tango Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 I don't understand your willingness to accomodate piracy. It's of a piece with supporters of the Palestinians. Supporters of justice for people regardless of race, creed, etc. Why is that such a difficult concept for some right-wing people? And why do some seem to support only the (al)mighty (dollar)? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
wulf42 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) I don't understand your willingness to accomodate piracy. It's of a piece with supporters of the Palestinians. I agree,.....it's appalling the support given to terrorists on here...but hey it's a free country,..sigh... i will never understand ... but Countries such as Russia and others that are sending warships are saying they will start attacking Pirate mother ships and slaughtering these vermin pirates, i would show no mercy to these animals......the U.S. did a great job taking out those vermin keep it up!!! Edited April 17, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
benny Posted April 17, 2009 Report Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) I don't understand your willingness to accomodate piracy. It's of a piece with supporters of the Palestinians. Take Robin Hood, he was a cruel pirate before becoming a beloved mythic figure. Edited April 17, 2009 by benny Quote
jbg Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Supporters of justice for people regardless of race, creed, etc. Why is that such a difficult concept for some right-wing people? And why do some seem to support only the (al)mighty (dollar)? The Palestinians and the pirates may have many attributes, but just? Surely you jest. I am not a "right-wing" person either. I am a Democrat in the U.S. who most likely would be N.D.P. in Canada. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
wulf42 Posted April 18, 2009 Author Report Posted April 18, 2009 More success against these vermin.....................the international community needs to hit these animals hard and without mercy! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8005730.stm Quote
benny Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Canada soon will offer an alternative route all year round with the opening of the Northwest Passage. Quote
ironstone Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Mentioning the pirates and Robin Hood in the same sentence is a stretch.Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor according to the story.These pirates rake in millions of dollars in ransom and keep some of it while investing the rest in more weapons to expand their operations. I don't know if there is a perfect solution,but right now the best one looks like military force,preferably by all nations affected by the piracy.The reaction of the Somalians after the Americans did the right thing shows just how dangerous this situation has become.Apparenly a sense of entitlement is a big part of Somali culture(especially males,according to a Somali man in Ottawa that ran some kind of drop-in centre for Somalis)and their threats seem to prove this.It is sad that the ship owners are refusing to arm ships sailing in this dangerous region.Some heavy machine guns mounted strategically on the ships would no doubt deter at least some of the pirates. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
benny Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Mentioning the pirates and Robin Hood in the same sentence is a stretch.Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor according to the story.These pirates rake in millions of dollars in ransom and keep some of it while investing the rest in more weapons to expand their operations.I don't know if there is a perfect solution,but right now the best one looks like military force,preferably by all nations affected by the piracy.The reaction of the Somalians after the Americans did the right thing shows just how dangerous this situation has become.Apparenly a sense of entitlement is a big part of Somali culture(especially males,according to a Somali man in Ottawa that ran some kind of drop-in centre for Somalis)and their threats seem to prove this.It is sad that the ship owners are refusing to arm ships sailing in this dangerous region.Some heavy machine guns mounted strategically on the ships would no doubt deter at least some of the pirates. If there is a problem in seeing Robin Hood as a pirate it is because he was not Viking (Norman) enough. Today, the shipping activities are dominated by people who have much more Viking's blood in their veins than the Somalians. Quote
jbg Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 If there is a problem in seeing Robin Hood as a pirate it is because he was not Viking (Norman) enough. Today, the shipping activities are dominated by people who have much more Viking's blood in their veins than the Somalians.So I guess pirates good shippers bad? I guess you don't like to drive very much. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ironstone Posted April 18, 2009 Report Posted April 18, 2009 Okay,Robin Hood should have met the same fate as the pirates that got theirs from the snipers. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
benny Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 When someone knows all he is capable of, he welcomes his daily routine being opposed. Quote
Peter F Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Canada soon will offer an alternative route all year round with the opening of the Northwest Passage. Yes, like I offer you air to breath. The NWP will be available for shipping wether we offer it or not. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
