Progressive Tory Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) they protect our freedom of speech by... outlawing freedom of speech for SOME people and opinions... Obviously you are one of the superior classes who has never been the victim of a hate crime; because if you were you would know the difference between freedom of speech and hate based on sexual orientation, race, etc. But there is a classic example of slander happening in Kingston right now. On Monday an article appeared in the Whig Standard about a local couple who run a coservative forum: Freedominion.ca; I think it is. Something like that anyway. This couple is currently being charged with liabel for not removing a slanderous post against a Human Rights lawyer. They have accused him of being a 'secret' poster who made flammatory remarks about a black female senator; despite the fact that he has clearly denied the posts were his. The couple who run the website claim that an IP address links him to the post, despite the fact that Rogers themselves have testified that the same IP address can be linked to several computers. It was generic. On Tuesday, the editor of the Whig Standard gave his own opinion on the matter, after checking out the site. He reminded his readers that newspapers would not be allowed to publish the accusations, so on-line forums, should not be exempt. This man is a Human Rights lawyer and this post could damage his career, family, etc. I hope they shut this site down until the couple is made aware of the laws governing this type of behavour. This is not about freedom of speech, as they suggest. It is defamation of character, which is described as a slanderous statement concerning a specific person and an unproven accusation. We're lumping far too much under 'freedom of speech'. Remember, the CHRC was formed for a reason. It would be nice to think that we don't require it, but clearly we do. Edited April 1, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Argus Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Obviously you are one of the superior classes who has never been the victim of a hate crime; because if you were you would know the difference between freedom of speech and hate based on sexual orientation, race, etc. There is no difference. If you get beat up, you get beat up. It doesn't matter why. But there is a classic example of slander happening in Kingston right now. On Monday an article appeared in the Whig Standard about a local couple who run a coservative forum: Freedominion.ca; I think it is. Something like that anyway. This couple is currently being charged with liabel for not removing a slanderous post against a Human Rights lawyer. You mean a libelous post. You don't understand the difference, do you? In any event, that has nothing whatsoever to do with human rights. Defmation causing injury to reputations is another matter entirely, and handled under entirely different kinds of laws. We're lumping far too much under 'freedom of speech'. Remember, the CHRC was formed for a reason. It would be nice to think that we don't require it, but clearly we do. There is no demonstrated "need" for human rights commisions. Nor were they formed to stop people from being insulted or offended. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Morris and Argus,I believe the two of you have discovered an area of this debate that hasn't been adequately explored yet. How does/should the law deal with 'art' ? I went to see an early film (pre; Roger and Me Michael Moore was in it) that dealt with Fascism in America called "Blood in the Face". But... there seemed to be fascists in the audience. The slippery slope becomes a cliff. The fact the audience at Birth of a Nation might have a lot of KKKers in it is no reason to censor the film, any more than if a lot of communists liked it. I don't see why 'artistic' works should have any more freedom than anything else, though I have to say that I find virtually all laws against speech or writings to be ludicrous and dangerous. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 And what do you know of what they fought for? So that Aryan's can have thier rightfull place in the Sun? My uncle joined up in 1940 to fight the commies. My other uncle joined up because only cowards and girly-men didn't. he joined in 1940 to fight communist swine!? Was he on the German or Italian side. I commend your uncles then- it would have been the only war I would have fought. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 You must have just read the English translation of Mein Kampf. I can point to countless strictly communist or marxist or even bolshevik student unions in major universities- and provide you with websites... People on campus can (and do) also wear t-shirts with "el che" on it and Karl Marx, I even saw one of lenin and Stalin together! Now ask yourself the question: why aren't Fascist or National Socialists similarly allowed to have measures of self-guidance? Why the huge double standards? its because ... as I said: COMMUNISTS AND JEWS are OK.... heterosexual white males and ANYTHING resembling fascism - are for all practical purposes ILLEGAL Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Very insightful of you.Who are you calling you people, you loony? you people= politically correct lemmings... like you. Who are incapable of an unoriginal idea. