UN - Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

[dub]

I know...it sucks when your team loses yet again. To Zionists, no less! Call for a fatwa or perhaps or check see if the evil Zionists are willing to do a do-over of the Six Day War.

look. germans do not dance around and say, "oh. we killed a lot of those defenseless jews! high five anyone?!" they don't look at a jews and say: "it sucks when your team lost and the only way you could be rescued was to get the world to help you out!"

the germans don't gloat about the nazis' murdering of the jews (and other groups) because they have the sense to know that it was wrong and immoral (and of course, against international law)

Re: humanitarian laws...I don't support Hezbollah nor Hamas. I never apologize for them. That's more your bag.

you're being dishonest again.

[DogOnPorch]

look. germans do not dance around and say, "oh. we killed a lot of those defenseless jews! high five anyone?!" they don't look at a jews and say: "it sucks when your team lost and the only way you could be rescued was to get the world to help you out!"

the germans don't gloat about the nazis' murdering of the jews (and other groups) because they have the sense to know that it was wrong and immoral (and of course, against international law)

you're being dishonest again.

The World didn't help the Jews during WW2. Few knew or cared, frankly.

That being said, I have no love loss for the death of terrorists. Especially Islamo-Nazi terrorists. I'm sorry if they're chums. But that's the way I am. Canada being a free country, you're able to support them to a point (up to giving money, I'd imagine...ask you pal George).

That you're upset your chums lost again for the what??...6th or more time...isn't really my problem...and complaining to me won't pull victory from the jaws of yet another defeat at the hands of the evil "Zionist Entity". My advice if you really want to make a difference is to move to Gaza and buy an AK-47 and an RPG and let the nasty Jooos have it. Show 'em how it's done, Jihadi.

[dub]

The World didn't help the Jews during WW2. Few knew or cared, frankly.

That being said, I have no love loss for the death of terrorists. Especially Islamo-Nazi terrorists. I'm sorry if they're chums. But that's the way I am. Canada being a free country, you're able to support them to a point (up to giving money, I'd imagine...ask you pal George).

That you're upset your chums lost again for the what??...6th or more time...isn't really my problem...and complaining to me won't pull victory from the jaws of yet another defeat at the hands of the evil "Zionist Entity". My advice if you really want to make a difference is to move to Gaza and buy an AK-47 and an RPG and let the nasty Jooos have it. Show 'em how it's done, Jihadi.

if you think killing innocent civilians and ruining their lives is winning, then that's you. most of the world disagrees with you. as you said, canada is a free country and you can express these disgusting beliefs as much as you want.

don't expect everyone to fall into your black and white world. as much as you disagree, no one should get a pass on breaking humanitarian law.

[M.Dancer]

if you think killing innocent civilians and ruining their lives is winning.....

Then you are a true believer oif the palestinian resitance strategy.

[DogOnPorch]

if you think killing innocent civilians and ruining their lives is winning, then that's you. most of the world disagrees with you. as you said, canada is a free country and you can express these disgusting beliefs as much as you want.

Your buddies are the ones into killing civilians. Hamas and Hezbollah started these conflicts and in their turn fired rockets into civilian areas of Israel...mainly due to a wall which prevents suicide bombers...also aimed at civilian targets.

don't expect everyone to fall into your black and white world. as much as you disagree, no one should get a pass on breaking humanitarian law.

I have plenty of good company and I know it.

Re: humanitarian law...I don't support Islamo-Fascists like Hamas and Hezbollah. Both are well known for using massed human shields and targeting civilians randomly. Instead of evacuating the civilian population of an area under fire, both groups will force civilians to remain in the combat zones. Their top dogs meanwhile are in Syria or 50 feet underground...safe n' sound.

To boot, they've both been caught lying about their own civilain casualties they've caused in the past. So claims of 'x' number of anything from these clowns are to be viewed with distrust.

No matter of bleating on your part will convince me and no doubt others...otherwise.

[dub]

Your buddies are the ones into killing civilians. Hamas and Hezbollah started these conflicts and in their turn fired rockets into civilian areas of Israel...mainly due to a wall which prevents suicide bombers...also aimed at civilian targets.

you can keep repeating that hamas are my buddies, but it doesn't make it true.

what is true is that majority of acts on both sides are retaliation to something the other side has done.

hamas' indiscriminate rocket firing, even though has killed very few civilians, is still illegal under international law.

I have plenty of good company and I know it.

i'm sure the nazis said the same thing when trying to justify killing civilians.

Re: humanitarian law...I don't support Islamo-Fascists like Hamas and Hezbollah. Both are well known for using massed human shields and targeting civilians randomly. Instead of evacuating the civilian population of an area under fire, both groups will force civilians to remain in the combat zones. Their top dogs meanwhile are in Syria or 50 feet underground...safe n' sound.

To boot, they've both been caught lying about their own civilain casualties they've caused in the past. So claims of 'x' number of anything from these clowns are to be viewed with distrust.

