Oleg Bach Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 IF in the extreme and i would never do such a thing - BUT - if the state wants to steal the product of my sperm - I should....have the right to abort such product----in other words if I want to toss my infants off a bridge into the fridged roaring waters and kill the little bastards then it's my buisness -----having said that - and of course I would never do that - the state can F off...they do not own me - or product of my sperm - nor do they have any right what so ever to attempt to train me as an animal - I say - to hell with Rome - bring on you Pontius Pilate and let me take a chunk out of the second rate bureacrat...If I wanna be a Nazi - so be it - If I want to tell my kids that being gay is the the optimim existance - so be it ---- If I want to dislike a jerk - be it Christain, Jew, Muslim - secularist...so be it _ If you as a person or group want to act in a kind and civil manner - I will tell my kids to love you ----if you are a jerk - no love for you -----------------if you are good - then lots of love -----again the state does not own your flesh or product of you flesh -----Jeeeez even Christ resisted interlopers and vacarious intruders... Quote
Argus Posted June 25, 2009 Author Report Posted June 25, 2009 You forget, only white people can be "racist". For people of other cultures, if they hate those of others races/religions, it is just "part of their culture", which we must happily embrace. It seems so. I haven't heard any suggestion that Muslims who preach hatred of Jews - or who tell their kids that white girls are all whores - should be removed from their family homes because their parents are ignorant bigots, and somehow I don't see a bunch of lefties from family services even considering the option. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Oleg Bach Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 It seems so. I haven't heard any suggestion that Muslims who preach hatred of Jews - or who tell their kids that white girls are all whores - should be removed from their family homes because their parents are ignorant bigots, and somehow I don't see a bunch of lefties from family services even considering the option. Personally I know of a Muslim family with a gay son - a friend of my kids - he revealed that he is taught in his home to hate white Christians - that most of us are infidels that we should be destroyed or "bred out of existance" - yet we welcome these jerks into the national family - How come Family and Child services don't snatch Muslim kids? - wait ------I do remember being at a Jewish faciltity - they had snatched up a Muslim child and a black one...I guess buisness was slow or they were punishing a Muslim father for possible politcally incorrect remarks... Quote
lictor616 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 No one has brought this up yet but in Winnipeg, the Family Services people are in court this week trying to have the children of a racist couple taken away permanently. While the parents sound like a couple of real white trash losers the idea that the state can take their kids away because of their beliefs comes with a lot of troubling questions. I have little doubt the two kids would be better off in a nice, normal family environment than being raised by these two. I have little doubt kids born to any members of the Christian Scientists, or the Scientologists, or any other wierdo cult would be better off with others too. For that matter, kids born to loser criminals and welfare lifers would be better off with others, as well. Mom's a stripper? Take the kid away! Dad is a drunk! Take the kid away! Where exactly do we stop with this sort of thing? No one is suggesting the kids were beaten or molested, just that the parents aren't especially good parents. Oh, and they're racists. Okay. But if you can take kids away from racists because that environment isn't especially good for the kids, then what other environments can you take kids out of? Hmm, should someone look at taking away the Khadr's kids? What about the kids of criminals? Should we take them away? What if your parents are dedicated Communists? Does that count? If your parents support Hezbollah and have a picture of Osama bin Laden on their wall can we take their kids away? CBC I guarantee you if the family would have been black and the father part of the New Black Panther party or the Trinity Unity Church of Christ and taught that the "black race" is god and that white people are "the devil" there wouldn't have been a PEEP about any sort of "racism"... because as all of us know racism is the damnable wickedness that ONLY affect white people (because of their race)... Better yet ! imagine if the family would have been muslim fundamentalists! teaching to hate and kill all the Kuffar Races and that western civilization and europeans must be killed for allah! Why of course ! that's religious freedom! of course they can rear a child! Lewis Caroll might as well write this kind of stuff up... this is truly Alice in Wonderland nonsense to the 25th power on crack. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Sir Bandelot Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 The issues are the same whether its a white supremist or a muslim hating westerners. But the political problem was raised by jewish groups who seek to protect themselves from neo-nazis and holocast deniers, the Bnai Brith etc. who used their political leverage to create hate laws. I do not condemn them for doing so, just pointing out why it seems a a little one-sided. To my mind if it should be enforced, it ought to be straight across the board. Having this sort of a bias only inflames the anger of the white supremacists even more. On the other hand, I don't support the removal of children from their parents just because of having racist views. Its better to engage someone like Ernst Zundell in a public dialog, than it is to throw them in jail for expressing wrong ideas. Doing this only more fuel to the conspiracy theorists. Quote
lictor616 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) The issues are the same whether its a white supremist or a muslim hating westerners. But the political problem was raised by jewish groups who seek to protect themselves from neo-nazis and holocast deniers, the Bnai Brith etc. who used their political leverage to create hate laws. I do not condemn them for doing so, just pointing out why it seems a a little one-sided.To my mind if it should be enforced, it ought to be straight across the board. Having this sort of a bias only inflames the anger of the white supremacists even more. On the other hand, I don't support the removal of children from their parents just because of having racist views. Its better to engage someone like Ernst Zundell in a public dialog, than it is to throw them in jail for expressing wrong ideas. Doing this only more fuel to the conspiracy theorists. that's not entirely accurate, in the GTA and elsewhere, muslims can and DO pull their kids out of sensitivity classes, muslims are given the right to take their children out of classes designed to make kids have the "right" attitudes towards homosexuals and the like for instance... the expection to this is predictably along racial lines... ONLY Euro- so called "non-diverse" canadians have no choice in the matter. And judging by the rising tide of home grown terrorists in canada... certainly a majority of muslim families are given the right to instruct their children in such ways. http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1299 Jewish groups who want to protect themsleves from holocaust denial? Am I reading this correctly Jews want to protect themselves from people who refuse to accept a historical occurrence? That's a bit odd. Seeking to protect yourself from people who subscribe to alternative views on history... this has to be without precedent in the history of man... But anyways when non minorities do it... they get ejected from the country. When minorities do it... ho hum... no biggie... the double standard persists. Edited June 25, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
Mr. Whiteman Esq. Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 I have stayed out of this thread until now. I have mixed feelings on the issue, but I can now say that I have taken a stand against the actions of the government. I don't think the government should be allowed to remove the children of parents for any reason short of imminent danger. Should the children be in harms way due to the illegal actions of parents, then I will suggest the government should act in the safest interests of children. Safety is the only cause in my mind that would justify such an action as having the state remove the children. If this is really what they're concerned about then why aren't they going after Native and Asian racists as well? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 How about a judge that will release a black gang banger on bail - knowing full well that the young black man will kill other black men? That's nasty - it's kind of like a policy of indirect attrition ---where they slowly genocide a group using their own hands to do it...strange. Quote
Griz Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 The solution is simple--ship any immigrant of European/UK origin back overseas Quote
CAMP Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 I would love to have a cross Canada poll on this issue just to see where it lands. I believe this is just another erosion of our rights and freedoms as Canadians. Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
JB Globe Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 So you're suggesting the state seize about what, three, four hundred thousand Muslim kids? And do what with them? Why would the state seize three or four hundred thousand Muslim kids? Quote
