Argus Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Think I have pointed out that Human Rights Watch and others were still gathering information late in 2005 about how Tamil Tiger groups were using money extorted in Canada to fight their war. Simply pathetic. There was certainly no doubt whatever that the Tamil Tigers were a terrorist organization. Nor was there any doubt at all, because CSIS, Foreign Affairs, and the US government told him so, that the fund raiser he was going to attend was going to be on behalf of the Tamil Tigers. He not only went, but he then sneeringly called his detractors racists for daring to question him. Then he and Chretien had guffawed in the house, elbowing each other and exchanging winks. They looked like a pair of mafia dons who'd just told the law how they were at a restaurant the night that poor guy got mowed down in the streets, so of course, don't know "nuthin". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I have seen people do the same thing for Conservatives...but the Liberals..... As much as you and the other hard-core Liberals want to pretend this is illegitimate, comparisons between the leading parties form the bedrock of politics. I'm not very enthusiastic about the Tories, but whenever a Liberal bleats about this or that thing the Tories have done or are doing I examine the Liberals past and present behaviour for comparison, and in almost all such cases they are worse than the Tories. That makes your bleating rather unconvincing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Yes, so? And led that community and the candidate to believe they were not going to ban membership in the Tamil organizations in Canada. Take your pick of any of the dozens of one-sided anti-Israeli resolutions the Muslim world pushes through the UN every year. Sorry, not good enough. What resolutions specifically? You made the claim. Yes, it's called not allowing you to play your favorite game of diversion. You're the one who made the claim and now you are running from it. What separatists? Yes, the willful blindness and the utter lack of care about anything but vote-getting which marks you as a true hard-core Liberal. It's why I have so much respect for your posts. And it is why I think you are angry all the time and don't actually back up anything you say except with my vitriol. If they were trying to win over the Tamils they'd be supporting the Tamil Tigers like your party does. They ran a Tamil Tiger supporting candidate. Yes, but compared to your party, which has NO ideals, ethics or values of any kind, well, they're still an obvious first choice. Well, good luck with that. Quote
Argus Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 They ran a Tamil Tiger supporting candidate. And your party ran a Tamil Tiger supporting leader - and then another - and then another, not to mention a whole slew of Tamil Tiger supporting candidates, including several MPs who are out cheerleading for them now. And a leader who is making the mouth-noises the Tamil Tigers have demanded of him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) Simply pathetic. What is pathetic is to see claims made with no back up whatsoever. There was certainly no doubt whatever that the Tamil Tigers were a terrorist organization. Nor was there any doubt at all, because CSIS, Foreign Affairs, and the US government told him so, that the fund raiser he was going to attend was going to be on behalf of the Tamil Tigers. He not only went, but he then sneeringly called his detractors racists for daring to question him. Yes, and that is why the Liberals banned donations to the Tigers in 2001. There was no ban on domestic Tamil organizations until a number of months into Harper's government. The Tories themselves had to wait till after March of 2006 to get information to put through a membership ban. Those were Stockwell Day's words on the matter. He said there was not enough data. So please refrain from saying there was no doubt on the matter when the Tories themselves had to wait till a number of investigations took place. Then he and Chretien had guffawed in the house, elbowing each other and exchanging winks.They looked like a pair of mafia dons who'd just told the law how they were at a restaurant the night that poor guy got mowed down in the streets, so of course, don't know "nuthin". And now Harper shrugs his shoulders while Tamil civilians look to take the brunt of retribution in Sri Lanka. Edited April 12, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 And your party ran a Tamil Tiger supporting leader - and then another - and then another, not to mention a whole slew of Tamil Tiger supporting candidates, including several MPs who are out cheerleading for them now. And a leader who is making the mouth-noises the Tamil Tigers have demanded of him. What a load of BS. Your party is standing back and about to let a genocide happen simply because they don't believe there is any political advantage to see a ceasefire put in place. Quote