tango Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...4NEbcQD97KEP5G0 What do you do with a captured pirate? Among the difficulties facing prosecutors is assembling witnesses scattered across the globe and finding translators in various languages. Other countries are wary of hauling in pirates for trial for fear of being saddled with them after they serve their prison terms. Some European nations dump detained pirates back into lawless Somalia, said Pottengal Mukundan, director of the Commercial Crimes Services of the International Maritime Bureau. "I think EU countries are concerned that if the pirates are convicted and spend time in prison, when they finish their sentence, they may not be able to send them back to Somalia," Mukundan said. Kenya is the most popular destination for suspects. The East African nation bordering Somalia has agreements with the U.S., EU and Britain to prosecute Somali pirates, leading to a slew of court cases in the southern port of Mombasa. But diplomats privately fear that if every suspect is brought to Kenya, it could take years to prosecute because of a backlog of 800,000 cases of all kinds in the country's courts. Some suspects must spend a year or more in jail just to get a hearing. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
wulf42 Posted April 19, 2009 Author Report Posted April 19, 2009 What do you do with a captured pirate? Throw them over the side and then leave them for the sharks! Quote
Muddy Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 The response from the these pirates over the Americans action to rescue the Captain held hostage is mind boggeling! They are really upset that the pirate hostage takers were dealt with so expediantly. It`s like they believe they have some kind of intitlement! Who do they think they are ? Canadian Liberals! Quote
benny Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Yes, like I offer you air to breath. The NWP will be available for shipping wether we offer it or not. Breaking thinner and thinner ice can still serve as an excuse to imposing a ransom-like tax on commercial ships. Quote
jbg Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...4NEbcQD97KEP5G0What do you do with a captured pirate? Fashion a Guantanamo-type place for them. Maybe Captain Blackbeard's island (link).All kidding aside, the rights of international shipping must be paramount to the rights of lawbreakers. Maybe it's best if at least most of them turn out to be killed in combat. Edited April 19, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Fashion a Guantanamo-type place for them. Maybe Captain Blackbeard's island (link).All kidding aside, the rights of international shipping must be paramount to the rights of lawbreakers. Maybe it's best if at least most of them turn out to be killed in combat. Straits are such an enduring problem in navigation history precisely because seamen who dare pass through a strait are usually seen as the lawbreakers. Quote
Muddy Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Pirates being taken prisoner. Why? I would assume that the good guys ran out of ammunition! Personally if they are captured I think they should just be set free,...on Baffin Island. Quote
jbg Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Pirates being taken prisoner. Why? I would assume that the good guys ran out of ammunition!Personally if they are captured I think they should just be set free,...on Baffin Island. Bah, Devon or Ellesmere would be better. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 Bah, Devon or Ellesmere would be better. One of the best country in the world today (Australia) used to be a remote and barren island where the British Empire sent the unruly. Quote
Muddy Posted April 19, 2009 Report Posted April 19, 2009 One of the best country in the world today (Australia) used to be a remote and barren island where the British Empire sent the unruly. Like many of the left I too believe that polar bears have to eat too. Dear pirates ,if you endeavour to escape there will be no rescue. Quote
jbg Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) One of the best country in the world today (Australia) used to be a remote and barren island where the British Empire sent the unruly. Maybe the pirates can build Devon Island into a worthwhile destination. Edited April 20, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Deported near the North-West Passage, these pirates could become the first beneficiaries of Global Warming by pursuing there their current activities. Quote
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Well, browsed through and found no useful suggestions there! Some would like to ignore that we have international laws that we are bound to uphold. Otherwise, we are criminals. Many of the pirates are teenagers from fishing and farming communities that can't fish or farm anymore. If we just kill them all, are we behaving any 'better' than them? Are we worse? In fact, they have a code of honour about not harming anyone ... or at least they did ... but likely not anymore. It is a unique dilemma facing those who face the pirates. With no easy solutions. Life is complex like that and succumbing to immediate revenge-aggression is seldom if ever the best response, unless one is immediately threatened, of course. But it's pretty much guaranteed to bring the worst consequences. Now they will kill. And I do understand them to be victims of corporate degredation of the earth, which is out of control and has us in a downward suicidal spiral fuelled by adrenalin and testosterone. Sorry, boys, but it's still the truth. Gender imbalance from the Command to the gun barrel is a serious issue because 'nothing's too good for one's own family', even if it destroys the world for 'the coming faces' ... the next generations .... and many of these generations too. Knee-jerk revenge-aggression ... sucks. There is a better way. imo. ANY other way is a better way. Edited April 20, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
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