lictor616 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) Why would the state seize three or four hundred thousand Muslim kids? Because on many key issues... Political Correctness, tolerance of homosexuality, beliefs in equality (gender, racial and otherwise) muslims are at odds with the orthodoxy of this country. Far more infact then simple racists... One can be "racist" (ie beleive that races are not to the tenth decimal equal in every aspect) and still hold PC views on homosexuals and Gender... Muslims are more often then not on the "wrong" side of every aspect of PC issues... yet they get a free ride because their skins aren't white... What he's saying is that if we were fair (which we aren't) we'd be be seizing the kids of muslims at a very high rate... Edited July 6, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Posted July 6, 2009 If this is really what they're concerned about then why aren't they going after Native and Asian racists as well? lol, well we know why don't we Mr. Whiteman... because they only care about WHITE racism... haven't you noticed "THE" double standard before? We're the new second class citizen in this accursed country... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
JB Globe Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 Because on many key issues... Political Correctness, tolerance of homosexuality, beliefs in equality (gender, racial and otherwise) Okay, but then you would have to seize many Jewish and Christian children as well. muslims are at odds with the orthodoxy of this country. I'm not sure what you mean by the "orthodoxy" of Canada. If you mean mainstream Canadian values (which at their most basic are good government, rule of law, justice, civil society) I completely disagree with your statement that Muslims in general are opposed to them. That has not been my personal experience growing up among Muslims, nor is there any statistical evidence to support such a statement. Quote
ToadBrother Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 Okay, but then you would have to seize many Jewish and Christian children as well.I'm not sure what you mean by the "orthodoxy" of Canada. If you mean mainstream Canadian values (which at their most basic are good government, rule of law, justice, civil society) I completely disagree with your statement that Muslims in general are opposed to them. That has not been my personal experience growing up among Muslims, nor is there any statistical evidence to support such a statement. He's referring to how Canada felt fifty years ago. He's a racist, it's the only Canada he can understand. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 8, 2009 Report Posted July 8, 2009 He's referring to how Canada felt fifty years ago. He's a racist, it's the only Canada he can understand. I would hazard to guess Canada in 1959 was even les racist than it is now Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
JB Globe Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 I would hazard to guess Canada in 1959 was even les racist than it is now Really? Why? Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Posted July 9, 2009 Really? Why? It was a more homogenous society. People were afraid of the odd person being different. I'm thinking of Montreal in the 1940s and 1950's. Jackie Robinson was no big deal (actually he was....the fans loved him while in the US he was booed). American jazz performers loved coming to montreal...they could stay at the Queen E.... Rockhead's Paradise...blacks and white drinking together, enjoying the same music and venue. Growing up in the 1960s in montreal, the only difference I was aware of till I was in high school was the divide between french and english. Blacks were English, Japanese were English... It was till I was 14 that I encountered racism...but that was in Detroit. We were playing pick up ball when everyone started yelling KIKES! KIKES! and I looked up thinking they were saying kites....all the kids picked up stones and started throwing them at these kids riding by the park on bikes... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
CANADIEN Posted July 10, 2009 Report Posted July 10, 2009 We should not forget that Blacks being barred from restaurants, or quotas on Jewish students in universities still existed in this country until well in the 1960's. Little known fact, but the last segregated shcool in Ontario closed in 1965... lictor thinks of that as a golden age, toooooo bad... for thim. Quote
JB Globe Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 It was a more homogenous society. People were afraid of the odd person being different.I'm thinking of Montreal in the 1940s and 1950's. Jackie Robinson was no big deal (actually he was....the fans loved him while in the US he was booed). American jazz performers loved coming to montreal...they could stay at the Queen E.... Rockhead's Paradise...blacks and white drinking together, enjoying the same music and venue. Growing up in the 1960s in montreal, the only difference I was aware of till I was in high school was the divide between french and english. Blacks were English, Japanese were English... It was till I was 14 that I encountered racism...but that was in Detroit. We were playing pick up ball when everyone started yelling KIKES! KIKES! and I looked up thinking they were saying kites....all the kids picked up stones and started throwing them at these kids riding by the park on bikes... I admit I don't know much about Montreal's history in terms of racism, but I can tell you that Toronto was definitely more racist in the past than it is now. The Christie Pits riots and the actions of the Swastik Club in public parks being a prime example. Back then racists focused on what was considered the "most other" in society: religiously it was Jews, ethnically it was Southern Europeans. Their focus shifted as "more different" groups started to immigrate from South Asia and the Caribbean. This continued right up until the 70's, when police bowed to public pressure finally started seriously prosecuting a lot of the crimes committed against minorities, such as swarmings on the subway and White Nationalist groups promoting violence against minorities. Quote