No matter of bleating on your part will convince me and no doubt others...otherwise.

so we get it, you don't support hamas' illegal rocket firing and the alleged use of human shields. good. i don't support that either. we agree on this.

why do you support israel's breaking of international humanitarian laws?

[M.Dancer]

hamas' indiscriminate rocket firing, even though has killed very few civilians, is still illegal under international law.

Therefore Israel's response is legal.

[dub]

Therefore Israel's response is legal.

you're wrong again. better read up on your international law because you don't seem to grasp it.

[M.Dancer]

you're wrong again. better read up on your international law because you don't seem to grasp it.

I believe it has already been established you are the one who's grasp of international law is arthritic.

The right to self defense is unassailable. From the time Hamas launched its first rocket their fate was sealed in international law and the willingness and ability to act under the law.

[dub]

I believe it has already been established you are the one who's grasp of international law is arthritic.

The right to self defense is unassailable. From the time Hamas launched its first rocket their fate was sealed in international law and the willingness and ability to act under the law.

there is the real world and then there is your world. there are expert groups who know a little more than you about international law and one has concluded, after a thorough investigation that WP was used illegally. i'm sorry, but your armchair investigation does not count.

the real world says this in regards to humanitarian law:

Israel’s use of white phosphorus munitions during the armed conflict in Gaza violated international humanitarian law in two distinct ways. First, the IDF’s general use of air-burst white phosphorus as an apparent obscurant in densely populated areas of Gaza violated the obligation to take all feasible precautions to minimize harm to civilians and to civilian objects. Second, the IDF’s use of air-burst white phosphorus in specific incidents causing civilian casualties violated the prohibition against indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks.

that's only the illegal use of WP. there is also the heavy evidence of israel breaking other humanitarian laws, like;

the indiscriminate bombings of civilian homes and public facilities. lets not forget the closing of the borders where the injured could not get through and aid could not get in. the evidence continues to pile on.

so yeah, we've already established that israel has committed war crimes.

Edited April 15, 2009 by dub

[M.Dancer]

.....and one has concluded, after a thorough investigation that WP was used illegally

So the investigator has already completed his investigation or are you just having a wet dream?

Maybe a case of premature adjudication?

[tango]

So the investigator has already completed his investigation or are you just having a wet dream?

Maybe a case of premature adjudication?

Maybe we need further confirmation to convince the Israeli people.

However, there is considerable reason to suspect that Israel has lost its moral compass, imo.

[DogOnPorch]

you can keep repeating that hamas are my buddies, but it doesn't make it true.

Sure thing. Make sure to tell them how much I hate 'em, would you?

what is true is that majority of acts on both sides are retaliation to something the other side has done.

You are not the keeper of 'the truth'.

hamas' indiscriminate rocket firing, even though has killed very few civilians, is still illegal under international law.

Indeed...but building a bomb shelter isn't. Something Hamas doesn't allow for some reason...unless it is for their rear-ends. Nor is evacuation to safe zones least Hamas be forced to actually fight the IDF on an actual battlefield free of civilians. Certain death...right?

i'm sure the nazis said the same thing when trying to justify killing civilians.

I highly doubt you understand or are privy to the inner workings of the 3rd Reich.

so we get it, you don't support hamas' illegal rocket firing and the alleged use of human shields. good. i don't support that either. we agree on this.

"We?" Are there more of you all of a sudden? Neat trick. How does it work out for taxation purposes?

You may or may not support Hamas's rockets. Don't know...I have managed to figure you're not 'outraged' by these rockets, however. Israel's mere existance seems to irk you somewhat, though.

why do you support israel's breaking of international humanitarian laws?

Why didn't Hamas evacuate civilians from a war zone even with warnings? Didn't they know or care that their precious 'civilians' might get hurt and/or killed? Sure they did...

Meanwhile...all these hundreds of 'civilian' bodies would sure make a good photo-op for your pro-Hamas cause. Lined up all nice n' gory for the cameras. But, nada. Maybe during the next war they'll remember to cash in on this opportunity like Hezbollah attempted to do so clumsily with fake casualties.

Alleged Hamas Human Shield.

Human shield IDF style.

[tango]

Why didn't Hamas evacuate civilians from a war zone even with warnings? Didn't they know or care that their precious 'civilians' might get hurt and/or killed? Sure they did...

Because the borders were closed ... by Israel and Egypt.

People were trapped in Gaza. They could not leave.

If you didn't even know that, then perhaps you don't know enough to be responding on this topic.

Edited April 15, 2009 by tango

[M.Dancer]

Because the borders were closed ... by Israel and Egypt.

People were trapped in Gaza. They could not leave.

If you didn't even know that, then perhaps you don't know enough to be responding on this topic.

There's lots of room in the Gaza for people to flee...heck, it less densely populated than Manhatten

[DogOnPorch]

Because the borders were closed ... by Israel and Egypt.

People were trapped in Gaza. They could not leave.

If you didn't even know that, then perhaps you don't know enough to be responding on this topic.

What M.Dancer said...take a boo at Google Maps one day. YOU are the one under-informed.

