jdobbin Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Posted March 12, 2009 I believe Riddell was a failed candidate who had a dispute with the Conservative Party. And Harper lost that lawsuit. Governments occasionally have disputes with other governmental bodies which require the courts to interpret the law. That is a far cry from sueing people personally, as you suggested in your earlier post. I don't disagree. However, it has been noted that Harper goes to court when he can't act unilaterally. He has lost that battle many times. So then, Harper has not sued anyone unssucesfully, nor has the Tory party made a habit of sueing people. No, they use lawsuits to shut down debate at crucial times since the Ethics Commissioner says MPs involved must stay away from the issue till it is dealt with by the court. Quote
capricorn Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 other than you reading this 'war room' appointment notice in Ezra Levant's blog... is there confirmation elsewhere? Hey, if the Red Rag says Kinsella was selected to head the Liberal war room, there must be something to it. Ignatieff inner circle choices raise questions---- Liberal spin-doctor Warren Kinsella will head the party war room in the next election, hoping to repeat his successes in Dalton McGuinty's 2003 and 2007 elections campaigns. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/564254 Confirmation is offered every time Kinsella appears as a pundit on media talk shows such as CTV's Power Play. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
waldo Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Hey, if the Red Rag says Kinsella was selected to head the Liberal war room, there must be something to it.http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/564254 Confirmation is offered every time Kinsella appears as a pundit on media talk shows such as CTV's Power Play. Seems to be just a January Canadian Press reference recycled... everywhere. Thanks for the update - I did not realize Tim Powers would be heading up the Conservative 'war room'. Now... Kinsella's got the experience - had a couple of kicks at it in the past. My gawd, he's written a book titled "The War Room", but I've not read him personally acknowledge the assignment for the "next one". Really... is your Red Rag slag... a proof? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Seems to be just a January Canadian Press reference recycled... everywhere. Thanks for the update - I did not realize Tim Powers would be heading up the Conservative 'war room'.Now... Kinsella's got the experience - had a couple of kicks at it in the past. My gawd, he's written a book titled "The War Room", but I've not read him personally acknowledge the assignment for the "next one". Really... is your Red Rag slag... a proof? Let him take his war room book and the art of war mentality and have our judges and lawyers have a wack at him...He wants to see litigative process Canadain style - He's in for a ride that will wear him out like an old shoe...and he will be lucky to leave with a whole pair...if you know what I mean - Litigative non-sense is for losers and rich lawyers who need to keep occupied and pass the cash around - I doubt that he's in the loop and the higher courts are at their core very conservative unless it suits them to be expediantly liberal. Quote
Alexandra Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...10?hub=PoliticsWonder how fast we will hear an apology. As fast as Kinsella has withdrawn or not proceeded with all of the lawsuits he has threatened in just a few short years. Of course the $5Million libel suit he just filed against Ezra Levant is one of his more ridiculously looney flights of fancy. The attempts to discredit both Kathy Shaidle and Kate McMillan he involved himself in with the jewish groups one of which turned around to bite him is just one of his now very public humiliations and, for him, unwanted publicity. Again. One of his recent mistakes was to threaten one of the most read blogging women in Canada-USA and after receiving such a smack-down he still tries his 'catty' little digs whereupon he receives another not too subtle slap up the side of his head from this very astute young Miss. Kinsella has so many lawsuit balls in the air at any one time it must be difficult for him to figure out which one he must withdraw or make apologies for. Dobbin, get with the gossip! ` Quote
jdobbin Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Posted March 13, 2009 As fast as Kinsella has withdrawn or not proceeded with all of the lawsuits he has threatened in just a few short years. Of course the $5Million libel suit he just filed against Ezra Levant is one of his more ridiculously looney flights of fancy. As I said, lawsuitsd are often used to shut down debate. Harper has used it a few times. I suspect Kinsella does it as well. Quote
Argus Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 As I said, lawsuitsd are often used to shut down debate. Harper has used it a few times. I suspect Kinsella does it as well. And yet, you can't seem to find or cite any of those times... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 And Harper lost that lawsuit. Harper didn't launch any lawsuit. Riddell sued the Conservative Party. I don't disagree. However, it has been noted that Harper goes to court when he can't act unilaterally. He has lost that battle many times. You have not yet cited a single instance where Harper - as opposed to the government - has gone to court over anything and lost. The only legal issue I can recall is the suit over the Cadman bribery charges, which was settled by both parties. In your mind, perhaps that qualifies as "he has lost many times" but not in anyone with less bias in their minds. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Posted March 13, 2009 And yet, you can't seem to find or cite any of those times... I believe I have said Harper and the Harper government have gone to court numerous times, not just him personally. It has been commented on here and by legal analysts about how the courts have been used more and more for the government and MP not to be able to comment on various issues. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Posted March 13, 2009 Harper didn't launch any lawsuit. Riddell sued the Conservative Party. This was after Conservative party lawyers at Harper's behest appealed to Elections Canada, a quasi judicial body to rule that the deal with the Riddell was legal. When word got out that they did that, they denied there was a deal and reneged on the deal. Riddell went to appeals court with the legal recognition that he had a deal by Elections Canada. The court looked like it was about to uphold that decision when the Harper Tories settled. You have not yet cited a single instance where Harper - as opposed to the government - has gone to court over anything and lost. The only legal issue I can recall is the suit over the Cadman bribery charges, which was settled by both parties. In your mind, perhaps that qualifies as "he has lost many times" but not in anyone with less bias in their minds. Think I have made clear that I am not just referring to Harper himself but the many times his government has gone to court in areas where he wanted to act unilaterally. You have tried to frame it as simple personal lawsuits but that is not what I wrote and you know it. Quote
Argus Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 I believe I have said Harper and the Harper government have gone to court numerous times, not just him personally.It has been commented on here and by legal analysts about how the courts have been used more and more for the government and MP not to be able to comment on various issues. No, you didn't. You cited it as a tory tactic, and said Harper has lost numerous lawsuits. Government is constantly involved in a variety of legal confrontations with a wide variety of people, organizations and other govenrments. That doesn't normally qualify as a political issue. I've seen nothing to suggest the Tory government is any more prone to sueing people than the former Liberal government. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 Think I have made clear that I am not just referring to Harper himself but the many times his government has gone to court in areas where he wanted to act unilaterally. You have tried to frame it as simple personal lawsuits but that is not what I wrote and you know it. Harper has used the courts as well to sue for everything and anything. In many cases he has lost. Gee, I wonder how I could have considered you meant personal lawsuits from the above. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Harper has used the courts as well to sue for everything and anything. In many cases he has lost.Gee, I wonder how I could have considered you meant personal lawsuits from the above. I don't know. Perhaps it is because you assumed and overlooked that I have written on the subject a few times here about how Harper has used lawsuits repeatedly to shut down his critics. I don't think I have ever distinguished between personal lawsuits and those that have been initiated by him as PM. They have both been done to achieve unilateral actions on his part or to shut down discussion. Edited March 15, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
jdobbin Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Posted March 15, 2009 No, you didn't. You cited it as a tory tactic, and said Harper has lost numerous lawsuits. Government is constantly involved in a variety of legal confrontations with a wide variety of people, organizations and other govenrments. That doesn't normally qualify as a political issue. However, Harper has used it for political purposes and it has been commented on by the Globe as well as other media and referenced here. I have never distinguished between Harper's personal lawsuits and that of him as PM. I totally realize that there are lawsuit government are involved that are simply legal disputes. It is not those that I am questioning. It is the lawsuits that Harper has initiated to act politically that I am commenting on and it is what other analysts have mentioned as well. I've seen nothing to suggest the Tory government is any more prone to sueing people than the former Liberal government. I have no data on that one way or the other. My comments are based on past discussions here and from news articles about Harper lawsuits and how they have affected debate in the House. And that is all new since the Ethics Commissioner had never said in the past that Parliamentary debate could be so affected. Quote
Argus Posted March 15, 2009 Report Posted March 15, 2009 However, Harper has used it for political purposes and it has been commented on by the Globe as well as other media and referenced here.I have never distinguished between Harper's personal lawsuits and that of him as PM. I totally realize that there are lawsuit government are involved that are simply legal disputes. It is not those that I am questioning. It is the lawsuits that Harper has initiated to act politically that I am commenting on and it is what other analysts have mentioned as well. And yet, you are still unable to give me a list of these "many" political lawsuits Harper has launched and lost. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Posted March 15, 2009 And yet, you are still unable to give me a list of these "many" political lawsuits Harper has launched and lost. I have and you ignored them. Quote
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