Argus Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Posted July 14, 2009 I'm not sure what you mean by the "orthodoxy" of Canada. If you mean mainstream Canadian values (which at their most basic are good government, rule of law, justice, civil society) I completely disagree with your statement that Muslims in general are opposed to them. The kids weren't seized because the parents didn't believe in "rule of law, justice and a civil society". They were siezed because their parents taught them that others were inferior to them. From what I've seen and read that attutide is fairly widespread among most Muslim families in Canada. They appear to teach their children that they are morally superior to others (hugely so) and teach a lot of hate about Jews. In fact, I've never met a Muslim - and I've met many - who didn't at the very least, actively distrust Jews of any sort. Hell, the Imam of Ottawa denied and continues to deny that Muslims blew up the World Trade Centre. That was Joooooooos.Irshad Manji relates how the Muslim school she attended taught the children never to associate with non-Muslims, because they were evil, especially Jews. Has anyone ever suggested investivating that school? Of course not. We've heard rumors and seen cases since then, rarely coming into the light, that other Muslim schools in Canada have a similar mentality. Is anyone going to close them down? Of course not. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Posted July 14, 2009 Really? Why? Familiarity breeds contempt. There isn't so much anti-Black racism out west, cause there aren't nearly as many Blacks there. There isn't much ant-Native racism in Ontario because most Ontarions don't encounter natives. You won't find a lot of racism towards Asians in Atlantic Canada, but there's plenty in BC. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
JB Globe Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 The kids weren't seized because the parents didn't believe in "rule of law, justice and a civil society". They were siezed because their parents taught them that others were inferior to them. Actually, they were seized because their parents taught them that it was okay to kill people that weren't white, among other criteria such as terrible sanitation, bad nutrition, etc. From what I've seen and read that attutide is fairly widespread among most Muslim families in Canada. From what I've seen, read, and experienced directly first-hand for 15 years that attitude is about as widespread as it is in my own Jewish community. In fact, I've never met a Muslim - and I've met many - who didn't at the very least, actively distrust Jews of any sort. Well, actually being Jewish, and visiting mosques, Muslim weddings, etc - that has not been my experience at all. I've definitely met Muslims who are somewhat hostile towards Jews, just like I've met Jews who are hostile towards Muslims. You know why? Israel-Palestine. Subtract that deeply polarizing conflict and there would be as much tension between Muslims and Jews as there is between Christians and Jews. I explained this more in-depth a few months ago. Hell, the Imam of Ottawa denied and continues to deny that Muslims blew up the World Trade Centre. That was Joooooooos.Irshad Manji relates how the Muslim school she attended taught the children never to associate with non-Muslims, because they were evil, especially Jews. Has anyone ever suggested investivating that school? Of course not. We've heard rumors and seen cases since then, rarely coming into the light, that other Muslim schools in Canada have a similar mentality. Is anyone going to close them down? Of course not. I'll agree to investigating Muslim schools for inciting ethnic hatred when the same is done at Jewish Day Schools that teach that Muslims are barbarians. Quote
JB Globe Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 Familiarity breeds contempt. There isn't so much anti-Black racism out west, cause there aren't nearly as many Blacks there. There isn't much ant-Native racism in Ontario because most Ontarions don't encounter natives. You won't find a lot of racism towards Asians in Atlantic Canada, but there's plenty in BC. Then Toronto should be rife with anti-Hindu sentiment . . . But it isn't . . . Quote
lictor616 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Then Toronto should be rife with anti-Hindu sentiment . . . But it isn't . . . are you kidding?!!?! the whole "brown town" that everyone else refers to comptentuously? Edited July 14, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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