Another Tory

Topaz · May 29, 2009

Question Period today, young Parl. Sec to the PM, trying to be smart mouth like he always does said something that he shouldn't have said. When he said it, I was very surprised he used that term, was he young and foolish or just dumb and ignorant? http://www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media-re...nsive-statement

Oleg Bach · May 29, 2009

Question Period today, young Parl. Sec to the PM, trying to be smart mouth like he always does said something that he shouldn't have said. When he said it, I was very surprised he used that term, was he young and foolish or just dumb and ignorant? http://www.liberal.ca/en/newsroom/media-re...nsive-statement

Any ignorant person that ignores what is intelligent and good and goes off to be an idiot - does it though choice - ignorance - does not mean stupid - it means - mean spirited because you are to lazy to think and take the high road.

Topaz · May 29, 2009

Any ignorant person that ignores what is intelligent and good and goes off to be an idiot - does it though choice - ignorance - does not mean stupid - it means - mean spirited because you are to lazy to think and take the high road.

That does sound like some of the Tories!

Oleg Bach · May 29, 2009

That does sound like some of the Tories!

They are not really Torys - there grand fathers might have been real conservatives..and they might just be riding on the coat tails of history - without creating any of their own.

Smallc · May 29, 2009

Its not the first time that the Parliamentary Secretary has made racist remarks. Perhaps the Prime Minster should use better judgments in his appointments.

capricorn · May 30, 2009

When he said it, I was very surprised he used that term, was he young and foolish or just dumb and ignorant?

Well I know that some not so young, high profile individuals have used the expression "tar baby" to make a point. So what remains are the dumb and ignorant categories. You must now contemplate whether by your measure they fall into those categories.

“Nobody is saying you toss over your U.S. relations. Of course you don’t. But it doesn’t mean to say you have to become slavishly connected like some kind of tar baby with them.” PMO Citation: Lloyd Axworthy, “Canada's new leader to improve U.S. ties,” Detroit Free Press, Thursday, December 11, 2003.

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

“At this stage, the McTeague bill looks more like a Liberal tar baby than a party brainchild. (Toronto Star columnist Chantal Hebert)

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

“Marois’s effort to shake off the referendum tar baby is good news…” (Toronto Star March 7, 2008, editorial entitled "Cynical PQ bid to rebrand party)

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

“The nasty legal squabble over who owns the cash-strapped Phoenix Coyotes and whether they can relocate to Hamilton is hardly the first such tar baby the NHL has dealt with, and it won’t be the last.” (John Mackinnon, Edmonton Journal, May 18, 2009).

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

“It’s a Tory/Liberal tar baby and I’ve lost faith that they can do anything but keep changing the minister and pretend everything’s under control.” (Ralph Surette, Halifax Chronicle Herald, February 14, 2009).

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

“Along the way, Parti Québécois leader Pauline Marois has got herself in trouble with the usual suspects as she fumbles with the language tar baby and prepares for one of those gawdawful national council meetings the PQ caribous use to exasperate and humiliate the unfortunate chief of the moment.” (Norman Webster, Montreal Gazette, February 17, 2008).

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

“Same-sex marriage has generally been treated like a political tar baby over the past few years, with most parties reluctant to whip up highly sensitive arguments touching on religion and deeply rooted social values.” (The Hamilton Spectator, Friday, December 10, 2004).

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

Add to this list of offenders David Akin and Stephen Taylor who refer to "tar baby" numerous times in their blogs to make their point.

Mr. Pierre Poilievre: If anybody is offended because of the way that someone else might have used the term, I can assure the member that was not my intention and never would be.
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The Speaker: The matter has been dealt with and I do not believe it is necessary at this point for further interventions from the chair.

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204246.html

Aw shucks. The Speaker didn't call out Poilievre for using the expression "tar baby" in the House.

Bryan · May 30, 2009

Much ado about nothing. It's crystal clear what Poilievre meant. Perhaps the Liberals who are pretending to be upset here need to consult a dictionary.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tar%20baby

This term is in common usage, ESPECIALLY in politics (even by Liberals) to reference a sticky situation that you can't get free from.

I can just imagine Liberals losing it if they hear the word "niggardly" too. Heck, lets use "niggardly", "nappy", and "tar baby" in the same sentence and watch their heads explode.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Bryan

BubberMiley · May 30, 2009

Aw shucks. The Speaker didn't call out Poilievre for using the expression "tar baby" in the House.

That's probably because you don't know what "tar baby" means.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1221764,00.html

bjre · May 30, 2009

Those politicians are good at nothing but blame others.

It seems that none of the parties willing to focus on the solutions of the economy issues.