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) The policing of protests on municipal lands is a municipal responsibility. I doubt the Conservatives would unilaterally intrude in municipal affairs. Somehow, I think the Conservatives would explain this issue of jurisdiction to Sri Lanka's ambassador to Canada. Terrorism is a federal offence. You believe this was a terrorist related offence? By the way, the Tamils protested on Parliament Hill on Friday. It is federal property and their flags were present. The Liberals are to blame for this too? If protests were held on federal property where the RCMP provide protective services, such as Parliament Hill, I would want the Conservatives to tell the RCMP to have LTTE flags banned from protests. And what charge? They were there on Friday. In the case of the Toronto protests, why don't the Toronto police issue a ban on the LTTE flag at protests and have them removed? I think the answer is that McGuinty wouldn't want to upset the 200,000+ Tamils and their supporters that reside in and around Toronto. Neither would Mayor David Miller. So you believe the flags break a law? Which one? Edited April 12, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
Smallc Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 As much as you and the other hard-core Liberals I'm not a hard core anything. I don't see a cartoon as an issue....and I wouldn't no matter where it was coming from. I'm not nearly so biased as you seem to assume. Quote
capricorn Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Terrorism is a federal offence. You believe this was a terrorist related offence? Yes, carrying the LTTE flag should be outlawed under our terrorism legislation. By the way, the Tamils protested on Parliament Hill on Friday. It is federal property and their flags were present. The Liberals are to blame for this too? dobbin diversion alert! My comments applied to the supposed legal opinion obtained by the Toronto police that the LTTE flags were not illegal, not anything that occurred on Parliament Hill. Your party's Liberal cousins sympathize with the Tamil Tigers. One big happy family of Liberals looking to collect votes, even if it means supporting terrorist groups. So you believe the flags break a law? Which one? The Tamil Tigers are deemed a terrorist organization. Waving the Tigers flag is a sign of support for a terrorist organization therefore should not be allowed at protests. If Tigers flags were visible on Parliament Hill the RCMP should have acted to have them removed. Allowing the Tamil Tigers flag at protests serves to give legitimacy to the LTTE. London police took action on the flags citing their terrorism laws. We also have such laws and they should likewise be applied. A police spokesman said officers were continuing to negotiate with protest leaders to "avoid having to make a huge number of arrests".He said they had issued "repeated requests" for flags bearing images representing the Tamil Tigers - a proscribed organisation in the UK - to be removed. 'Urgent ceasefire' The police said two protesters were held on suspicion of carrying a flag supporting a proscribed organisation, under the Terrorism Act 2000. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7986838.stm Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Yes, carrying the LTTE flag should be outlawed under our terrorism legislation. Then it is the Conservative government that you should be upset with. Legislation is their domain. dobbin diversion alert! My comments applied to the supposed legal opinion obtained by the Toronto police that the LTTE flags were not illegal, not anything that occurred on Parliament Hill. Your party's Liberal cousins sympathize with the Tamil Tigers. One big happy family of Liberals looking to collect votes, even if it means supporting terrorist groups. Denial alert! You said that the Conservatives should have told the RCMP to deal with this. Well, they had their opportunity on Parliament Hill. Looks like the Tories are supporting terrorism if we stick to your standard. The Tamil Tigers are deemed a terrorist organization. Waving the Tigers flag is a sign of support for a terrorist organization therefore should not be allowed at protests. If Tigers flags were visible on Parliament Hill the RCMP should have acted to have them removed. Allowing the Tamil Tigers flag at protests serves to give legitimacy to the LTTE. Then your party failed failed to act. The pictures showed Tamil protests right on Parliament Hill which is federal property policed by the RCMP. London police took action on the flags citing their terrorism laws. We also have such laws and they should likewise be applied. Speak to your party about that. Quote