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 People on campus can (and do) also wear t-shirts with "el che" on it and Karl Marx, I even saw one of lenin and Stalin together! Now ask yourself the question: why aren't Fascist or National Socialists similarly allowed to have measures of self-guidance? No one is stopping you from wearing an Adolf Hitler shirt...please feel free Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 I think this is what might be cvalled a strawman. Maybe (but probably not) you would have a point if there was sharia law in Canada, otherwise your brainfart is pretty much irrelevant. did our WW1 and WW2 veterans fight for the rights of homosexuals when they went into the war? Did they knowingly conscript and join the armed forces thinking: "Yes, I will fight Nazism so that we will have a multicultural, pro-homosexual, socialist, criminal coddling Canada!" I mean who the hell is seriously entertaining this? WHo would DREAM to think that the destruction of social fabric, the promotion of EVERY type of defective "minority group" and sullen hatred of "eurocentrism" is what our veterans had in mind when they fought in the two great wars... please I want someone to seriously explain to me how they did... what would our veterans of any of the two great wars say if they would see the sundering abyss of degeneracy of a "gay parade"... what would they say if they saw that brown kid who urinated on a ww1 monument? What would they say if they saw the JDL and Canadian Jewish Congress put down European Canadian Heritage week as they did in 2000 when Fredericton wanted to celebrate EUROPEAN culture? don't beleive me ? (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/09/29/white_nb2990929.html) nay, 98% of them would turn in their graves and curse the day they bore children... if they saw any of the nonsense we are up to today. and the most discerning of people here KNOW IT. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Actually I think it would be beneficial for some to wear t-shirts that advertised their leanings....some would wear "I am a Nazi" while other could wear shirts that say 'I am a child molester" or "I am a clueless idiot"....although that wouldn't be needed with the Nazi shirts as it goes without saying... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 you people= politically correct lemmings... like you. Who are incapable of an unoriginal idea. Argus may be many things, but politically correct is not one of them. Quote
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 No one is stopping you from wearing an Adolf Hitler shirt...please feel free yes they are... there is a specific "hate propaganda statute" at concordia... I can be kicked out of the university, charged with "hate dissemination" and maybe even do some time. And Concordia kicked out a librarian who ordered a Mein Kampf book for academic purposes... oh but of course : not "Das Kapital" so please... concede that there is indeed a HUGE double standard... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) Actually I think it would be beneficial for some to wear t-shirts that advertised their leanings....some would wear "I am a Nazi" while other could wear shirts that say 'I am a child molester" or "I am a clueless idiot"....although that wouldn't be needed with the Nazi shirts as it goes without saying... nazis are child molesters and idiots? Dyou know that child molestation in germany resulted in summery execution? And idiot... yes Nazis had no faculties for scientific or mathematical literacy... and chemistry ... philosophy "Nietzsche et al"... hopeless... yes yes keep telling yourself this,.. Edited April 1, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 did our WW1 and WW2 veterans fight for the rights of homosexuals when they went into the war? Yep....When they defeated the Nazis gays in concentration camps that were still alive were freed. Did they knowingly conscript and join the armed forces thinking: "Yes, I will fight Nazism so that we will have a multicultural, pro-homosexual, socialist, criminal coddling Canada!" No they didn't and we don't...christ almighy, when you are plagiarizing you sure do like to make stuff up. I mean who the hell is seriously entertaining this? Just you. I hope you are entertained. WHo would DREAM to think that the destruction of social fabric, the promotion of EVERY type of defective "minority group" and sullen hatred of "eurocentrism" is what our veterans had in mind when they fought in the two great wars... Just you and your own peculiar miniority group no doubt... please I want someone to seriously explain to me how they did... You will have to deal with your own windmills... what would our veterans of any of the two great wars say if they would see the sundering abyss of degeneracy of a "gay parade"... Like Canada I imagine there is a wide spectrum of opinions on the subject....you know Canadians aren't likely to goosestep in unison on anything.... what would they say if they saw that brown kid who urinated on a ww1 monument? I think you have reached your quota for posting fabrications.... