DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) The literally unthinkable has happened and it is now against international law (non-binding resolution) to criticize religion. Some sources... http://jta.org/news/article/2009/03/26/100...tion-resolution http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...E52O5QY20090325 http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option...73&Itemid=2 A victory for those against freedom of speech and separation of church and state. Edited March 29, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 To add... I suppose that puts the likes of Mark Steyn, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Murray and Pat Codell out of a job least they face prosecution for "hate crimes". Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
tango Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) To add...I suppose that puts the likes of Mark Steyn, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Murray and Pat Codell out of a job least they face prosecution for "hate crimes". Well yes ... and it affects all of the people who like to criticize the Catholic church too ... hmm ... So I wonder who the chickens were who abstained from the vote and let this pass? Edited March 29, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) Well yes ... and it affects all of the people who like to criticize the Catholic church too ... hmm ... So I wonder who the chickens were who abstained from the vote? What religion gets its undies in a knot when somebody bad-mouths it? Edited March 29, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 The United Nations has no authority. The UN has no real power. The UN should mind it's own buisness - Any orgainization that has a prayer room in the basement that consists a big block of rock touching the earth can not be taken seriously.. Besides where are they when genocide takes palace? If the UN could it would destroy all culture and all religion and replace it some concept of no left no right no wrong no morals or principles - they are and always will be in the experimental stage. That's just the nature of their collective consciousness...they are stupid..If they were as smart as they think we would have seen evidence of intelligence...Have you seen any? I have not~ Quote
tango Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 The United Nations has no authority. The UN has no real power. The UN should mind it's own buisness - Any orgainization that has a prayer room in the basement that consists a big block of rock touching the earth can not be taken seriously.. Besides where are they when genocide takes palace? If the UN could it would destroy all culture and all religion and replace it some concept of no left no right no wrong no morals or principles - they are and always will be in the experimental stage. That's just the nature of their collective consciousness...they are stupid..If they were as smart as they think we would have seen evidence of intelligence...Have you seen any? I have not~ I like this one. http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
tango Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 What religion gets its undies in a knot when somebody bad-mouths it? All. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 All. Provide examples. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WIP Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 What religion gets its undies in a knot when somebody bad-mouths it?How about the one that declares solidarity with Muslims against the forces of secularism, for example:Gently introducing a main theme of his lecture in Regensburg, the Pontiff said that this cooperation is necessary in order to counteract the growing power of secularism and relativism. Christians and Muslims, he observed, can unite in many causes, "especially those concerning the defense and promotion of the dignity of the human person and of the rights arising from that dignity." http://www.catholicculture.org/news/featur...fm?recnum=46693 Also, did you notice at the end of one of the Reuters link in your opening post, that an opposition statement was signed by humanists, the Muslim Council of Canada, American Islamic Congress, World Jewish Congress, and groups like Freedom House and groups advocating freedom of the press: However, critics say they fear OIC states and their allies are working to insert it in an existing U.N. convention against racial discrimination. They say "defamation of religion" has no validity in international law because only individuals, and not concepts or beliefs, can be defamed. Among the groups signing Wednesday's statement were the International Humanist and Ethical Union, the Geneva-based U.N. Watch, the Muslim Council of Canada, the American Islamic Congress, the World Jewish Congress, the U.S. Freedom House, and the Paris-based International Press Institute. It was also backed by organizations representing believers, agnostics and atheists in India, Australia, Europe, Africa and Latin America. So why hasn't the Vatican signed the statement condemning this attack on free speech? Or for that matter what about about all of the other major Protestant and evangelical church associations? A complete list of the 186 NGO's that have signed the statement is at U.N. Watch . The only Christian groups I see on the list are one that supports foreign missionary work and another that advocates for Christian minorities in non-Christian lands. Should we assume that the mainline churches are secretly cheering from the sidelines, since they are pushing their own brand of religious domination that they don't like criticized, analyzed and deconstructed? And BTW, it is a crime in Italy to defame the pope, and Greece still has religious blasphemy laws, so we have our own theocratic fascists to worry about before we run off to foreign lands to fight other ones. After Iraq and a bogus War On Terror, only suckers and fools cast their lot with Christian fascists in a struggle against Muslim fascists! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Argus Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 To add...I suppose that puts the likes of Mark Steyn, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Murray and Pat Codell out of a job least they face prosecution for "hate crimes". The non-binding resolutions of the UN carry about as much weight as those of the town council of some one horse burg in rural Manitoba. It'll make the Muslims happy for a brief span, but everyone else will utterly ignore it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Well yes ... and it affects all of the people who like to criticize the Catholic church too ... hmm ... So I wonder who the chickens were who abstained from the vote and let this pass? Although I haven't been able to find a list, it's not hard to figure out, and a few news stories have been reasonably clear. Ghana, India, Nigeria, Zambia and some of the council's Latin American countries abstained. There are 17 Muslim countries in the 47-nation human rights council. Their alliance with China, Cuba, Russia and most of the African members means they can almost always achieve a majority. Frankly, if the West really cares much about human rights we ought to all quit this ludicrous "human rights" body and refuse to take part in any further nonsense until only countries which actually respect human rights are permitted to be members. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 How about the one that declares solidarity with Muslims against the forces of secularism, for example:Gently introducing a main theme of his lecture in Regensburg, the Pontiff said that this cooperation is necessary in order to counteract the growing power of secularism and relativism. Christians and Muslims, he observed, can unite in many causes, "especially those concerning the defense and promotion of the dignity of the human person and of the rights arising from that dignity." http://www.catholicculture.org/news/featur...fm?recnum=46693 Also, did you notice at the end of one of the Reuters link in your opening post, that an opposition statement was signed by humanists, the Muslim Council of Canada, American Islamic Congress, World Jewish Congress, and groups like Freedom House and groups advocating freedom of the press: However, critics say they fear OIC states and their allies are working to insert it in an existing U.N. convention against racial discrimination. They say "defamation of religion" has no validity in international law because only individuals, and not concepts or beliefs, can be defamed. Among the groups signing Wednesday's statement were the International Humanist and Ethical Union, the Geneva-based U.N. Watch, the Muslim Council of Canada, the American Islamic Congress, the World Jewish Congress, the U.S. Freedom House, and the Paris-based International Press Institute. It was also backed by organizations representing believers, agnostics and atheists in India, Australia, Europe, Africa and Latin America. So why hasn't the Vatican signed the statement condemning this attack on free speech? Or for that matter what about about all of the other major Protestant and evangelical church associations? A complete list of the 186 NGO's that have signed the statement is at U.N. Watch . The only Christian groups I see on the list are one that supports foreign missionary work and another that advocates for Christian minorities in non-Christian lands. Should we assume that the mainline churches are secretly cheering from the sidelines, since they are pushing their own brand of religious domination that they don't like criticized, analyzed and deconstructed? And BTW, it is a crime in Italy to defame the pope, and Greece still has religious blasphemy laws, so we have our own theocratic fascists to worry about before we run off to foreign lands to fight other ones. After Iraq and a bogus War On Terror, only suckers and fools cast their lot with Christian fascists in a struggle against Muslim fascists! I agree WIP that the RCC would aid Islam vs World Atheism. But, it wasn't the RCC that came up with this. This is all in preparation for Durban II and only had Islam mentioned by name even though all religions will apparently "benefit". As mentioned...which religion gets offended at pretty darn near everything? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 The non-binding resolutions of the UN carry about as much weight as those of the town council of some one horse burg in rural Manitoba. It'll make the Muslims happy for a brief span, but everyone else will utterly ignore it. Maybe...maybe not. Tip of the iceberg, I think. They did manage to pass 5 more resolutions against Israel before the 10th session closed. Not sure if that's a new record or not...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Posted March 29, 2009 Here it is... http://www.eclj.org/PDF/OICDefamationofRel...ion03-12-09.pdf Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ReeferMadness Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Well, if they were to add a few more clauses, I could live with it: Such as Recognizing that some religious texts make reference to violent acts and these references are occasionally interpreted by certain individuals as justification for actual violent acts Noting that, like all major belief systems, major religions have at many points in history served as confluences for extreme individuals who engage in violent and destructive behaviors Further noting that in some cases, the leaders of major religions have countenanced said violent and destructive behaviors Am I an international criminal now? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
