International bridge shut down

[Argus]

The average lifespan of an Iroquois citizen before contact was about 120 years old. They had much better hygene, less disease and far better physical fitness than our European ancestors did. In fact in Europe at the same time it was lucky for any of them to see 40 years old.

I don't even have to mock this. Everyone else is already rolling their eyes.

The government of Canada owes Six Nations more than $1 trillion dollars just for their unaccounted trust. Add to that the costs of lands and rents not paid for, it would break the bank of Canada just to pay off Six Nations. On top of all that all of BC is unceded and I would guess that $100 tillion is likely a nice round number the government owes BC natives. The $10 billion budget that INAC receives (and which 60% is spent in salaries and programs that never benefit First Nations, doesn't even put a dent into the interest we owe on those trusts, leases and unpaid occupations.

The only way you guys come up with these fantastical figures is you want payment based on what the land is worth now, because we're on it. Take all the Europeans away and the land would be worth - well, what's land worth in Zimbabwe these days anyway? Here kids, here's a shiny nickel. I'll take those five valleys over there on the left.

Give the natives a few bucks and that's all. Frankly, most Canadians used to sympathize with natives, but that's not the case any more. Due to native thuggery there's precious little sympathy for natives outside the likes of the NDP any more.

[charter.rights]

I assume that you have proof.

Of course I do.

You did know that John A McDonald was a blatant racist...right?

[Argus]

I assume that you have proof.

Of course he does! Oral histories!

[Smallc]

The Iroquois Confederacy have their own laws that are not subject to the laws of Canada and the Crown and the courts recognize it.

Show me where it says that.

[charter.rights]

I don't even have to mock this. Everyone else is already rolling their eyes.

The only way you guys come up with these fantastical figures is you want payment based on what the land is worth now, because we're on it. Take all the Europeans away and the land would be worth - well, what's land worth in Zimbabwe these days anyway? Here kids, here's a shiny nickel. I'll take those five valleys over there on the left.

Give the natives a few bucks and that's all. Frankly, most Canadians used to sympathize with natives, but that's not the case any more. Due to native thuggery there's precious little sympathy for natives outside the likes of the NDP any more.

Nope. The numbers are based on INAC's annual compounded interest paid on Indian moneys and trusts set out under an Order In Council for every year back to 1840, then estimated for the 60 years prior to that based on the principles used in former Supreme Court of Canada cases. The numbers are accurate.

There is lots of sympathy for native issues in Canada. People like you are a minority and pretty much unheard in the mainstream. That is why you have to work so hard at making up myths and lies in places like this. No one believes you so you have to grow the stories to make yourself feel better.

[Smallc]

36. Where lands have been set apart for the use and benefit of a band and legal title thereto is not vested in Her Majesty, this Act applies as though the lands were a reserve within the meaning of this Act.

R.S., c. I-6, s. 36.

[Machjo]

I don't even have to mock this. Everyone else is already rolling their eyes.

The only way you guys come up with these fantastical figures is you want payment based on what the land is worth now, because we're on it. Take all the Europeans away and the land would be worth - well, what's land worth in Zimbabwe these days anyway? Here kids, here's a shiny nickel. I'll take those five valleys over there on the left.

Give the natives a few bucks and that's all. Frankly, most Canadians used to sympathize with natives, but that's not the case any more. Due to native thuggery there's precious little sympathy for natives outside the likes of the NDP any more.

Native thuggery? Had that been true, the British would be speeking a North American language, not the other way around.

[Machjo]

This many years after...yes. We are doing our best to provide reasonable compensation for what was done. That said, I haven't taken anybody's land.

Excellent. So if I take your land by force, as long as I have a strong enough army behind me to keep it by force for at least a few generations, then my posterity gets to benefit from it and your posterity can suffer. Wow. To think we might have evolved somewhat.

[charter.rights]

Show me where it says that.

I am involved in a justice working group along with some Mohawk people in Ontario who are working together to get their people out of the courts and jails and into their own system of justice. While the transfer of people from one system to another does present some problems it follows a Treaty the Crown made 150 years ago in the Cartwright Treaty that provided we would return Six Nations people to their own communities along with our grievances and vice versa. The treaty protected British subjects from being subjected to Six Nations law and punishments.

There are a number of Superior Court judges Crown attorneys and constitutional lawyers who are behind this initiative, and the working group has an implementation strategy that we hope have in place in the next couple of months.

I'm sure you know how to use google. Look up the Great Law.

Otherwise the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that only laws of general application apply to natives and only where their own laws do not provide a remedy. I'm too tired to look up the SCofC rulings so that is something for you to do.

[charter.rights]

36. Where lands have been set apart for the use and benefit of a band and legal title thereto is not vested in Her Majesty, this Act applies as though the lands were a reserve within the meaning of this Act.

R.S., c. I-6, s. 36.

Mohawk lands are not "reserves" They are "territories" not surrendered and the Indian Act doe not apply.

[charter.rights]

Of course he does! Oral histories!

You do realize that according to the SCoC oral histories have more legitimacy than British written records. Do you know why?

[Smallc]

Mohawk lands are not "reserves" They are "territories" not surrendered and the Indian Act doe not apply.

It is a reserve.

[Smallc]

You do realize that according to the SCoC oral histories have more legitimacy than British written records. Do you know why?

You don't furnish any proof for completely outrageous statements.

[charter.rights]

It is a reserve.

Nope. Sovereign territories.

Mitchell Map 1757. Royal Proclamation 1763. Everything else is non-existent.

Try to prove that Six Nations ever surrendered Ontario south of the Ottawa River. You won't find it because it never happened. And I'll tell you the Crown can't do it either which is why we are spending many evenings trying to hammer our a deal with the Mohawks to return their people for their own justice. It would be easier if their were Canadians, or under reserve status but since they are not we have no choice but to deal with it up front in order to maintain the honour of the Crown. Our task BTW is mandated by the SCofC.

[charter.rights]

You don't furnish any proof for completely outrageous statements.

Maybe you should read some SCoC rulings. It is all there.

[Smallc]

And so you should have no trouble furnishing links.

[charter.rights]

And so you should have no trouble furnishing links.

I won't wast my time furnishing links when you wouldn't read them anyway. I cited my sources. You want more information, I suggest you go look them up.

[Machjo]

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/laws/jaystreaty.html

[Smallc]

I don't see anything in there that says that the reserve isn't Canadian territory.

[Machjo]

Forget this post.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Machjo

[Machjo]

I don't see anything in there that says that the reserve isn't Canadian territory.

I'll keep looking into it.

[Machjo]

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/Vol2/Toc.htm

[Smallc]

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Edited June 2, 2009 by Smallc

[Smallc]

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/Vol2/Toc.htm

Wrong country.

[Machjo]

I'll look it up tomorrow.