Will Ruby Dhalla Survive this Political Scandal?

jdobbin · May 18, 2009

Exactly. Not taught at any real medical college. Not a real doctor.

I think if you write a note to Dr. James Lunney, a Conservative MP, be sure to tell him not to use the term doctor in his name.

Bryan · May 18, 2009

I think if you write a note to Dr. James Lunney, a Conservative MP, be sure to tell him not to use the term doctor in his name.

If I ever meet him, and he tries to refer to himself as "doctor" Lunney in my presence, I certainly would.

Bryan · May 18, 2009

Like I said, ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance, is anyone thinking a chiro is a doctor.

Keepitsimple · May 18, 2009

My chiropractors office has the title doctor in front of the name of each chiropractor working there. It is not at all misleading and to say so is simply untrue.

As I said, most non-medical "Doctors" have a sense of humility and only use their titles within the spectrum of their professional community. A chiropractor's office is a proper place to display the designation. If you can't see the difference between a Chiropractor's "Doctor" designation and a medical doctor.....and how the use of the term can be misleading without qualification...then there's little hope for you.

jdobbin · May 18, 2009

If I ever meet him, and he tries to refer to himself as "doctor" Lunney in my presence, I certainly would.

He does right on his MP website.

jdobbin · May 18, 2009

As I said, most non-medical "Doctors" have a sense of humility and only use their titles within the spectrum of their professional community.

Dhalla seems to be the aim of this particular offensive. Why not go after James Lunney, A Conservative MP, who ran under Dr. Lunney?

Edited May 18, 2009 by jdobbin

Smallc · May 18, 2009

As I said, most non-medical "Doctors" have a sense of humility and only use their titles within the spectrum of their professional community. A chiropractor's office is a proper place to display the designation. If you can't see the difference between a Chiropractor's "Doctor" designation and a medical doctor.....and how the use of the term can be misleading without qualification...then there's little hope for you.

Their proper title is doctor of chiropractic and so they can use the title Dr. It would only be misleading if she were to try to pass herself off as an MD...or a PhD. I don't see her trying to do that.

trooper · May 18, 2009

Something is fishy here...

Of all the newspapers... The Toronto Star does this story.

Not only that, they make it a front-page issue several times.

Then, you have G&M etc. slightly maintaining a positive side towards Dhalla (innocent until proven guilty mantra)

Something doesn't add up.

My thinking is Dhalla pissed off someone very influential in the Canadian political spectrum/media Or there's some sort of blackmail here.

She obviously doesn't have a good reputation among colleagues for being too "demanding and ambitious"

If this is the case, she's fried. Not many liberals have come to her rescue in this issue as well making me believe someone powerful is behind this. Or, The Toronto Star is just a pro-liberal newspaper that also likes to see a non-white liberal go down because there are many liberal supporters who like to see her go down. Maybe it's like guilty pleasure they get from this whole ordeal.

Shameful really. I have no problem if she's convicted if guilty, but the way the media and political parties are killing her here even that Quebec MP who forgot war briefing papers at his hot biker gang girlfriend's house didn't have to face this treatment.

Edited May 18, 2009 by trooper

Keepitsimple · May 19, 2009

Dhalla seems to be the aim of this particular offensive. Why not go after James Lunney, A Conservative MP, who ran under Dr. Lunney?

I would have exactly the same complaint if it was used regularly. If it is....I don't like it.

Keepitsimple · May 19, 2009

Something is fishy here...
Of all the newspapers... The Toronto Star does this story.

Not only that, they make it a front-page issue several times.

Then, you have G&M etc. slightly maintaining a positive side towards Dhalla (innocent until proven guilty mantra)

Something doesn't add up.

My thinking is Dhalla pissed off someone very influential in the Canadian political spectrum/media Or there's some sort of blackmail here.

She obviously doesn't have a good reputation among colleagues for being too "demanding and ambitious"

If this is the case, she's fried. Not many liberals have come to her rescue in this issue as well making me believe someone powerful is behind this. Or, The Toronto Star is just a pro-liberal newspaper that also likes to see a non-white liberal go down because there are many liberal supporters who like to see her go down. Maybe it's like guilty pleasure they get from this whole ordeal.