Edited April 15, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[dub]

Israel's mere existance seems to irk you somewhat, though.

you sure love to throw out a lot of stupid accusations.

how do you equate me talking about israel's war crimes in gaza to me being irked by israel's existence?

you're a dishonest person.

Why didn't Hamas evacuate civilians from a war zone even with warnings? Didn't they know or care that their precious 'civilians' might get hurt and/or killed? Sure they did...

gaza is one of the most densely populated areas of the world. not only did israel trap the gazans by closing all the borders but they also hit a UN school building where hundreds of civilians were taking refuge.

Gaza's day of carnage - 40 dead as Israelis bomb two UN schools

Israel's assault on Gaza has exacted the bloodiest toll of civilian lives yet, when the bombing of UN schools being used as refugee centres and of housing killed more than 50 people, including an entire family of seven young children.

The UN protested at a "complete absence of accountability" for the escalating number of civilian deaths in Gaza, saying "the rule of the gun" had taken over. Doctors in Gaza said more than 40 people died, including children, in what appears to be the biggest single loss of life of the campaign when Israeli bombs hit al-Fakhora school, in Jabaliya refugee camp, while it was packed with hundreds of people who had fled the fighting.

oops?

reality sure blows a big hole in your arguments, doesn't it?

Besieged families flee homes for shelter under UN flag

But where to flee? In other conflicts refugees move across borders or to quieter regions. But Gaza's 1.5 million residents are trapped behind the long Israeli fence, dotted with machine gun posts and watchtowers, that makes their home a prison. There is no way out.

So Khalil and his children, like thousands of other Gazans, settled for what they could find - schools run by the UN Palestinian refugee agency that have flung their doors open as shelters from the Israeli assault that is claiming more lives by the hour. By last night 17 schools had been turned into shelters with more than 5,000 people seeking protection inside. Nine of the schools are in Jabaliya refugee camp on the front line of the fighting.

Adnan Abu Hasna is an official with the UN's Palestinian refugee agency who visited several of the schools yesterday. "I found hundreds of people are fleeing their homes just in the Jabaliya area. There's a lot of fear, a lot of panic. You can see it with the children too," he said. "We are talking about Gaza as a very tiny area. Where do they go? We are talking about very poor areas. People arrive without anything. We are providing them with mattresses, blankets and certain amounts of food. We try and give families privacy where the schools are not too crowded. But there are huge numbers coming in some areas."

you are a bad person for excusing israel's indiscriminate killing of civilians.

[M.Dancer]

gaza is one of the most densely populated areas of the world.

No it isn't...not even half a dense as Manhatten...calcutta....very rarely do really dense areas have...umm pasture land, olive groves....farms....

[dub]

No it isn't...not even half a dense as Manhatten...calcutta....very rarely do really dense areas have...umm pasture land, olive groves....farms....

yes it is. you're wrong again.

Gaza Strip: Population

Gaza, one of the most densely populated tracts of land in the world, is home to about 1.3m Palestinians, about 33% of whom live in United Nations-funded refugee camps.

[KrustyKidd]

No it isn't...not even half a dense as Manhatten...calcutta....very rarely do really dense areas have...umm pasture land, olive groves....farms....

And when not provoking Israel to conduct operations to stop rocket attacks, Hamas and Fatah lob rpg rounds at each other amidst their precious civilians.

[DogOnPorch]

gaza is one of the most densely populated areas of the world. not only did israel trap the gazans by closing all the borders but they also hit a UN school building where hundreds of civilians were taking refuge.

Gaza Strip on Google Maps

I would have led the civilians to bomb shelters built here. Unlike your pally-os, Hamas, who let them be exposed to IDF gunfire in hopes of racking up some good ol' civilian KIA.

Edited April 15, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[dub]

Gaza Strip on Google Maps

I would have led the civilians to bomb shelters built here. Unlike your pally-os, Hamas, who let them be exposed to IDF gunfire in hopes of racking up some good ol' civilian KIA.

yeah man! why are all the fingers pointing at israel?! it was totally hamas who was at fault for israel bombing the civilians.

you are ridiculous.

[M.Dancer]

it was totally hamas who was at fault for israel bombing the civilians.

Agreed. All civilan losses are the responisbility of the instigator

[DogOnPorch]

yeah man! why are all the fingers pointing at israel?! it was totally hamas who was at fault for israel bombing the civilians.

Now you're getting it.

i am you are ridiculous.

As M.Dancer says...fixed it fer yah.

[dub]

Agreed. All civilan losses are the responisbility of the instigator

you mean when hamas or other groups send rockets into civilian areas, they are not responsible and it's israel's fault because they instigated the situation by closing gaza's border? or they instigated it by controlling their borders, sea and airspace? or they instigated it because of the increasing of the illegal settlements? or they instigated it by doing targeted killings? or they instigated it by restricting movement?

i don't agree with you on this. both hamas and israel should be held responsible for their actions because at the end, they're the ones pressing the trigger buttons.

international law agrees with this.