were off on another one of your tirades about the inadequacies and inequities of bilingualism - I guess you couldn't help yourself

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Ignatieff believes in Canada it seems. French, English, Aboriginal, immigrant...we're all Canadians. That shouldn't cause him too much trouble.

[Leafless]

Try again.

Oh, okay there are a FEW schools in Quebec, but does not exclude that fact that they are culturally intolerant as in comparison to the ROC.

Since 2006, English is taught as a second language in French schools from Grade 1 onwards, and a few schools also offer English immersion programs for advanced students. English schools offer a wide range of programs that include French as a second language, French immersion, and fully bilingual programs that teach both English and French as first languages.

Under the Charter of the French Language, passed in 1977, all students must attend French-language public schools except:

children who have done most of their elementary or secondary studies in English elsewhere in Canada;

children whose father or mother did most of his or her elementary studies in English anywhere in Canada; (You must have proof of this, which means if you are coming from another province in Canada, you must get either your elementary transcripts and/or your high school transcripts to prove that one of the parents has attended an English school in Canada or your child will be rejected)

and/or

children of Canadian citizens (Canada Clause) whose brother or sister did or is doing his or her elementary or secondary studies in English anywhere in Canada; (proof of this will be needed if are coming from another province in Canada)

temporary residents of Quebec;

First Nation children;

who may attend publicly-funded English schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Quebec

In the ROC French immersion has been around since 1970 and is nothing new and French as a second language is offered in all schools in Ontario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Quebec

French immersion programs were introduced into Canadian schools in the 1970s to encourage bilingualism across the country.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-004-x/200406/6923-eng.htm

[M.Dancer]

Oh, okay there are a FEW schools in Quebec, but does not exclude that fact that they are culturally intolerant as in comparison to the ROC.

So would they be more or less culturally intolerant than you?

[Leafless]

Ignatieff believes in Canada it seems. French, English, Aboriginal, immigrant...we're all Canadians. That shouldn't cause him too much trouble.

Mr. Ignatieff should stop realize that French is already being adequately promoted and that his attention should be directed to and support the fact that Canada is an 'OFFICIALLY MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY'.

Relating to French on a federal level:

In addition to the symbolic designation of English and French as official languages, official bilingualism is generally understood to include any law or other measure which:

mandates that the federal government conduct its business in both official languages and provide government services in both languages;

encourages or mandates lower tiers of government (most notably the provinces and territories, but also some municipalities) to conduct themselves in both official languages and to provide services in both English and French rather than in just one or the other;

places obligations on private actors in Canadian society to provide access to goods or services in both official languages (such as the requirement that food products be labeled in both English and French);

provides support to non-government actors to encourage or promote the use or the status of one or the other of the two official languages. This includes grants and contributions to groups representing the English-speaking minority in Quebec and the French-speaking minorities in the other provinces to assist with the establishment of an infrastructure of cultural supports and services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingualism_in_Canada

For the federal government to intervene, relating to bilingualism in Canada, is only reinforcing the views of many English speaking Canadians that federal official languages in Canada is controlled by ONE GOVERNING BODY with a set of rules that makes the federal government a SUPREMACIST or RACIST government .

Edited June 3, 2009 by Leafless

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Oh, okay there are a FEW schools in Quebec, but does not exclude that fact that they are culturally intolerant as in comparison to the ROC.

There aren't that many French Immersion schools, but, there are many that teach ESL....just as the ROC does with French. Not everyone in ROC can go to Immersion.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Leafless, you may consider that Quebec is unique, the government accepts this as do most citizens. Let them speak their language and teach it to their children, what harm is there in that? English is spoken almost everywhere in Montreal, it is a very cosmopolitan city. Outside of Montreal, there is understandabley less spoken English, but those folks do not seem to mind.

If you want someone more biased than Iggy, support Harper.

[Leafless]

So would they be more or less culturally intolerant than you?

As well as you being personally insulting it seems that you cannot tolerate a difference of opinion.

[M.Dancer]

As well as you being personally insulting it seems that you cannot tolerate a difference of opinion.

I didn't realize the way I framed the question was too difficult for you.

So I will try again.

You are intolerant of non whites, french etc etc etc....

You claim the French are intolerant.

Are the French as intolerant as you?

Are the French more intolerant than you?

Are the French less intolerant than you?

This is important cause it sets a metric for how intolerant you see the French.

Edited June 3, 2009 by M.Dancer

[Leafless]

Leafless, you may consider that Quebec is unique, the government accepts this as do most citizens.

The only thing unique about Quebec is that the Quebec Act allows Quebec to retain their French language, Catholic religion and civil law for use IN the province of Quebec.

But in saying this, minority Quebec ignores the reality of the majority English culture that was freely developed utilizing civil liberties available to any Canadian citizen. Quebec's failure to linguistically assimilate while being generously subsidized by Canadian tax payers as a 'have not province' shows contempt and hostility towards the ROC and their de facto English language.