Any one of them should feel no difficulty if need presenting a dissertation about the Art of Blaming Others and Attacking Others.

They just want public to forget their inability of solving economy problems.

They just stay there and spent taxes to blame everyday.

Did not see anyone now can be compare with Chretien.

Argus · May 30, 2009

Its not the first time that the Parliamentary Secretary has made racist remarks. Perhaps the Prime Minster should use better judgments in his appointments.

Smallc's definition of the term "racist" of course, depends entirely on who utters what. If a Liberal, NDP or BQ says something that's perfectly okay. If a Tory says it, well, of course it's racist.

It really is as clear as that.

Argus · May 30, 2009

Well I know that some not so young, high profile individuals have used the expression "tar baby" to make a point. So what remains are the dumb and ignorant categories. You must now contemplate whether by your measure they fall into those categories.
http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/05/he-sai...y-who-else-did/

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204194.html

Add to this list of offenders David Akin and Stephen Taylor who refer to "tar baby" numerous times in their blogs to make their point.

http://davidakin.blogware.com/blog/_archiv...29/4204246.html

Aw shucks. The Speaker didn't call out Poilievre for using the expression "tar baby" in the House.

Yeah, but this is different. This is a Tory. There are entirely different standards involved, y'know.

Smallc · May 30, 2009

It really is as clear as that.

Racist language is racist language. I seem to remember this same Parl. Sec. making comments that the PM was not too happy about on the same day as the residential school apology. Racism is wrong no matter who it's from.

Topaz · May 30, 2009

Its not the first time that the Parliamentary Secretary has made racist remarks. Perhaps the Prime Minster should use better judgments in his appointments.

I just wonder if the PM is looking at him as a young Stephen Harper, Pierre is only 28 or 29, maybe he looks at him as son?

Topaz · May 30, 2009

Smallc's definition of the term "racist" of course, depends entirely on who utters what. If a Liberal, NDP or BQ says something that's perfectly okay. If a Tory says it, well, of course it's racist.
It really is as clear as that.

That's NOT true. Most of the Tories are under the age of 40 and so generationX kicks in and there you have a generation, that says what they think and does what they want! Alot of them are inexperience as far as working for government and they need to be taught how to act and speak as a memeber of parliament! Pierre is only 28 or 29 and comes off as a smart mouth I know everything and you don't MP! He may be a nice guy but in question period he's not!

capricorn · May 30, 2009

That's probably because you don't know what "tar baby" means.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1221764,00.html

What does the Speaker's ruling have to do with my understanding of the term?

Poilievre was not pointing or referring to a Black individual in his comments. What I find most interesting is that in an exchange where the matter of carbon tax was raised, the racial connotation of "tar baby" immediately sprang into the minds of some Liberals. They wasted no time offering up Marlene Jennings to further vent their outrage.

Later on Friday, Liberal MP Marlene Jennings, who is black, decried the term and demanded an apology.
"As a black child growing up, I was called all sorts of pejorative names based on the color of my skin, including the 'n-word' and 'tar baby' -- and believe me, it was hurtful," said Jennings.

"I am offended by Mr. Poilievre's insensitive remarks --and I know leaders in the black community across Canada feel the same way."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0529?hub=Canada

Getting to the bottom of their reaction could keep a team of psychiatrists busy for decades.

capricorn · May 30, 2009

Racism is wrong no matter who it's from.

Yes, it is. But I get the feeling that Conservative racism is waaaaayyyyy more racist than Liberal racism. It's just the way it is, eh?

jdobbin · May 30, 2009

Aw shucks. The Speaker didn't call out Poilievre for using the expression "tar baby" in the House.

I didn't think the Speaker would ask for an apology. Poilievre probably just had a frog in his throat.

Smallc · May 30, 2009

Yes, it is. But I get the feeling that Conservative racism is waaaaayyyyy more racist than Liberal racism. It's just the way it is, eh?

No, it isn't. It seems though that more social conservatives are racist. Not all....but more than other groups. And that includes social conservatives from many different groups.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Smallc

capricorn · May 30, 2009

Good thing, cause the Speaker would probably have a frog UP his throat.

Topaz · May 30, 2009

Wondering about the youngest MP bio. I went searching and found some very interesting facts about him and the the close Tories friends within the party. BTW, did you know his girlfriend is a PM advisor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poilievre

capricorn · May 30, 2009

BTW, did you know his girlfriend is a PM advisor?

Land sakes alive!!

Argus · May 30, 2009

Racist language is racist language. I seem to remember this same Parl. Sec. making comments that the PM was not too happy about on the same day as the residential school apology. Racism is wrong no matter who it's from.

You don't even know what racism is. It's just a term you use to throw at conservatives.