Shameful really. I have no problem if she's convicted if guilty, but the way the media and political parties are killing her here even that Quebec MP who forgot war briefing papers at his hot biker gang girlfriend's house didn't have to face this treatment.

I found it funny as well.....but I think The Star was following the general nanny discrimination issues even before the Dhalla situation......so maybe it just played into their storyline. The Star had run stories about nannies over the past month or two.....the Province said it was a Federal issue but then it became clear that the agencies and recruitment was a Provincial Labour issue that Manitoba had some success in fixing.....so Ontario has some legislation pending and has stopped beating up the Feds to some degree. The Star was following all this so as I said, maybe the Dhalla story was just too juicy to pass up. I must admit that I was flabbergasted that they would pick on a Liberal with such gusto but that's all I can think of.

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

I would have exactly the same complaint if it was used regularly. If it is....I don't like it.

There it is:

http://www.jameslunneymp.ca/

Dr. James Lunney has been the Member of Parliament for Nanaimo-Alberni since November 2000.

Bio:

James was born and raised in Winnipeg; he obtained a Bachelor of Science degree from the University of Manitoba (1972) and a Doctor of Chiropractic from the Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College (Toronto - 1976).

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

I also forgot about Gary Goodyear.

http://www.garygoodyear.com/EN/about_gary/

Dr. Goodyear attended the University of Waterloo, specializing in kinesiology and psychology, before graduating from Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College. He worked his way through university as a meat packer, labourer and janitor.

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

And let's not forget about Colin Carrie.

http://www.colincarriemp.ca/docs/Biographi...%20Feb%2006.pdf

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

Let's not forget that prominent Conservatives have argued that it is okay to use Dr. for chiropractor.

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/cat_people.html

James Lunney is a Conservative Party MP from Nanaimo-Alberni in British Columbia. Lunney is currently facing one of the silliest and petty legal challenges that I've ever seen.

Oleg Bach · May 19, 2009

Ruby must learn that this is Canada - and we do not have a cast system - or ten thousand pairs of shoes to be polished...she sort of reminds me of the hot high maintenance chick you meet in the bar - that you want to sleep with and then dump because she is unreasonable and arrogant.

Oleg Bach · May 19, 2009

Oh and also - if we can have a politician like Belinda Stronach who's retorts aways consisted of "I'm not comfortable with that" - and nothing else than we can have Ruby partake also - maybe she can cross the floor - and do a belly dance along the way ----------That is so so sexist - sorry -I don't know what over took me for a moment... :lol:

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

Ruby must learn that this is Canada - and we do not have a cast system - or ten thousand pairs of shoes to be polished...she sort of reminds me of the hot high maintenance chick you meet in the bar - that you want to sleep with and then dump because she is unreasonable and arrogant.

You must really despise women.

Keepitsimple · May 19, 2009

I also forgot about Gary Goodyear.
http://www.garygoodyear.com/EN/about_gary/

Dobbin....like I said, I don't like anyone going overboard with continually referring to themselves as Doctors. Lunney has "Dr" as his primary title on his website - not enough humility for my liking although it's qualified in his Bio as a Doctor of Chiropractry. Goodyear on the other hand does it properly and doesn't use the "Dr." designation in his title on the website. Nobody really cares what I think - it's just my opinion that Chiropractors should be humble about their use of the Doctor title......and I think most of them are. To be clear, it's always perfectly acceptable to state that one is a Doctor of Chiropractry as many times and wherever one likes....and of that there should be nothing but pride.

Good digging Dobbin.

Edited May 19, 2009 by Keepitsimple

Oleg Bach · May 19, 2009

Joint twisters and back crackers are not doctors...Ruby is as much a Dr. as I am - and as much of a political as Belinda. Belinda did not even finish high school and Ruby could not cut it in the mainstream entertainment industry..both are losers - why do we put these people in positions of authority - to allow them authorship of our future is a mistake.

Bryan · May 19, 2009

Let's not forget that prominent Conservatives have argued that it is okay to use Dr. for chiropractor.
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/cat_people.html

A chiropractor is not a doctor, no matter what party he/she belongs to.

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

A chiropractor is not a doctor, no matter what party he/she belongs to.

I don't think they have ever claimed to be a medical doctor.

The correct term is Physician.

Doctor is really a latin word for teacher. The first doctors were not physicians.