DogOnPorch Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 Well, if they were to add a few more clauses, I could live with it:Such as Recognizing that some religious texts make reference to violent acts and these references are occasionally interpreted by certain individuals as justification for actual violent acts Noting that, like all major belief systems, major religions have at many points in history served as confluences for extreme individuals who engage in violent and destructive behaviors Further noting that in some cases, the leaders of major religions have countenanced said violent and destructive behaviors Am I an international criminal now? Interesting you should mention that. There's a ton of YouTube videos on the subject of what words should be included in each line of the resolution. They do seek to make it binding...I suppose that's the real worry. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ReeferMadness Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Interesting you should mention that. There's a ton of YouTube videos on the subject of what words should be included in each line of the resolution. They do seek to make it binding...I suppose that's the real worry. OK, but check out the comments that follow the video. There are an awful lot of racist xenophobes out there. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
DogOnPorch Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Posted March 30, 2009 OK, but check out the comments that follow the video. There are an awful lot of racist xenophobes out there. The amount of hatred on the planet is staggering. YouTube is unmoderated in many of it's comment sections. Others need the uploader's permission to comment. Still others do not allow comments at all. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) The UN in my opinion proves by this resolution what we all know, that it has been permanently and irreputably compromised by partisan politics. Edited March 31, 2009 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Did someone ask for examples? Here you go Dawg. 1. men with beards 2. as per 1 and say they know what is "true" 3. as per 1 and 2 and claim to know what "God" thinks and believes 4. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the JDL, the KKK, anti-abortionists from the Christian Heritage Front, Bill O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, ultra-orthodox Jews on Friday night when you walk in their neighbourhood wearing short sleeves, certain Israeli settlers on the West bank, George Galloway 5. as per 1 the Taliban and those who now seem to be blowing people up in India and Pakistan 6. as per 1, certain extremist Sieks 7. certain Hindus of the JPL now campaigning for election 8. Tibetan Buddists 9. you 10. me 11. anyone who claims to believe in God when you cut them off in your car or tail gate them or ask them to pay more taxes. 12. The Iranian ruling council. Edited March 31, 2009 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Did someone ask for examples? Here you go Dawg.1. men with beards 2. as per 1 and say they know what is "true" 3. as per 1 and 2 and claim to know what "God" thinks and believes 4. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the JDL, the KKK, anti-abortionists from the Christian Heritage Front, Bill O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, ultra-orthodox Jews on Friday night when you walk in their neighbourhood wearing short sleeves, certain Israeli settlers on the West bank, George Galloway 5. as per 1 the Taliban and those who now seem to be blowing people up in India and Pakistan 6. as per 1, certain extremist Sieks 7. certain Hindus of the JPL now campaigning for election 8. Tibetan Buddists 9. you 10. me 11. anyone who claims to believe in God when you cut them off in your car or tail gate them or ask them to pay more taxes. Sorry Oleg. Please add Oleg as 13. I am not sure though what to call his religion I think its called Olegism and he is an Olegist. Either way I am not giving him any money when he comes to my door. I slam the door on all of them the same way. Edited March 31, 2009 by Rue Quote
WIP Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 I agree WIP that the RCC would aid Islam vs World Atheism. But, it wasn't the RCC that came up with this. No, they're smart enough to cheer from the sidelines, since most people in Western democratic nations oppose attacks on free speech.......even if it's blasphemy. Last I checked, I don't see the Vatican or any Catholic NGO's on that list of organizations signing the declaration condemning the U.N. resolution. This is all in preparation for Durban II and only had Islam mentioned by name even though all religions will apparently "benefit". As mentioned...which religion gets offended at pretty darn near everything? Well, if it wasn't for the idiots who wanted to enlist the Saudis and Islamists as allies against Communism, we wouldn't be dealing with these problems today? Islamism and Islamofascism would still be limited to the Arab World, not the entire Muslim World and Europe, as it is now. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
DogOnPorch Posted April 4, 2009 Author Report Posted April 4, 2009 No, they're smart enough to cheer from the sidelines, since most people in Western democratic nations oppose attacks on free speech.......even if it's blasphemy. Last I checked, I don't see the Vatican or any Catholic NGO's on that list of organizations signing the declaration condemning the U.N. resolution. Well, if it wasn't for the idiots who wanted to enlist the Saudis and Islamists as allies against Communism, we wouldn't be dealing with these problems today? Islamism and Islamofascism would still be limited to the Arab World, not the entire Muslim World and Europe, as it is now. I don't for a minute believe that 'radical' Islam is 'our fault'. It's been going on for centuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 19, 2009 Author Report Posted April 19, 2009 US joins boycott of UN Racism Conference. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/18/u...ference019.htmlhttp://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas...5958160251.html http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=192639 http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...Bk972XjwNW2c2yA Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 Diplomats have walked out of a speech by the Iranian president at a UN anti-racism conference after he described Israel as a "racist government". Two protesters, wearing coloured wigs, disrupted the beginning of the speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - followed by the Western walkout. Includes video. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8008572.stm Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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