Plans to Close Prison Farms Taking Heat.

[blueblood]

I would like to see that factory..

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Whoops wrong country, that would be Pakistan.

...In Pakistan, several sweatshops, including ones run by Nike, Reebok, and other corporations...

However they did exist, but now no children (supposedly) work there.

My point is that, I'd rather see our prisoners working in those type of factories first. I think the freight savings would be huge.

I have nothing against foreign investment, however for jobs like that, we may as well use our skids for the extreme low price as part of the payment of their debt to society.

[M.Dancer]

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Whoops wrong country, that would be Pakistan.

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They looked like they were doing menial labour...I want to see the factiry where and I quote:

Why are prisoners making children in Bangledesh?

I imagine the first offence if 5 years and the second offence is one year, three time losers don't get to go at all...

[Oleg Bach]

That's a huge mistake...for a prisoner to partake of the land, grounds and educates him. What ever happened to the term "correctional institution" - Prison farms are correctional...are we to replace them with only punitive institutions? Perhaps privatize them and have the same results as what took place in the states. Two judges taking bribes and giving longer sentences to young offenders --- profiting some parasitic investor in human suffering? I remember as a wild young man spending a few days in the ancient Don Jail in Toronto..yes the old dungeon - It was staffed by noble Scottish keeper-- they dressed you in white and protected you from the out side world that at times gets very crimminal..

[Oleg Bach]

That's a huge mistake...for a prisoner to partake of the land, grounds and educates him. What ever happened to the term "correctional institution" - Prison farms are correctional...are we to replace them with only punitive institutions? Perhaps privatize them and have the same results as what took place in the states. Two judges taking bribes and giving longer sentences to young offenders --- profiting some parasitic investor in human suffering? I remember as a wild young man spending a few days in the ancient Don Jail in Toronto..yes the old dungeon - It was staffed by noble Scottish keeper-- they dressed you in white and protected you from the out side world that at times gets very crimminal..

Sup: You can not call these moves right wing ideologies - it's more like no wings...and there is no Clarence to ring a bell for them. It's incorrect to refere to such measures are right wing...there are the selfish thoughts of renegade profiteers perhaps? The right wing does what is right...shutting down a system that is helpfull is not a good idea...I just wonder what they want to do with the eccess prisoners after such closings..that's the question ---- maybe build a super jail and award a fat contract to someone?

[Shakeyhands]

PT, please tell me how it is that you consider yourself a tory. You walk and talk like a socialist. I'm pretty sure you vote NDP, which would be fine, but at least have the gumption to call yourself what you are instead of pretending. You hate Harper and criticize everything his government does, just like Jack.

LOL'ering. Funny post.

[Progressive Tory]

That's a huge mistake...for a prisoner to partake of the land, grounds and educates him. What ever happened to the term "correctional institution" - Prison farms are correctional...are we to replace them with only punitive institutions? Perhaps privatize them and have the same results as what took place in the states.

I believe part of the new Conservative law and order plan, includes private, for profit prisons. A huge mistake because they will not be 'correctional', but strictly 'penal'. Longer sentences mean more cha-ching and early parole will only cut into their profit margin.

If Kingston's prisons go profit, I will no longer feel safe, because public safety will not be a concern - just the bottom line.

Our neighbourhood farm is on prime property. It will not be farmed, it will be developed. I hate it.

[Progressive Tory]

I just wonder what they want to do with the eccess prisoners after such closings..that's the question ---- maybe build a super jail and award a fat contract to someone?

I think we'll see private prisons. Ontario tried it once under our Conservative gov't and it failed. Harper has hired the engineer of the plan.

"Ontario's five-year experiment with the concept, launched with much fanfare in 2001 by Robert Sampson–at the time the law-and-order Tory correctional services minister–ended amid revelations of flawed security, inadequate prisoner health care, and higher reoffending rates once the privately housed inmates were let back out into the world.

Today, Sampson has secured a gig with the Stephen Harper Conservatives leading a federal panel reviewing Canada's prison system. Its mandate includes finding "opportunities for savings including through physical plant realignment and infrastructure renewal"."

Private prison operators waiting to cash in on Harper policies

"Instead, they are expected to argue (despite a growing body of evidence to the contrary) that private prisons are cheaper and then to call on their private sector friends to build and operate them. This approach fits with the strong pro-privatization ideology of the Harper government ... But the cost to taxpayers will likely be steep in the long run.

In the case of prisons, privatization may spare Ottawa the need to make large capital investments in new prisons. However, if the U.S. experience is any guide, the ultimate cost will be great. Private prison operators eventually get back all the money they spend initially, plus profits that are paid for in perpetuity by the public treasury.

Moreover, private prisons have no incentive to rehabilitate prisoners because they make the most money when cell blocks are full. Private institutions also feature higher rates of recidivism, incidents among inmates and higher staff turnover."

[joni]

I find the suggestion by the federal bureaucracy that nothing of value is learned on prison farms to be somewhat far-fetched. Agriculture is Canada's second largest industry, and if it is to remain that way it needs to be supported and encouraged at all levels. Today's farmer, as yesterday's, is a highly productive member of society, and to deem that his or her skills are of little importance can be answered at the dinner tables of the nation. The proposal to close the prison farms also removes the vital supply of food throughout the Canadian prison system, and provides the ex-inmate with skills in animal husbandry, machine operation, including repairs, composting systems (Joyceville), and greenhouse operation skills, all of which will become more and more important to the new (not recovered) economy in all parts of the world. Shame on these ole boys, who think they can make decisions on matters of which they have little or no knowledge at all.

farmerjoan

[M.Dancer]

Agriculture is Canada's second largest industry....

Ummmn no.

GDP - composition by sector:

agriculture: 2%

industry: 28.4%

services: 69.6% (2008 est.)

Labor force - by occupation:

agriculture 2%, manufacturing 13%, construction 6%, services 76%, other 3% (2006)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...os/ca.html#Econ

[DrGreenthumb]

Ummmn no.

GDP - composition by sector:

agriculture: 2%

industry: 28.4%

services: 69.6% (2008 est.)

Labor force - by occupation:

agriculture 2%, manufacturing 13%, construction 6%, services 76%, other 3% (2006)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...os/ca.html#Econ

Better watch out if you print facts like that soon you will be being accused of being bigoted against the poor farmers.

[blueblood]

Ummmn no.

GDP - composition by sector:

agriculture: 2%

industry: 28.4%

services: 69.6% (2008 est.)

Labor force - by occupation:

agriculture 2%, manufacturing 13%, construction 6%, services 76%, other 3% (2006)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...os/ca.html#Econ

I think she's referring to this...

The Canadian agricultural and agri-food sector is the 3rd largest employer in Canada, provides 1/7 jobs

The agri-food sector generates about 6% of Canada’s GDP

The 2001 Census of Agriculture reported over 246,923 farms, with over 346,200 farm operators

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