Today, a doctorate can be a professional or an academic endeavoor. The medical community has no particular lock on the word doctor although it has legal protections from people using the term doctor of medicine.

I have had professors who went by the term doctor as well as church ministers. It was no more a conceit than physicians using the term. To me, it meant teacher.

I have been surprised by the vehemence of people getting angry at Ruby Dhalla using the word doctor. There are three Conservative MPs who go by the name doctor, all of who use the term in their websites. I have not seen anger directed towards them over this so I suspect this is because it is Ruby Dhalla and not because of the word doctor.

This is more of a political vendetta than something over word usage.

It seems to me that people arguing that the use of doctor for academic and theological education should be scrapped because the medical community should have a lock on the word. Are you not conservatives? This defies the ancient use of the word for fields outside of medicine!

Edited May 19, 2009 by jdobbin

Keepitsimple · May 19, 2009

Let's not forget that prominent Conservatives have argued that it is okay to use Dr. for chiropractor.
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/cat_people.html

But that's the whole point Dobbin......and that's why there's contentiousness about the term. It can be misleading if not used in the right context. The portion of this thread devoted to "Dr. Dhalla" is precisely because the term Doctor has been used continuously and mostly without context......and I would never have even guessed that Gary Goodyear was a Doctor of Chiropractry if you hadn't brought it to my attention - and he's been on TV and in the papers numerous times. Although Stephen Taylor (admittedly a Conservative) finds it silly, there is no denying that even the B.C. Chiropractor's Act found it necessary to carefully differentiate between a Medical doctor and a Chiropractor.

Section 20 of the B.C. Chiropractors Act
20 (1) A chiropractor registered under this Act, who holds the academic qualification of Doctor of Chiropractic granted by a college of chiropractic for a course of studies accepted by the board as qualification for registration under this Act, may display or make use of the title "doctor" or the abbreviation "Dr.", but only as "Doctor of Chiropractic", "Dr. of Chiropractic", "Chiropractic Doctor" or "Chiropractic Dr.".

(2) Despite subsection (1), a chiropractor must not use the title "doctor" or the abbreviation "Dr." in such a way as to suggest an occupation relating to the treatment of human ailments, other than as permitted under this Act.

(3) On application from a chiropractor registered on or before January 1, 1984 to practise in British Columbia, the board may grant to that chiropractor the right to use the title "doctor" or the abbreviation "Dr." as set out in subsection (1), if the board is satisfied that the academic qualification of the chiropractor is the equivalent of the academic program leading to the degree of Doctor of Chiropractic as granted in Canada.

Paragraph 1 tells us that Lunney is permitted to use the abbreviation "Dr." or "doctor" but only within the following titles "Doctor of Chiropractic", "Dr. of Chiropractic", "Chiropractic Doctor" or "Chiropractic Dr."

Edited May 19, 2009 by Keepitsimple

madmax · May 19, 2009

With More allegations of abuse coming in and the fact that Ruby is going to have a very difficult time separating herself from the rest of her family.

Terminating Pregnant womens jobs doesn't help your cause.

jdobbin · May 19, 2009

But that's the whole point Dobbin......and that's why there's contentiousness about the term. It can be misleading if not used in the right context.

I've seen no indication that Dhalla doesn't use doctor in the context of chiropractor. You believe she has been trying to come off as a medical doctor?

I have seen dentists runs for office that ran using the word doctor.

The word doctor is not a lock for just the medical profession. It never was.

The portion of this thread devoted to "Dr. Dhalla" is precisely because the term Doctor has been used continuously and mostly without context

Dhall has never claimed to be a physician. She lists her profession as chiropractor.

Are you suggesting that anyone using the word doctor in any conversation and written word has to say: Dr. Joe Smith, chiropractor or Phd or dentist just because doctors say it is confusing?

......and I would never have even guessed that Gary Goodyear was a Doctor of Chiropractry if you hadn't brought it to my attention - and he's been on TV and in the papers numerous times. Although Stephen Taylor (admittedly a Conservative) finds it silly, there is no denying that even the B.C. Chiropractor's Act found it necessary to carefully differentiate between a Medical doctor and a Chiropractor.

And they found that is was okay for a chiropractor to call themselves a doctor as long as it was clear they were a chiropractor.

I have seen no evidence that Dhalla is trying to indicate that she is a medical doctor.