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006...emorialpee.html What would they say if they saw the JDL and Canadian Jewish Congress put down European Canadian Heritage week as they did in 2000 when Fredericton wanted to celebrate EUROPEAN culture? don't beleive me ? (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/09/29/white_nb2990929.html) I can't imagine too many who would want a day to party with the kind of Nazi folks that they were trying to kill only 55 years earlier...High 5 to the to the CJC for the vigilence....I notice no mention in the article about the JDL so I will just assume your bullshitting yet again... nay, 98% of them would turn in their graves and curse the day they bore children... if they saw any of the nonsense we are up to today. and the most discerning of people here KNOW IT. I tend to think most would be puking that there are still folks around stupid enough to parrot the idiocy you are swilling in. Most would second the immortal words of Jake Blues "I hate Illinois Nazis" Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 nazis are child molesters and idiots? Many were: Roehm, Goring "Nietzsche et al"... hopeless... Nietzsche died in 1900, insane, long before the birth of nazism....and he considered himself.....Polish Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Yep....When they defeated the Nazis gays in concentration camps that were still alive were freed.No they didn't and we don't...christ almighy, when you are plagiarizing you sure do like to make stuff up. Just you. I hope you are entertained. Just you and your own peculiar miniority group no doubt... You will have to deal with your own windmills... Like Canada I imagine there is a wide spectrum of opinions on the subject....you know Canadians aren't likely to goosestep in unison on anything.... I think you have reached your quota for posting fabrications.... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006...emorialpee.html I can't imagine too many who would want a day to party with the kind of Nazi folks that they were trying to kill only 55 years earlier...High 5 to the to the CJC for the vigilence....I notice no mention in the article about the JDL so I will just assume your bullshitting yet again... I tend to think most would be puking that there are still folks around stupid enough to parrot the idiocy you are swilling in. Most would second the immortal words of Jake Blues "I hate Illinois Nazis" ??? The there were nearly no gay survivors (and gay liberation was not mentioned to soldiers American or Canadian for obvious reasons), and either way, Canadians freed ZERO death camps and only 1 concentration camp: Westerbork, Netherlands - which was a specifically Roma and Dutch Jew concentration camp... no political prisoners or asocial (ie gay) internees. ahah willfully muddying the issue: DID OUR CANADIAN VETERANS strap up their RCE Standard issue soup dish helmets with the notion that they were fighting for the rights of HOMOSEXUALS, NON-EUROPEANS, and FOR socialism? Why can't you answer without circumlocution and ad hominems? Goosestep in unison? Where is the opposition to gay parades? none whatsoever.... you're dreaming this of course...canadians are in complete ideological LOCKSTEP on this issue. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Many were: Roehm, GoringNietzsche died in 1900, insane, long before the birth of nazism....and he considered himself.....Polish Goering was despised by the party towards the end, and his actions, if more widely known, would have resulted in a court marshal and probably a bullet in the head. But wait a minute: "In 1933, they enacted the Law Against Dangerous Habitual Criminals and Measures for Protection and Recovery. This law gave German judges the power to order compulsory castrations in cases involving rape, defilement, (Paragraph 176)," In paragraph 177, "illicit sex acts with children" are punishable by death... yeah what a bunch of pedos the nazis were... (how can your brain get around to that conclusion)? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Goering was despised by the party towards the end, and his actions, if more widely known, would have resulted in a court marshal and probably a bullet in the head. More widely known? You mean if it got out.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Obviously you are one of the superior classes who has never been the victim of a hate crime; because if you were you would know the difference between freedom of speech and hate based on sexual orientation, race, etc.But there is a classic example of slander happening in Kingston right now. On Monday an article appeared in the Whig Standard about a local couple who run a coservative forum: Freedominion.ca; I think it is. Something like that anyway. This couple is currently being charged with liabel for not removing a slanderous post against a Human Rights lawyer. They have accused him of being a 'secret' poster who made flammatory remarks about a black female senator; despite the fact that he has clearly denied the posts were his. The couple who run the website claim that an IP address links him to the post, despite the fact that Rogers themselves have testified that the same IP address can be linked to several computers. It was generic. On Tuesday, the editor of the Whig Standard gave his own opinion on the matter, after checking out the site. He reminded his readers that newspapers would not be allowed to publish the accusations, so on-line forums, should not be exempt. This man is a Human Rights lawyer and this post could damage his career, family, etc. I hope they shut this site down until the couple is made aware of the laws governing this type