Let them speak their language and teach it to their children, what harm is there in that?

If their French Quebec society was SELF SUPPORTING, none.

But it is not self supporting and the result is linguistically punishing their children by hampering their personal success relating to English job opportunities in the ROC.

English is spoken almost everywhere in Montreal, it is a very cosmopolitan city. Outside of Montreal, there is understandably less spoken English, but those folks do not seem to mind.

Great, if that is the way they feel.

If you want someone more biased than Iggy, support Harper.

IMO Mr. Harper recognizes both offical languages in Canada but understands the volatile nature of promoting bilingualism and therefore maintains a low profile relating to that issue.

Mr. Harper does not go around the country making racist statements like Mr.Ignatieff does relating to bilingualism:

the ability to speak both official languages is " the essence of being Canadian".

[Leafless]

I didn't realize the way I framed the question was too difficult for you.

So I will try again.

You are intolerant of non whites, french etc etc etc....

You claim the French are intolerant.

Are the French as intolerant as you?

Are the French more intolerant than you?

Are the French less intolerant than you?

This is important cause it sets a metric for how intolerant you see the French.

I am opposed to Official Multiculturalism/bilingualism and incompatible massive non-White third world immigration.

It appears you fail to understand the problems caused by the failure to assimilate both culturally and linguistically.

It is also evident that you despise the success of the English culture and their language and their country.

[M.Dancer]

I am opposed to Official Multiculturalism/bilingualism and incompatible massive non-White third world immigration.

It appears you fail to understand the problems caused by the failure to assimilate both culturally and linguistically.

It is also evident that you despise the success of the English culture and their language and their country.

Are the questions still too difficult? I don't think I can dumb it down any more without hitting the substrata of the cretin world...let me try...

uhhh.....you no like, he no like. You no like more? He no like more? You he no like same too?

Pray tell, what is English Culture? Is that the culture of England? Oh..I'm sorry...that might be a trifle too strenuous for you as well...

[ToadBrother]

I am opposed to Official Multiculturalism/bilingualism and incompatible massive non-White third world immigration.

It appears you fail to understand the problems caused by the failure to assimilate both culturally and linguistically.

It is also evident that you despise the success of the English culture and their language and their country.

Translation: I don't like those colored folks. They talk funny. Bring me more white folks, 'cause I don't want our precious bodily fluids corrupted.

[Leafless]

Pray tell, what is English Culture? Is that the culture of England? Oh..I'm sorry...that might be a trifle too strenuous for you as well...

I am not certain that you live in Canada.

The English culture in Canada is basically everything the majority of Canadians do relating to their everyday existence in Canada.

[Leafless]

Translation: I don't like those colored folks. They talk funny. Bring me more white folks, 'cause I don't want our precious bodily fluids corrupted.

Intentional MASSIVE non-White immigration constitutes ETHNOCIDE.

[M.Dancer]

Intentional MASSIVE non-White immigration constitutes ETHNOCIDE.

citation please

[M.Dancer]

I am not certain that you live in Canada.

The English culture in Canada is basically everything the majority of Canadians do relating to their everyday existence in Canada.

What? Like breakfast? Work? Putting the kids to bed?

Who knew that it would be so different in French...

[Dave_ON]

I am not certain that you live in Canada.

The English culture in Canada is basically everything the majority of Canadians do relating to their everyday existence in Canada.

The problem with your argument is that is assumes a homogeneity of culture among English speakers that simply does not exist. Canada is a loose confederation of regions, where regionalism runs deeper than does nationalism. In fact the only time nationalism ever really comes up among Canadians is when we’re referring to how very “un-American” we are.

The cultures are vastly different from region to region. I don’t think you can safely say that someone from the Maritimes is culturally the same as someone from Alberta, or that Ontario and BC have anything in common other than their ability to grow pot. Then there’s Newfoundland which is almost its own country. Quebec is a just another region with its own distinct culture, just like every other region. Our differences in Canada outstrip our similarities by a country mile. It takes far more than sharing a common mother tongue to form a cultural consensus. Otherwise we’d all be flying old glory about now.

[Leafless]

citation please

Ethnocide is only a concept.

Ethnocide is a concept related to genocide. Primarily, the term, close to cultural genocide, is used to describe the destruction of a culture of a people, as opposed to the people themselves. It may involve a linguicide, phenomenons of acculturation, etc. Furthermore, by contrast with a genocide, an ethnocide is not necessarily intentional. However, unlike genocide, which has entered into international law, ethnocide remains primarily the province of ethnologists, who have not yet settled on a single cohesive meaning for the term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide

Maybe a better way to describe what is happening in Canada is 'the forced fractionation of the countries majority White, English speaking language and culture' by it's own treasonous government.

It is happening in Canada.

[Leafless]

What? Like breakfast? Work? Putting the kids to bed?

Who knew that it would be so different in French...

You admitted 'IT IS' linguistically different.

Thank you.