Argus Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 What a load of BS.Your party is standing back and about to let a genocide happen simply because they don't believe there is any political advantage to see a ceasefire put in place. Empty headed drivel. There is no political advantage to be had for the Tories here. The Sinhalese population in Canada is tiny. There is no reason to play up to them. Nor is anyone on the planet - other than Tamils - suggesting genocide is happening. In fact, what is happening is the world's most brutal terrorist organization is getting the crap kicked out of it - and Liberals are trying to prevent that on behalf of ignorant masses of ethnic Tamil voters. The suggestion for a "cease fire" is nothing but an attempt to let the Tigers have time to rearm and defend their territory. It has been repeatedly stated that the civilians in the path of the fighting are not being permitted to leave - by the Tamil Tigers - who want them there because, like Islamist terrorists, they consider them excellent fodder for propaganda when they get killed. No, the only political advantage to be had is in backing the world's most brutal terrorist group - and that is what your party is doing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 (edited) Empty headed drivel. There is no political advantage to be had for the Tories here. I was not just referring to in Canada. The country has spoken out on the killing of civilians in many nations but seemed reluctant to call for ceasefire in this case. Only this past Thursday did the government join many of the major nations in calling for a ceasefire. The Sinhalese population in Canada is tiny. There is no reason to play up to them. Nor is anyone on the planet - other than Tamils - suggesting genocide is happening. The targetting of civilians is well documented. Hence, the call for the ceasefire. In fact, what is happening is the world's most brutal terrorist organization is getting the crap kicked out of it - and Liberals are trying to prevent that on behalf of ignorant masses of ethnic Tamil voters. The Tigers will be defeated. Then, as before, the Tamil people will suffer. The suggestion for a "cease fire" is nothing but an attempt to let the Tigers have time to rearm and defend their territory. It has been repeatedly stated that the civilians in the path of the fighting are not being permitted to leave - by the Tamil Tigers - who want them there because, like Islamist terrorists, they consider them excellent fodder for propaganda when they get killed. And the government of Sri Lanka doesn't want them out of there either. Try to get the story straight. No, the only political advantage to be had is in backing the world's most brutal terrorist group - and that is what your party is doing. And the government backs the brutal continuation of oppression against the Tamils. That is what your party is doing. Edited April 13, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
August1991 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) In fact, what is happening is the world's most brutal terrorist organization is getting the crap kicked out of it - and Liberals are trying to prevent that on behalf of ignorant masses of ethnic Tamil voters.What is happening?What is remarkable is that the federal Liberal Party, a party that has always defended a united country (most recently and particularly under Trudeau) is now willing to support people who want a separate country in northern Ceylon. How would Trudeau have reacted if Sri Lankans had supported the FLQ? (Hint: Trudeau once asked, "Where is Biafra?") The modern federal Liberals - Ignatieff, Rae, Coderre, Dion, Malhi and the others - have no principles. They only want power. And Trudeau is dead, and in a mausoleum on the South Shore. Edited April 13, 2009 by August1991 Quote
jdobbin Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 The modern federal Liberals - Ignatieff, Rae, Coderre, Dion, Malhi and the others - have no principles. They only want power. And modern Tories were slow to even ask for a ceasefire despite the fact that civilians in a no fire zone were being targeted by Sri Lanka. Quote
tango Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Don't be extremist, now. Most Canadians don't agree with the forcible assimilation of an ethnic minority. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
normanchateau Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 What is remarkable is that the federal Liberal Party, a party that has always defended a united country (most recently and particularly under Trudeau) is now willing to support people who want a separate country in northern Ceylon. Ceylon? What century are you living in? It has been known as Sri Lanka since 1972. If you want to know exactly where Michael Ignatieff stands on the issue of the Tamil Tigers, read his 2006 book Lesser Evil where he makes his revulsion of the terrorist Tamil Tigers clear and suggests how Sri Lanka should deal with them. If you have evidence that Ignatieff's position on the Tamil Tigers has changed, let's hear it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Ceylon? What century are you living in? It has been known as Sri Lanka since 1972.If you want to know exactly where Michael Ignatieff stands on the issue of the Tamil Tigers, read his 2006 book Lesser Evil where he makes his revulsion of the terrorist Tamil Tigers clear and suggests how Sri Lanka should deal with them. If you have evidence that Ignatieff's position on the Tamil Tigers has changed, let's hear it. Maybe you have a link. All I can find is that he suggests the Tigers should be negotiated with... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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