of behavour. This is not about freedom of speech, as they suggest. It is defamation of character, which is described as a slanderous statement concerning a specific person and an unproven accusation. We're lumping far too much under 'freedom of speech'. Remember, the CHRC was formed for a reason. It would be nice to think that we don't require it, but clearly we do. superior classes? What the hell are you huffing on!?!?! And let me tell you I would feel the pain JUST AS MUCH if someone punched me in the mouth because I'm white. Hate is an emotion... you cannot punish someone for "feelings"... additionally, what you are promoting is not "hate crime" legislation... but THOUGHT CRIME legislation, - you want to criminalize what a person was THINKING while committing a crime... If I shoot someone in the head because he's black or gay... to you that's a hate crime and deserves exemplary punishment 50 years in jail. If I shoot someone to steal his shoes... to you its nothing to be concerned about... just another murder... and you'd prosecute me for 25 instead with chances at parole. However you cut it: you want to CRIMINALIZE THOUGHTS. Liked 1984 much? Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 ??? The there were nearly no gay survivors (and gay liberation was not mentioned to soldiers American or Canadian for obvious reasons), and either way, Canadians freed ZERO death camps and only 1 concentration camp: Westerbork, Netherlands - which was a specifically Roma and Dutch Jew concentration camp... no political prisoners or asocial (ie gay) internees. I never said the Canadians liberated the camps.... ahah willfully muddying the issue: The irony from someone who fabricates stuff to suit his dodgey position.....keep it coming, you are quite amusing. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Obviously you are one of the superior classes who has never been the victim of a hate crime; because if you were you would know the difference between freedom of speech and hate based on sexual orientation, race, etc.But there is a classic example of slander happening in Kingston right now. On Monday an article appeared in the Whig Standard about a local couple who run a coservative forum: Freedominion.ca; I think it is. Something like that anyway. This couple is currently being charged with liabel for not removing a slanderous post against a Human Rights lawyer. They have accused him of being a 'secret' poster who made flammatory remarks about a black female senator; despite the fact that he has clearly denied the posts were his. The couple who run the website claim that an IP address links him to the post, despite the fact that Rogers themselves have testified that the same IP address can be linked to several computers. It was generic. flammatory eh!? hahahaha... well its clear that your head is just a huge lump of confusion all pickled in "victim mentality" and humanitarian slop. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 flammatory eh!?hahahaha... well its clear that your head is just a huge lump of confusion all pickled in "victim mentality" and humanitarian slop. Why can't you answer without circumlocution and ad hominems? Let the laughs follow... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 I never said the Canadians liberated the camps....The irony from someone who fabricates stuff to suit his dodgey position.....keep it coming, you are quite amusing. for god's sake - of course we're talking about canadians who fought WW1 and WW2... all of a sudden... "you did'nt know which CANADIAN VETERANS" we were talking about? Come on- admit it that you're not particularly well read on the subject and stop acting like this chinless slow-wit.... that's exactly what you meant... and either way Americans freed Ohrdruf then Buchenwald then Dachau- with some combined 82 000 survivors, except for some communists, none were "pink triangle" camps ... and EITHER WAY... american soldiers WERE NOT TOLD WHO THEY WERE FREEING - so again- NO they did'nt go in there KNOWING that they were sent to risk their lives to free a few homosexuals... I promise you that they did'nt. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Let the laughs follow... dancer... your arguments are nothing BUT ad hominem... all you do is deny a claim or refuse to answer a question, then bring the topic back unto ME personally. Start talking about how I goosestep, that i'm a nazi, that all nazis are child molesters and idiots and that I'm only saying this because of "insert ad hominem ad circonstancia here" you have no argument except to bring the onus unto ME personally INSTEAD of my arguments... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 you have no argument except to bring the onus unto ME personally INSTEAD of my arguments... Well lets see....you plagiarize, you make stuff up, your arguments are filled with invictive comments about anyone non white....I don't think a person needs an argument when the person on the otherside of the floor is a clown...the only requirement is to point a finger at the clown and laugh....didn't I already expalin that to you? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 I think lictor's arguments can be summed up as follows: White European people with white identities good, anthropoidal hominid bad. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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